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Lawman 0 posted:I mean didn't the neo-assyrians flay their enemies alive and display their skins while they read their poetic celebrating destruction and death? The Assyrians did lots of flaying and stuffing of bodies and poo poo. It used to be interpreted as them just being bloodthirsty barbarians, now nobody thinks that and instead attribute it to imperial policy--this is what happens if you gently caress with us, don't gently caress with us. It's brutal, but it makes sense. They're hardly the only civilization to have used it, the Assyrians seem special IMO because their writing just has this celebratory, gleeful tone where the king is describing how he turned a city he razed into a metal album cover.
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Grand Fromage posted:The Assyrians did lots of flaying and stuffing of bodies and poo poo. I'm legitimately surprised no one has lifted thah poetry for death metal lyrics. 
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Grand Fromage posted:The Assyrians did lots of flaying and stuffing of bodies and poo poo. that and they manage to look really nonchalant and almost bored while choking/stabbing the gently caress out of a lion 
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Oh cool it's in Orcish https://soundcloud.com/soas-university-of-london/incantation-for-dog-bite-read-by-michael-streck
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It's strange that Orcs are always like Mongols or Huns or just generic store brand barbarian and no one has thought of doing Assyrian Orcs.
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Lawman 0 posted:I'm legitimately surprised no one has lifted thah poetry for death metal lyrics. I think I remember reading about an Assyrian or Chaldean Metal band in Iraq like 10 years ago, wonder if they used Neo-Assyrian imagery, this probably would be a bad idea for their safety though. The Game Dominions has Assyrians, except in this game they are Lava Based Humanoids that do blood sacrifice and demons along with really heavy infantry along with fire spells. They steadily dwindle and are replaced by half-human Assyrians as their magic volcano they all were born from goes dormant. The nation is Abysia, they kinda struggle later in a game, but the heavy infantry hit hard early on just by mid-game there are a lot of tools to gently caress them up. Jack2142 fucked around with this message at 02:01 on May 20, 2020 |
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Caeser's legion in new Vegas was so much more like the Assyrians it always confused me that they went all in on the rome thing. I guess the Assyrians just don't have the cultural cachet that the Romans do.
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FreudianSlippers posted:It's strange that Orcs are always like Mongols or Huns or just generic store brand barbarian and no one has thought of doing Assyrian Orcs. Warhammer's Chaos Dwarfs are sort of this, only they have guns and giant artillery pieces. Whorelord fucked around with this message at 02:14 on May 20, 2020 |
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Gaius Marius posted:Caeser's legion in new Vegas was so much more like the Assyrians it always confused me that they went all in on the rome thing. I guess the Assyrians just don't have the cultural cachet that the Romans do. I mean Caesar's Legion is a bunch of Tribals ruled by a warlord uniting them through cargo culting Rome trying to conquer the NCR which represented a rebirth of "ancient" pre-war civilization. I think it was picked due to the entire incongruity of the Romans being the Barbarian Conquerors.
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Gaius Marius posted:Caeser's legion in new Vegas was so much more like the Assyrians it always confused me that they went all in on the rome thing. I guess the Assyrians just don't have the cultural cachet that the Romans do. What did you find Assyrian about them? I was impressed how Roman the Legion was, though since Sawyer is a history dude I assume he was responsible for some of it.
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Gaius Marius posted:Caeser's legion in new Vegas was so much more like the Assyrians it always confused me that they went all in on the rome thing. I guess the Assyrians just don't have the cultural cachet that the Romans do. One of the biggest casinos in Vegas being named Caesars Palace might have something to do with it.
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FuturePastNow posted:One of the biggest casinos in Vegas being named Caesars Palace might have something to do with it. I will contribute to my own derail by mentioning the Legion comes from the original Fallout 3 design document, which took place in Utah, Arizona, Colorado, and New Mexico.
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Grand Fromage posted:What did you find Assyrian about them? I was impressed how Roman the Legion was, though since Sawyer is a history dude I assume he was responsible for some of it. So this is a lot of half remebered things about the Assyrians and I'm probably mixing in a lot of things from Van Buren. That said from what I rember the Assyrians were pretty much but players for a good chunk of their time, then they got some good leaders and some improved technology (they invented boots right?) And manged to use that to campaign every single season. That ability to punch above their weight by leveraging much more of their society into the military seemed similar to caeser using his pre war knowledge to organize the tribe that captured him and eventually crush and absorb the others The over the top level of control through fear is also reminscent of the Assyrians, they flayed people alive, caeser lit them on fire and threw them down the grand Canyon. The biggest hang up with the Rome being compared to the legion though is earlier Roman history is so tied up into the city itself. The legion doesn't have anything comparable. Caeser himself was looking to new Vegas to be his "Rome" but that's like conquering gaul and Hispania and then marching down to Italy to found your legendary city. Part of the problem is how little we actually see of the legion in NV, but it also just doesn't seem to have the same type of actual culture. There's no real public offices to hold or plebs to throw games for, that just doesn't seem very Roman to me. I also just can't imagine the legion lasting for more than a couple of years after casers death. Real rome still has institutions that are carried into the modern day, and the empire itself lasted for centuries after it's founding. I can't see anything other than a full diadochi situation going on after caeser kicks the bucket.
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Grand Fromage posted:I will contribute to my own derail by mentioning the Legion comes from the original Fallout 3 design document, which took place in Utah, Arizona, Colorado, and New Mexico. Supposedly that wasn't even their main force. In van Buren caeser was supposed to have taken the main legion force past the giant tornadoes to the south and into Texas.
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In game Caesar isn't actually Roman, though; obviously. Hes a former Follower, with limited access to prewar history, creating a military dictatorship based on the Roman army as he understands it, because he's convinced the NCR is replicating the failures of the old US, and only military discipline and fear can bring about unity. He's basically reinvented fascism from first principles. And Caesar's goal, before he dies, is to conquer the NCR and impose that on them. They're going to be his base, his civilian population, his "civilization". Remember, too, he's modeling himself off Julius Caesar, not Romulus. He's left the NCR, and is conquering his "Gaul", and then he plans to take his army and use it to overthrow the Republic and rule in its place. Epicurius fucked around with this message at 05:01 on May 20, 2020 |
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Caesar was a massive dork, hence why he's also a pedant about the pronunciation of his artificially recreated latin and lectures at you about hegelian dialectics. A lot of his atrocities don't exactly seem unlike something that Julius would've done to the Gauls on his campaign (although whether Julius Caesar would've used a dirty radiation bomb if he could've is questionable). It's easy to skim over, but some ancient warfare was just incredibly brutal, and it's not that uncommon to raze villages. Where New Vegas's Caesar really diverges from his weird nerd idol his internal management of the Legion, because he both needed to invent a culture for disparate tribes of the wasteland to unite under and was a sadist who heavily punished people for failure. There's really no other excuse for introducing decimation or setting his longest subordinate on fire and kicking him off a cliff.
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Gaius Marius posted:The biggest hang up with the Rome being compared to the legion though is earlier Roman history is so tied up into the city itself. The legion doesn't have anything comparable. Caeser himself was looking to new Vegas to be his "Rome" but that's like conquering gaul and Hispania and then marching down to Italy to found your legendary city. "Welcome! Is this your first time visiting Constantinople?" But yeah the Legion obviously is not based in Roman institutions, Caesar is basically cargo-culting a distorted version of Roman society in order to state build. In short: Epicurius posted:He's basically reinvented fascism from first principles. PittTheElder fucked around with this message at 05:41 on May 20, 2020 |
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The game is actually very clear about the Legion not surviving past Caesar's death. His desire to "cross the Rubicon" and conquer Vegas is not just for adding territory, but because he knows that his "civilization" is untenable as it is. It's a band of tribes and raider gangs indoctrinated through violence into a cult of personality, with anyone who resists the indoctrination simply being killed and thrown away. While they keep their territory controlled and safe enough, there's nothing deeper actually keeping it together. Lanius specifically is called out for having no talent whatsoever except for warfare, which is hardly suitable to running a state. The extreme violence and oppression is not mere sadism, but because there's nothing really keeping the troops in line except quasi-religious worship of their leader and/or the threat of death for failure. Capturing Vegas, thus, is his giant leap for the Legion by providing them with an existing population and economy to build on and eventually conquer the NCR with. He hopes that with so much territory and infrastructure under Legion control, he can finally succumb to cancer knowing that a possibility for continuation beyond him exists. Without the Courier's direct aid, the Legion would inevitably fall to squabbling warlords and dissolve into a power struggle right back to the tribes they once were.
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Jack2142 posted:I think I remember reading about an Assyrian or Chaldean Metal band in Iraq like 10 years ago, wonder if they used Neo-Assyrian imagery, this probably would be a bad idea for their safety though. Acrassicauda?
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chitoryu12 posted:The game is actually very clear about the Legion not surviving past Caesar's death. His desire to "cross the Rubicon" and conquer Vegas is not just for adding territory, but because he knows that his "civilization" is untenable as it is. It's a band of tribes and raider gangs indoctrinated through violence into a cult of personality, with anyone who resists the indoctrination simply being killed and thrown away. While they keep their territory controlled and safe enough, there's nothing deeper actually keeping it together. Lanius specifically is called out for having no talent whatsoever except for warfare, which is hardly suitable to running a state. The extreme violence and oppression is not mere sadism, but because there's nothing really keeping the troops in line except quasi-religious worship of their leader and/or the threat of death for failure. Yeah, essentially without the Courier the Legion is doomed to an implosion Post-Caesar. Lanius might be able to hold things together just by being such a ruthless bastard for a time, but eventually other legionaries will challenge him for control of the Empire. Every rebellious tribe Lanius exterminates will just continue to weaken the Legion. Even if the Courier sides with the Legion, you are also still setting up a civil war, between Lanius and the Courier for control in the after credits. A huge portion of a Caesar playthrough is realizing that you are being groomed to be the successor, because he knows Lanius isn't capable of keeping the Empire together, especially if they don't capture Vegas. So the legion probably has more in common with the big Native American tribal confederations that came together under charismatic leaders to resist western expansion that fell apart when they died like what happened with Tecumseh. Jack2142 fucked around with this message at 09:53 on May 20, 2020 |
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I’m really bummed to be reminded how good fallout and it’s writing is without bethesda (I believe some of original creators are goons) loving poo poo up with their nonsense
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Arglebargle III posted:Oh cool it's in Orcish https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UlK2Io7vSU&t=160s
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Lawman 0 posted:I mean didn't the neo-assyrians flay their enemies alive and display their skins while they read their poetic celebrating destruction and death? More like Ur-Vogons, ammirite?
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Arglebargle III posted:Thanks to whoever linked that blog series on Sparta that was very good. You might like this then https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMQmU0epVr4 Also deals with the Spartan mirage but seems better researched, as unlike the blog it doesnt uncritically swallow the agoge and eugenics accounts.
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Selected laws of the Messalian polis: 1. Women may not drink wine. 2. Suicide is legal but only by consent of the city council. 3. Mimes are immoral and banned from the city.
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Arglebargle III posted:Selected laws of the Messalian polis: I mean, that last one is just common sense though?
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Loving the audacity of Caesar saying stuff like "He reproached the Romans for the many crimes they had committed" about Gauls who are speaking about crimes Caesar personally oversaw, to an audience who would notice.
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Arglebargle III posted:Loving the audacity of Caesar saying stuff like "He reproached the Romans for the many crimes they had committed" about Gauls who are speaking about crimes Caesar personally oversaw, to an audience who would notice. was caesar or alexander history's greatest chad
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Cæsar was all for the Power Moves. Like that time he was kidnapped as a young man but befriended the kidnappers while constantly joking that once ransomed he'd have them all killed and then doing exactly that
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HEY GUNS posted:was caesar or alexander history's greatest chad
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Caesar would be a hipster if he was alive today Or if he was alive however many years ago hipsters were big
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Arglebargle III posted:Selected laws of the Messalian polis: I love to post this sacred law of the mighty Hittites every two years or so: quote:199. If anyone have intercourse with a pig or a dog, he shall die. If a man have intercourse with a horse or a mule, there is no punishment. But he shall not approach the king, and shall not become a priest. If an ox spring upon a man for intercourse, the ox shall die but the man shall not die. One sheep shall be fetched as a substitute for the man, and they shall kill it. If a pig spring upon a man for intercourse, there is no punishment. If any man have intercourse with a foreign woman and pick up this one, now that one, there is no punishment.
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More from the same translation:quote:187. If a man have intercourse with a cow, it is a capital crime, he shall die. They shall lead him to the king's hall. But the king may kill him, the king may grant him his life. But he shall not approach the king. quote:164. If anyone come for borrowing, then make a quarrel and throw down either bread or wine jug, then he shall give one sheep, ten loaves, and one jug of beer. Then he cleanses his house by the offering. Not until the year has elapsed may he salute again the other's house.
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