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Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

That does look better. Still not enough of a brickhouse for ComicsGate, I'm sure. I dig the bob.

E: Good page snipe, me.

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bessantj
Jul 27, 2004


Open Marriage Night posted:

Are you just talking about the covers? There’s been a bit of contention about the covers being misleading. Either people dismissing it, thinking it’s a cheesecake book. Or, buying it because they think it’s a cheesecake book, and being disappointed. One of the rarer variants of the first issue had Felicia in a bathtub full of milk.

Not that she’s devoid of sexuality or anything. In the book she’s sexy because she’s an attractive person with a strong personality. Some people can’t recognize Black Cat/Catwoman without a zipper down below their navel.

I did think of that so had a look in a couple of comics done by different artists and both of them had a lot of cleavage, the breasts weren't as big as her head but still what I would consider big anyway.

EDIT: Took a look at a random issue (Issue 4 from September last year) and this seems like plenty of cleavage.

fritz posted:

There's some new cartoon in development in which Black Cat is de-aged and wearing a shirt.

This is what they're mad about
https://mobile.twitter.com/twofivezeroone/status/1261126128187641859

Ah right, well that looks like its; for a young kids programme so who cares? Oh yeah, I said something stupid there didn't I.

bessantj fucked around with this message at 14:46 on May 20, 2020

Samovar
Jun 4, 2011

I'm 😤 not a 🦸🏻‍♂️hero...🧜🏻



Frankly, her outfit looks like a combination of her old suit and Archer's tactical turtleneck.

Not, you know, saying it's bad. Just that it's what it looks like.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

bessantj posted:

Ah right, well that looks like its; for a young kids programme so who cares? Oh yeah, I said something stupid there didn't I.

Well, you know, God forbid they find a female cartoon character they can't jerk it to.

Random Stranger
Nov 27, 2009



Vince MechMahon posted:

It's also an early design and she's been changed since and looks just fine on the actual show.



I still don't care for it but it does look better in black than brown.

Note that "don't care for it" means "shrug and not think about it again", not obsess over it and demand it be sexed up 200%.

Yvonmukluk
Oct 10, 2012

Everything is Sinister


Dawgstar posted:

I always thought Spider-Man Loves Mary Jane came in that same wave but it was apparently a few years later.

Man, I haven't thought about that Inhuman series in ages, but then again probably few have.
Well, there were two miniseries (Mary Jane and Mary Jane: Homecoming) that came first, so maybe the first mini was part of that wave?

Wendell posted:

Oh yeah, that looks good. What show IS this?

Marvel's Spider-Man (seriously, that's what it's called, not to be confused with the PS4 game). Must admit I've not really sought it out, since it seems to be in the Dan Slott mold (he goes to Horizon High rather than Midtown, for one thing). I've seen complaints that most of the cast is some flavour of science nerd, which seems kinda boring to me.

Yvonmukluk fucked around with this message at 18:35 on May 20, 2020

Yvonmukluk
Oct 10, 2012

Everything is Sinister


Quote is not edit, folks! Don't make my mistake!

Open Marriage Night
Sep 18, 2009

"Do you want to talk to a spider, Peter?"


Vince MechMahon posted:

It's also an early design and she's been changed since and looks just fine on the actual show.



I like it. Probably should have committed to a belt instead of just a couple pouches and the weird looking panties. I dig the cuffs and collar look.

Makes me happy when super heroes look comfortable in their costumes.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

Yvonmukluk posted:

. I've seen complaints that most of the cast is some flavour of science nerd, which seems kinda boring to me.

I mean that describes most superhero teamups, doesn't it? If you have an Avengers team made up of Iron Man, Giant-Man, Spider-Man, The Hulk, and Captain America, only one of those dudes isn't a science nerd. Even then Captain Britan is absolutely a science nerd.

Discendo Vox
Mar 21, 2013

We don't need to have that dialogue because it's obvious, trivial, and has already been had a thousand times.
It's not a good costume unless they look like they could fall asleep on a couch on a Sunday afternoon in it.

Yvonmukluk
Oct 10, 2012

Everything is Sinister


ImpAtom posted:

I mean that describes most superhero teamups, doesn't it? If you have an Avengers team made up of Iron Man, Giant-Man, Spider-Man, The Hulk, and Captain America, only one of those dudes isn't a science nerd. Even then Captain Britan is absolutely a science nerd.

I think that specific lineup has never been a thing, though, has it? The closest you got was Marvel Adventures (RIP), which also had a bunch of other people to balance out the team. I mean in the MCU, you just had Bruce & Tony. We're talking virtually all of the supporting cast, powered or otherwise.

I'll try and find the video that outlined the arguement.

Internet Wizard
Aug 9, 2009

BANDAIDS DON'T FIX BULLET HOLES

At any given time the Avengers is usually a mix of Science Guy, Veteran, and Hawkeye

Alaois
Feb 7, 2012

Dawgstar posted:

There's also the great scene of Domino in her pajamas:



that page made dickie meyers so mad he cut that issue up with his knife on camera lmao

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

Alaois posted:

that page made dickie meyers so mad he cut that issue up with his knife on camera lmao

Was it on a rant about how he thinks women only wear lingerie to bed?

Alaois
Feb 7, 2012

Dawgstar posted:

Was it on a rant about how he thinks women only wear lingerie to bed?

no it's because the previous page was a big full page of her all sexy and then the gag is the "camera" pulls back and it's an ad for their new riverboat casino that Outlaw and Diamondback are showing her while she's dressed like that and Dickie interpreted that as making fun of anyone who thinks women are attractive or wants to see them drawn sexy or some insane poo poo like that

Nessus
Dec 22, 2003

After a Speaker vote, you may be entitled to a valuable coupon or voucher!



ImpAtom posted:

I mean that describes most superhero teamups, doesn't it? If you have an Avengers team made up of Iron Man, Giant-Man, Spider-Man, The Hulk, and Captain America, only one of those dudes isn't a science nerd. Even then Captain Britan is absolutely a science nerd.
Did they put Brian in the cartoon? You'd think he'd get over with the CG people. :v:

E the Shaggy
Mar 29, 2010
Comicsgate: "If I can't masturbate to a children's television show, I'll do everything in my power to destroy it."

Solenna
Jun 5, 2003

I'd say it was your manifest destiny not to.

Peter in that show looks like a 14 year old holy poo poo, no kidding they're not going for the cleavage spilling out of her top look. Everyone else is drawn and styled in a really non sexualized manner. It would look stupid, like she was imported from a different show for wank material. Instead her costume is adorable and actually makes sense given everyone is in high school.

https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Peter_Parker_(Earth-TRN633)/Gallery

Like, if it was a cartoon where everyone was based on Greg Horn art and she was in that cartoon's costume then it would actually be weird and out of place but seriously context people!

I know the CG context is more sex appeal = better than but it's so frustrating :(

Kchama
Jul 25, 2007

Random Stranger posted:

Is it okay that I don't like either design?

Black Cat's comic book outfit is very 70s so it absolutely needs a redesign. The cartoon one reads as "woman who punches out demons at the south pole" than "cat burglar" to me. Also the split color pants look weird.

I just wanted to let you know that while I disagree with your opinion on the outfit (I like it), I very much appreciate this reference.


Cuz it's true.

RevKrule
Jul 9, 2001

Thrilling the forums since 2001

Tim Seeley finding a good way to get rid of problematic art.

https://twitter.com/HackinTimSeeley/status/1268224636283768833

How Wonderful!
Jul 18, 2006


I only have excellent ideas
Garth Ennis just released the first issue of a news The Boys mini-series which brings back the trans woman character from Highland Laddie, a character who I felt was emblematic of Ennis' clumsy approach to writing about identity and representation. Uh, let's just say he doesn't knock it out of the park. After A Walk Through Hell, which I thought was a pretty honest and nuanced attempt to reckon with some of his past excesses before throwing away most of his good will in the last stretch, it's an unsurprising approach-- there are points where it feels like he's using Hughie as a vehicle for expressing some of his frustrations and confusions but in general it's a middle-aged man whining and moaning that he can't say his favorite slurs anymore. It's a deeply pathetic comic and I kind of feel bad for him that his editor let him put his tantrum to paper like this, because there is some actual pathos and melancholy in Hughie's monologue later on in the issue. I don't know. I'll put some of the relevant stuff behind a spoiler but it's pretty rough. Not egregiously, spitefully offensive but just outdated and petty and kind of dumb.



site
Apr 6, 2007

Trans pride, Worldwide
Bitch
i remember when i said that the monologue where the 'lesbian" protag in a walk through hell complained about social protests was ennis' self-insert and i was told i was wrong and should give him the benefit of the doubt because??

How Wonderful!
Jul 18, 2006


I only have excellent ideas

site posted:

i remember when i said that the monologue where the 'lesbian" protag in a walk through hell complained about social protests was ennis' self-insert and i was told i was wrong and should give him the benefit of the doubt because??

I think I was in the wrong about that one although I'm not sure, I know I soured on it before the ending but I also remember really wanting it to be better than it wound up being.

Lencho
Mar 16, 2012

Why is that there's so many british wankers that have those kind of weird anti-PC stances while not being really chuds?

Air Skwirl
May 13, 2007

Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed shitposting.

Lencho posted:

Why is that there's so many british wankers that have those kind of weird anti-PC stances while not being really chuds?

I think it's a knee-jerk response because a lot of Thatcher esque politics was crouched in always being polite. Like literally stealing the food out of babies mouths but the people protesting it are in the wrong because they said "wanker."

site
Apr 6, 2007

Trans pride, Worldwide
Bitch
they ARE chuds

Kojiro
Aug 11, 2003

LET'S GET TO THE TOP!
We get a LOT of anti-trans stuff in our papers right now because they're all owned by chuds, and the people who read papers are older and often the first they hear about trans people is some loving awful dogshit "they're brainwashing the kids!!!" headline in the Mail, so it's really easy for them to take that onboard vs the slight work it takes to actually engage your brain and think beyond that, or, heaven forbid, actually talking to a trans person

RevKrule
Jul 9, 2001

Thrilling the forums since 2001

While SGM may not be CG, he's definitely shown his colors are beyond "freelance jerk" at this point.

From Tess Fowler
https://twitter.com/TessFowler/status/1268670486776446976?s=20

https://twitter.com/TessFowler/status/1268670487766249473?s=20


From Magdalene Visaggio
https://twitter.com/MagsVisaggs/status/1268699075035136002?s=20

https://twitter.com/MagsVisaggs/status/1268699687785283586?s=20

https://twitter.com/MagsVisaggs/status/1268700637132398592?s=20

ConanThe3rd
Mar 27, 2009

Skwirl posted:

I think it's a knee-jerk response because a lot of Thatcher esque politics was crouched in always being polite. Like literally stealing the food out of babies mouths but the people protesting it are in the wrong because they said "wanker."

From what I am to understand of Thatcherite Politics, the offense was protesting your lot at all (see what happened in the TVAM dispute, where the workers got illegally locked out after the strike and summarily fired) and saying ‘wanker’ just adds 20 to the sentence.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

I would imagine Ennis is most upset about the pushback on being able to say anything he wants 'for a laugh' because in his head it doesn't matter what he says as long as he doesn't believe it. The plea of the 'ironic' <blank>-ist. One other thing I always remember about Ennis is somebody on another board once commented the person Garth looks up to the most in all the world is that one guy at the pub who apparently calcified in the 80's and thus always wears a jean jacket and will tell anybody who listens and even those who don't what's REALLY wrong with this day and age.

How Wonderful!
Jul 18, 2006


I only have excellent ideas

Dawgstar posted:

I would imagine Ennis is most upset about the pushback on being able to say anything he wants 'for a laugh' because in his head it doesn't matter what he says as long as he doesn't believe it. The plea of the 'ironic' <blank>-ist. One other thing I always remember about Ennis is somebody on another board once commented the person Garth looks up to the most in all the world is that one guy at the pub who apparently calcified in the 80's and thus always wears a jean jacket and will tell anybody who listens and even those who don't what's REALLY wrong with this day and age.

"Always wearing a jean jacket and telling anybody who listens about what's REALLY wrong with this day and age" is like every trans woman I know, he should be nicer to us, he's missing out.

Wanderer
Nov 5, 2006

our every move is the new tradition

How Wonderful! posted:

Garth Ennis just released the first issue of a news The Boys mini-series which brings back the trans woman character from Highland Laddie, a character who I felt was emblematic of Ennis' clumsy approach to writing about identity and representation. Uh, let's just say he doesn't knock it out of the park. After A Walk Through Hell, which I thought was a pretty honest and nuanced attempt to reckon with some of his past excesses before throwing away most of his good will in the last stretch, it's an unsurprising approach-- there are points where it feels like he's using Hughie as a vehicle for expressing some of his frustrations and confusions but in general it's a middle-aged man whining and moaning that he can't say his favorite slurs anymore. It's a deeply pathetic comic and I kind of feel bad for him that his editor let him put his tantrum to paper like this, because there is some actual pathos and melancholy in Hughie's monologue later on in the issue. I don't know. I'll put some of the relevant stuff behind a spoiler but it's pretty rough. Not egregiously, spitefully offensive but just outdated and petty and kind of dumb.

There's been a lot of this in his work lately; you mentioned A Walk Through Hell, and it's also a significant part of the mostly-deservedly-ignored Jimmy's Bastards and the less-so Red Team. (Red Team in particular is a book that's about cops but in no way glorifies them, which makes it feel a bit like Ennis writing James Ellroy fanfiction.) There's some of it going back to his old revival of Dan Dare for Virgin Comics, too.

Dawgstar posted:

I would imagine Ennis is most upset about the pushback on being able to say anything he wants 'for a laugh' because in his head it doesn't matter what he says as long as he doesn't believe it. The plea of the 'ironic' <blank>-ist.

I'm admittedly more inclined to be charitable here, but I think it's about half that and half a genuinely-meant point about getting lost in the weeds about relatively small things. I'll admit that I've had similar thoughts about "slacktivism," where people manage to finagle it so they can continue to do Nothing, But Now With Virtue Flavor.

Even so, this particular sequence works as an itemized list of problems Ennis has had with his writing lately, not least of which is that it takes up a surprising amount of the miniseries's finite page space. I wonder if it was written as a hasty filler replacement for what was originally meant to be there, as this book was originally solicited for mid-April and Hughie mentions the coronavirus at one point.

Lencho
Mar 16, 2012

All of these answers make a lot of sense. It's always been weird to me that a lot of the british people spewing this poo poo is surprisingly leftist or at least left-leaning, so I don't really consider them in the same neoconservative/reactionary box as most chuds. gently caress Graham Linehan and J.K. Rowling tho

Kojiro
Aug 11, 2003

LET'S GET TO THE TOP!

Lencho posted:

All of these answers make a lot of sense. It's always been weird to me that a lot of the british people spewing this poo poo is surprisingly leftist or at least left-leaning, so I don't really consider them in the same neoconservative/reactionary box as most chuds. gently caress Graham Linehan and J.K. Rowling tho

A lot of feminist rhetoric has been co-opted by TERFs to make it some kind of "trans women vs cis women" nonsense poo poo. Hence the F in TERF- there's some crafty yet hateful fuckers out there who've managed to make things less intersectional and incite their fellow cis women to start yelling about how trans women are "just men trying to get into our bathrooms", completely ignoring the existence of trans men, etc.

But that's why you see centre-left (emphasis on the centre) celebrities getting on board with it, and it's extra buoyed by the bad papers I mentioned earlier here in the UK.

And yes gently caress Linehan and Rowling. Utter ghouls.

Threep
Apr 1, 2006

It's kind of a long story.
JK Rowling is more critical of anyone who speaks out against injustice than she is of any injustice. A lot of her ilk are like that.

I hesitate to call that performative garbage centre-left.

Nessus
Dec 22, 2003

After a Speaker vote, you may be entitled to a valuable coupon or voucher!



Lencho posted:

All of these answers make a lot of sense. It's always been weird to me that a lot of the british people spewing this poo poo is surprisingly leftist or at least left-leaning, so I don't really consider them in the same neoconservative/reactionary box as most chuds. gently caress Graham Linehan and J.K. Rowling tho
Some of this is probably rhetorical, in that Britain has historically had at least "more of a" labor movement/political party than the US ever has. I'm not sure exactly how to articulate this in fine detail but this seems like even if the overton window, so to speak, isn't drastically further left in the UK, people will talk about it more clearly and unapologetically.

JordanKai
Aug 19, 2011

Get high and think of me.


Wanderer posted:

There's been a lot of this in his work lately; you mentioned A Walk Through Hell, and it's also a significant part of the mostly-deservedly-ignored Jimmy's Bastards and the less-so Red Team. (Red Team in particular is a book that's about cops but in no way glorifies them, which makes it feel a bit like Ennis writing James Ellroy fanfiction.) There's some of it going back to his old revival of Dan Dare for Virgin Comics, too.

Jimmy's Bastards was so bad and it was a huge disappointment after reading Dreaming Eagles. :( That was the best of Ennis' work besides Punisher MAX in my opinion, and I was hoping the rest of his work with Aftershock would be just as good. Alas.

How Wonderful!
Jul 18, 2006


I only have excellent ideas
Yeah if I remember right Jimmy's Bastards was about 40% incest jokes, 40% limp jokes about trigger warnings, and 20% Ennis' very tale lament about how hard it is out there for hard men today in this PC world of blah blah blah and a whole lot of profoundly misguided at best stuff about gender variance (wasn't the macguffin a "gender fluid" that turned everybody intersex or something?)

How Wonderful! fucked around with this message at 19:08 on Jun 6, 2020

site
Apr 6, 2007

Trans pride, Worldwide
Bitch
if you dont support trans rights you are very literally not a leftist, nor do they have left leaning views stop calling them that

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Barry Convex
Sep 1, 2005

Think of the good things, Pim! The good things!

Like Jesus, candy, and crackerjacks! Ice cream and cake and lots o'laffs!
Grandma, Grandpa, and Uncle Joe! Larry, Curly, and brother Moe!

site posted:

i remember when i said that the monologue where the 'lesbian" protag in a walk through hell complained about social protests was ennis' self-insert and i was told i was wrong and should give him the benefit of the doubt because??

anyone have scans of this or at least an issue number

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