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Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Toph Bei Fong posted:

I really enjoyed hbomberguy's video on Sherlock and why it's bad: the whole appeal of the Conan Doyle Sherlock stories is that they're self-contained, they teach you things, and they involve mysteries that you, the reader, can possibly put together and enjoy having your guess confirmed at the end of the story.
He's wrong there though because a lot of them, including some of the very famous ones, aren't fair play mysteries.

People talk about the resolution of Holmes' return being an insult to the Sherlock's audience but to me it wasn't half as bad as the other mystery in that episode.

An expert on the London Underground posted:

The last train on the Friday night, Westminster station, and this man gets into the last car...the only passenger. And the car is empty at St James’s Park station. Explain that, Mr Holmes. There’s nowhere he could go. It’s a straight run on the District Line between the two stations. There’s no side tunnels, no maintenance tunnels – nothing on any map. Nothing. The train never stops, and the man vanishes.
(the driver of the train has also vanished and so cannot be asked)

The resolution? The expert was wrong and there was somewhere in between. He even has a map of it.

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SteelMentor
Oct 15, 2012

TOXIC

Jamie Faith posted:

So far they're dealing with the fake woke stuff much better in their Picard vid then in previous vids. As we all know, they can be kinda clumsy and unclear when they call out cynical corporate attempts at being woke to the point where some people think the RLM guys are chuds. In the Picard review, RLM is straight up yelling at the creators to make Picard gay ("Do it you cowards!") instead of making some minor "safe" character gay. Glad to see they're getting better at this stuff. :unsmith:

Just got to this bit in the video and also genuinely relieved they're getting better at expressing frustration with the whole fake woke stuff for it's hollowness and hypocrisy, rather than acting dismissive and setting off the CHUD whistles. Really put me off their videos in the past.

Also jfc what the hell is this show and who was it meant to appeal to. RLM have explained the plot 10 times now and I still don't get it in the slightest, an ouroboros of half-baked ideas and character assassination on a mass scale. The modern Trek obsession with being as pointlessly cynical and dark as possible is just... mind boggling :psyduck:

Bar Crow
Oct 10, 2012

SteelMentor posted:

Also jfc what the hell is this show and who was it meant to appeal to. RLM have explained the plot 10 times now and I still don't get it in the slightest, an ouroboros of half-baked ideas and character assassination on a mass scale. The modern Trek obsession with being as pointlessly cynical and dark as possible is just... mind boggling :psyduck:

Alex Kurtzman is the real clonus horror.

Unlucky7
Jul 11, 2006

Fallen Rib
I never watched Sherlock when it was on, so when I saw a “mind palace” scene for the first time I thought it was the prestige TV equivalent of a poo poo post. Did people really take that seriously back when it was hot?

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Unlucky7 posted:

I never watched Sherlock when it was on, so when I saw a “mind palace” scene for the first time I thought it was the prestige TV equivalent of a poo poo post. Did people really take that seriously back when it was hot?

It started out as a neat augmented-reality type thing where you could see the clues he was noticing and then ramped up to the full-blown LIBERTY INDIANA HOUND bullshit, and people were still willing to forgive the show for the increasingly less occasional excess.

Mr.Radar
Nov 5, 2005

You guys aren't going to believe this, but that guy is our games teacher.

SteelMentor posted:

Also jfc what the hell is this show and who was it meant to appeal to. RLM have explained the plot 10 times now and I still don't get it in the slightest, an ouroboros of half-baked ideas and character assassination on a mass scale. The modern Trek obsession with being as pointlessly cynical and dark as possible is just... mind boggling :psyduck:

Seriously. I'm sure the upcoming Section 31 series will show the best side of humanity, though :shepicide:

Jamie Faith
Jan 13, 2020

SteelMentor posted:

Just got to this bit in the video and also genuinely relieved they're getting better at expressing frustration with the whole fake woke stuff for it's hollowness and hypocrisy, rather than acting dismissive and setting off the CHUD whistles. Really put me off their videos in the past.

Yeah! I 1000% agree. I actually kinda stopped watching them for a while. This reminds me I have a lot of BotW to catch up on! :unsmith:

Jamie Faith
Jan 13, 2020

Edit: You know what? Nevermind, who gives a poo poo

Jamie Faith fucked around with this message at 07:52 on May 19, 2020

Alaois
Feb 7, 2012

the Sherlock Holmes video game Sherlock Holmes Crimes and Punishments does the mind palace thing better than the tv show itself does by giving you a menu of floating clues that you put together to create brain synapses which, as you collect more and more evidence, branch off toward different conclusions until you have enough synapses that go together that lead toward a final conclusion of the case. because the game lets you visualize how these theories connect to one another, and since you can switch between them to see how different interpretations of the evidence can lead to different conclusions, it actually feels like you're solving a mystery

the game also lets you pick an ending where Holmes is complicit in allowing a group of radical socialists to bomb the London Stock Exchange because he agrees with their ideology so that's pretty cool

Neddy Seagoon
Oct 12, 2012

"Hi Everybody!"

SteelMentor posted:

Just got to this bit in the video and also genuinely relieved they're getting better at expressing frustration with the whole fake woke stuff for it's hollowness and hypocrisy, rather than acting dismissive and setting off the CHUD whistles. Really put me off their videos in the past.

Also jfc what the hell is this show and who was it meant to appeal to. RLM have explained the plot 10 times now and I still don't get it in the slightest, an ouroboros of half-baked ideas and character assassination on a mass scale. The modern Trek obsession with being as pointlessly cynical and dark as possible is just... mind boggling :psyduck:

I can tell you exactly what's wrong with Picard, because it's very obvious once the shoe drops late in the season;

It's ripping off Mass Effect's plot, verbatim. It even ends on a setup that points right towards ripping off Mass Effect 2's for the following season.

Terrible Opinions
Oct 18, 2013



Sherlock's biggest problem is that the RDJ movies have strengths and failings in all the same areas but are just overall better media.

josh04
Oct 19, 2008


"THE FLASH IS THE REASON
TO RACE TO THE THEATRES"

This title contains sponsored content.

The Sherlock tv series does not receive enough credit, amongst other things, for actively advocating for Rupert Murdoch to be shot. Did Robert Downey Jr.'s films have Rupert Murdoch shot? No.

Calico Heart
Mar 22, 2012

"wich the worst part was what troll face did to sonic's corpse after words wich was rape it. at that point i looked away"



Alaois posted:

the Sherlock Holmes video game Sherlock Holmes Crimes and Punishments does the mind palace thing better than the tv show itself does by giving you a menu of floating clues that you put together to create brain synapses which, as you collect more and more evidence, branch off toward different conclusions until you have enough synapses that go together that lead toward a final conclusion of the case. because the game lets you visualize how these theories connect to one another, and since you can switch between them to see how different interpretations of the evidence can lead to different conclusions, it actually feels like you're solving a mystery

the game also lets you pick an ending where Holmes is complicit in allowing a group of radical socialists to bomb the London Stock Exchange because he agrees with their ideology so that's pretty cool

game sounds neat

Inspector Gesicht
Oct 26, 2012

500 Zeus a body.


Calico Heart posted:

game sounds neat

Decent game. Don't play the sequel. It's probably one of the worst games ever made. At one point Holmes imagines he's navigating a mayan pyramid complete with death-traps. Despite this being in his head it is possible to die here, somehow.

CmdrKing
Oct 14, 2012

Maybe if I called it 'Interpretive Stabbing'...
Todd covers the hot new song of the lockdown, a viral tiktok sensation from hot newcomer *checks notes*... Drake
https://youtu.be/qU9iPQW1rLI

Calico Heart
Mar 22, 2012

"wich the worst part was what troll face did to sonic's corpse after words wich was rape it. at that point i looked away"



Inspector Gesicht posted:

Decent game. Don't play the sequel. It's probably one of the worst games ever made. At one point Holmes imagines he's navigating a mayan pyramid complete with death-traps. Despite this being in his head it is possible to die here, somehow.

game sounds neat

Nuns with Guns
Jul 23, 2010

It's fine.
Don't worry about it.

Terrible Opinions posted:

Sherlock's biggest problem is that the RDJ movies have strengths and failings in all the same areas but are just overall better media.

Ha, I was about to say the Mind Palace analytical stuff is in the Guy Ritchie movies, too, and way better:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLuhWLNqpiA&t=117s

Unlike a lot of the Sherlock ones you get a slo-mo breakdown of how quickly Holmes can analyze a scene and come to a conclusion while following his reasoning the whole way, while in Sherlock you mostly see a lot of graphics shooting around a twitching Benedict Cumberbatch.

Nuns with Guns fucked around with this message at 13:59 on May 19, 2020

Max Wilco
Jan 23, 2012

I'm just trying to go through life without looking stupid.

It's not working out too well...

Inspector Gesicht posted:

Decent game. Don't play the sequel. It's probably one of the worst games ever made. At one point Holmes imagines he's navigating a mayan pyramid complete with death-traps. Despite this being in his head it is possible to die here, somehow.

By the sequel, do you mean The Devil's Daughter? I remember seeing that on sale recently, but forgot to pick it up.

A Sometimes Food
Dec 8, 2010

Max Wilco posted:

By the sequel, do you mean The Devil's Daughter? I remember seeing that on sale recently, but forgot to pick it up.

Yeah it's bad, which is a shame cause Crime & Punishments is one of the best Holmes things I can think of.

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

Nuns with Guns posted:

Ha, I was about to say the Mind Palace analytical stuff is in the Guy Ritchie movies, too, and way better:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLuhWLNqpiA&t=117s

Unlike a lot of the Sherlock ones you get a slo-mo breakdown of how quickly Holmes can analyze a scene and come to a conclusion while following his reasoning the whole way, while in Sherlock you mostly see a lot of graphics shooting around a twitching Benedict Cumberbatch.

The Guy Ritchie movies and, shockingly, that Elementary show that was on for a while, were both really good at showing Sherlock as a master of deduction while avoiding 'I walked into the room and instantly realized the painting on the left wall was fake because fifty years ago this obscure painting by this never heard from artist was done in springtime, meaning this tiny winter owl painted in the corner couldn't have been out, ergo the butler did the murder' nonsense.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."
The second Guy Ritchie film also has a lot of fun playing around with the mind vision scanning stuff. The first time in a fight it gets used normally, the second time something unexpected happens and it invalidates a lot of stuff, and in the third bit Moriarty butts in and the whole fight takes place as a hypothetical between the two.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-U0KlXwNsCk

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

Mr.Radar posted:

Seriously. I'm sure the upcoming Section 31 series will show the best side of humanity, though :shepicide:

Only the hardest of people making the hardest of decisions. In space. Neelix will be their top operator, re-imagined now a James Bond-style thuggish lothario who drowns the scars for what he's done to keep your prosperous Federation afloat that he's not even a member of with Saurian brandy and one-night stands. His partner will be a bisexual woman who only ever talks about dating women in the past and is never actually shown doing so. Six seasons and a movie.

Bakeneko
Jan 9, 2007

Dawgstar posted:

Only the hardest of people making the hardest of decisions. In space. Neelix will be their top operator, re-imagined now a James Bond-style thuggish lothario who drowns the scars for what he's done to keep your prosperous Federation afloat that he's not even a member of with Saurian brandy and one-night stands. His partner will be a bisexual woman who only ever talks about dating women in the past and is never actually shown doing so. Six seasons and a movie.

Sounds like a way more interesting Neelix than the one we got.

Bonaventure
Jun 23, 2005

by sebmojo
Neelix was the first positive portrayal of a pedophile in media NOT played by Gerard Depardieu

marathon Stairmaster sesh
Apr 28, 2009

ALL HAIL CEO NUGGET
1988-PRESENT

The head of Section 31 goes "oh goddamnit Nelix got another double agent pregnant" as Nelix walks in firing akimbo phasers set to stun everywhere.

Laugh track; Rich Evans and Mike finally die inside when they cover Star Trek Online.

Calico Heart
Mar 22, 2012

"wich the worst part was what troll face did to sonic's corpse after words wich was rape it. at that point i looked away"



So just watched the Picard review

IMO, this felt like one of RLM's most muddled reviews so far. Previously, there was at least a sense of fun and reverly in whatever awful media it was they were reviewing. As someone who has never seen more than the odd Trek episode, I enjoyed his Trek reviews quite a bit. This time I didn't really know what the plot of the show was, how it contradicted past lore, and after 90 minutes don't feel like a sound conclusion was even reached on "why thing bad".

To be fair, that may reflect the show itself - a boring product made only to sell subscriptions. But then, why spend the time reviewing it anyway?

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

marathon Stairmaster sesh posted:

Laugh track; Rich Evans and Mike finally die inside when they cover Star Trek Online.

Bonus points if they just read STO's chat, which is like Plinkett but un-ironic.

Archer666
Dec 27, 2008
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEaIRbR2EXk

Matt and one of the best wrestling bois takes on the rise and fall of WCW.

Sydin
Oct 29, 2011

Another spring commute

Calico Heart posted:

So just watched the Picard review

IMO, this felt like one of RLM's most muddled reviews so far. Previously, there was at least a sense of fun and reverly in whatever awful media it was they were reviewing. As someone who has never seen more than the odd Trek episode, I enjoyed his Trek reviews quite a bit. This time I didn't really know what the plot of the show was, how it contradicted past lore, and after 90 minutes don't feel like a sound conclusion was even reached on "why thing bad".

To be fair, that may reflect the show itself - a boring product made only to sell subscriptions. But then, why spend the time reviewing it anyway?

I haven't watched the Plinkett review yet but I did watch Mike and Rich's episode reviews when the show was first coming out, and it became very clear very quick that neither of them were finding any enjoyment in the show. Like by the second video it was clear Rich just wanted to drop the drat thing and move on to media he actually enjoys, and Mike seemed personally offended with how the show handles Star Trek. I disagree with his assertion that Star Trek has to be clean and hopeful and optimistic - I think in the hands of a skilled writer Star Trek could be anything - but Kurtzman is not a skilled writer and so you have a show that runs counter to how Mike fundamentally thinks Star Trek should be, and also does it terribly.

So yeah I'm not surprised it comes off more as an unfunny meandering rant than poking the prequels with a stick.

Code Jockey
Jan 24, 2006

69420 basic bytes free

CmdrKing posted:

Todd covers the hot new song of the lockdown, a viral tiktok sensation from hot newcomer *checks notes*... Drake
https://youtu.be/qU9iPQW1rLI

drake being on tiktok sounds like something the authorities should be aware of

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

Sydin posted:

I haven't watched the Plinkett review yet but I did watch Mike and Rich's episode reviews when the show was first coming out, and it became very clear very quick that neither of them were finding any enjoyment in the show. Like by the second video it was clear Rich just wanted to drop the drat thing and move on to media he actually enjoys, and Mike seemed personally offended with how the show handles Star Trek. I disagree with his assertion that Star Trek has to be clean and hopeful and optimistic - I think in the hands of a skilled writer Star Trek could be anything - but Kurtzman is not a skilled writer and so you have a show that runs counter to how Mike fundamentally thinks Star Trek should be, and also does it terribly.

The bit about optimism makes me wonder what Mike thinks of DS9 which decidedly wasn't after a while. And that's ignoring the Section 31 stuff which was too far in the other direction and kinda dumb.

Spark That Bled
Jan 29, 2010

Hungry for responsibility. Horny for teamwork.

And ready to
BUST A NUT
up in this job!

Skills include:
EIGHT-FOOT VERTICAL LEAP


Apologies, but I have to mention that this video is apparently blocked in my country on copyright grounds by ITV.

I live in England, where ITV and this show originates.

Yvonmukluk
Oct 10, 2012

Everything is Sinister


Spark That Bled posted:

Apologies, but I have to mention that this video is apparently blocked in my country on copyright grounds by ITV.

I live in England, where ITV and this show originates.

Well, it's not actually ITV's youtube channel, so...that makes sense?

Babysitter Super Sleuth
Apr 26, 2012

my posts are as bad the Current Releases review of Gone Girl

The RDJ Sherlock movies are the best Sherlock media, because they’re the only ones outside of Doyle’s original stories that actually realize that Sherlock Holmes is goofy pulp trash more interested in entertaining an audience with ridiculous mondo nonsense, instead of some faux-intellectual tripe for people too insecure to read Agatha Christie. I blame basil rathbone for this, personally.

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?

Dawgstar posted:

The bit about optimism makes me wonder what Mike thinks of DS9 which decidedly wasn't after a while. And that's ignoring the Section 31 stuff which was too far in the other direction and kinda dumb.

Deep space nine is highly optimistic. One of the main focuses during the Dominion War arc is how you need to hold onto optimism because despair will bring ruin. Episodes where Sisko compromises on Starfleet morality show how damaged he becomes for betraying his ideals.

Babysitter Super Sleuth
Apr 26, 2012

my posts are as bad the Current Releases review of Gone Girl

Arcsquad12 posted:

Deep space nine is highly optimistic. One of the main focuses during the Dominion War arc is how you need to hold onto optimism because despair will bring ruin. Episodes where Sisko compromises on Starfleet morality show how damaged he becomes for betraying his ideals.

Everyone brings up the episode where Sisko lets Garak get away with killing a romulan official because it helps get them into the war against the dominion, but they always miss that the subtext is Sisko compromising his ideals makes him more like Garak, a completely broken, psychotic former spy almost incapable of connecting with people who still engages in apologetics for the fascist government he served because he can’t deal with his actions otherwise.

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

Pants Donkey posted:

I vaguely recall the BSG prequel series and it was...something. Didn’t it die after one season?

Caprica owned bones. It was a sci-fi/conspiracy/soap opera and reveled in it. I wish it had a few more seasons instead of two (well, "one and a half").

SimonChris
Apr 24, 2008

The Baron's daughter is missing, and you are the man to find her. No problem. With your inexhaustible arsenal of hard-boiled similes, there is nothing you can't handle.
Grimey Drawer

Absurd Alhazred posted:

Caprica owned bones. It was a sci-fi/conspiracy/soap opera and reveled in it. I wish it had a few more seasons instead of two (well, "one and a half").

Caprica would have been great as an 8-episode miniseries, but it was just way too long. It was great to see some actual speculative science fiction on tv, though.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:

The RDJ Sherlock movies are the best Sherlock media, because they’re the only ones outside of Doyle’s original stories that actually realize that Sherlock Holmes is goofy pulp trash more interested in entertaining an audience with ridiculous mondo nonsense, instead of some faux-intellectual tripe for people too insecure to read Agatha Christie. I blame basil rathbone for this, personally.

amen to this.


Doctor Spaceman posted:

The second Guy Ritchie film also has a lot of fun playing around with the mind vision scanning stuff. The first time in a fight it gets used normally, the second time something unexpected happens and it invalidates a lot of stuff, and in the third bit Moriarty butts in and the whole fight takes place as a hypothetical between the two.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-U0KlXwNsCk

yeah. i love that scene. those movies are underrated as gently caress.

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Sankara
Jul 18, 2008


They have great soundtracks!

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