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CidGregor posted:But yeah, drat, I forgot all about this whole "splat myself in the mall" sequence. And he specifically goes to where he knows Rachel is to do it, like he wants her to see it. That's way more unsettling to read now. It is. Although I think it's less that he wants her to see it and more that he wants to see her one last time and explain to her why he needs to do it.
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# ? May 19, 2020 13:46 |
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Epicurius posted:It is. Although I think it's less that he wants her to see it and more that he wants to see her one last time and explain to her why he needs to do it. While traveling slightly under mach 1? I don't think that's it.
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# ? May 19, 2020 14:10 |
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Radio Free Kobold posted:While traveling slightly under mach 1? I don't think that's it. Maybe. He does stop and talk to her between suicide attempt number 2 and 3.
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# ? May 19, 2020 14:17 |
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Epicurius posted:Maybe. He does stop and talk to her between suicide attempt number 2 and 3. I think he's just not thinking straight at all. He's in no place to decide whether he most needs to splat himself or to see Rachel, so he tries to splat himself on the way to Rachel. He tries to see Rachel because if anybody can convince him not to splat himself, it's her. But he also knows that if he's going to splat himself, he doesn't want Rachel to wonder why and what happened, so he has to tell her everything regardless. (and, of course, she doesn't convince him; good save, Marco)
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# ? May 19, 2020 14:42 |
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He's definitely not thinking straight. His thoughts are a bundle of "I'm not human anymore and can't live as a hawk" and "Rachel is the only one who still believes I'm a person.", and he's torn between those two thoughts. The thing about this scene is how much it doesn't come out of nowhere. The entire book up to this point is about Tobias setting up a distinction between himself and his current body.
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# ? May 19, 2020 15:27 |
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Somehow I completely forgot this happened and the thing I most remembered about book 3 were the opening and the fish tube plan.
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# ? May 19, 2020 17:27 |
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I'm reading this thread because I just about remember animorphs from a trip to the States when I was a kid. It caught my attention purely because the covers kind kind of like goosebumps and the Mighty Morphing power rangers were on television in the UK (might be misremembering that bit). I never actually did read them but something about the title kind of stuck in my head. God drat is this not what I was expecting, it actually reads a bit like a competent writer was told, 'write a series detailing a group of humans inducted into a desperate guerrilla war to save the planet from aliens involving body horror, alienation, questions of identity and three morality of genocide as 80s/90s YA'
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# ? May 19, 2020 22:01 |
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That's exactly what it is
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# ? May 19, 2020 22:25 |
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Chapter 16quote:The next few days were like a long, slow dream. I stayed away from Jake's house. I did not communicate with my friends. I disappeared. This is, it seems to me, a really good description of depression. quote:Still, at night, as I sat on my familiar branch and watched the owls do their silent, deadly work, the human memories would play in my head. So, at this point, he sees it happening but the hawk can't bring itself to care much. quote:NO! It was a human being. And Tobias has found himself again.
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# ? May 19, 2020 22:41 |
MrNemo posted:I'm reading this thread because I just about remember animorphs from a trip to the States when I was a kid. It caught my attention purely because the covers kind kind of like goosebumps and the Mighty Morphing power rangers were on television in the UK (might be misremembering that bit). I never actually did read them but something about the title kind of stuck in my head. Apparently she actually wanted to write a young adult series about what it would be like to be animals and she went what would make that possible and it basically grew from there
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# ? May 20, 2020 02:51 |
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Apparently she actually wanted to write a young adult series about what it would be like to be animals and she went what would make that possible and it basically grew from there It was a combination of the two things, actually. Applegate wanted to write a story about kids turning into animals, and Grant wanted to write a story about kids fighting back against an alien invasion, so they smashed their two story ideas together and the rest was history.
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# ? May 20, 2020 02:56 |
Those two things go together about as well as cowboys fighting on horseback and spaceships, and yet, firefly
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# ? May 20, 2020 02:57 |
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Those two things go together about as well as cowboys fighting on horseback and spaceships, and yet, firefly Yeah but like this is good though
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# ? May 20, 2020 07:20 |
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It's also why trying to do Animorphs in live-action was and is doomed to failure. You need kid actors, dangerous animals, and convincing alien effects? It could really only be done in animation unless you get a blockbuster budget.
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# ? May 20, 2020 08:49 |
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My dream is a Netflix animated series, but even then I can't see that getting away with some of the same stuff the books did. The first-person narration really manages to sell the horror in such a personal, visceral way. Especially the risk of death of self, such as what Tobias goes through here and it gets so much worse in the next few books with the ants in 5 and Jake's Yeerkification in 6. This section hit me hard as a kid, but as an adult I'm kind of in awe at how heavy the writing got here while remaining easy to read for the age of the audience.
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# ? May 20, 2020 10:21 |
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Those two things go together about as well as cowboys fighting on horseback and spaceships, and yet, firefly One of my favorite series (codex alera) started out because someone challenged Jim Butcher to write a mashup of lost roman legion / pokemon as part of a bet.
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# ? May 20, 2020 16:30 |
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Avalerion posted:One of my favorite series (codex alera) started out because someone challenged Jim Butcher to write a mashup of lost roman legion / pokemon as part of a bet. It doesn't really live up to the potential of the concept, though. For one thing, Furies aren't really Pokemon, so much as a source of Avatar: The Last Airbender style elemental powers; they don't even take coherent forms for most of the characters, and they don't have much personality even when they do. I guess they're supposed to be "deconstructed" Pokemon, not in the TvTropes sense but in the hipster restaurant sense, but the result is pretty generic.
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# ? May 20, 2020 17:30 |
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Also when was the last time someone in an official Pokemon storyline used a pokemon's abilities to roofie someone so they could get laid (or straight up raped someone while amped on pokemon abilities)? Codex Alera sucks if you pay too much attention to the poo poo actually going on. Just finished the book where Ax-man talks about a suicide-mission by an Andalite hit squad where they want to introduce a virus to a Yeerk pool that could mutate and also kill all of humanity that he and the Animorphs stop before it can be successful. Good grief every book has some really dark poo poo happening in it now.
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# ? May 20, 2020 17:57 |
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Ednamamame posted:My dream is a Netflix animated series, but even then I can't see that getting away with some of the same stuff the books did. The first-person narration really manages to sell the horror in such a personal, visceral way. Especially the risk of death of self, such as what Tobias goes through here and it gets so much worse in the next few books with the ants in 5 and Jake's Yeerkification in 6.
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# ? May 20, 2020 18:41 |
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I read a book in the series where Marco claims that The Phantom Menace was awesome and it made me immediately hate him for the rest of the book.
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# ? May 20, 2020 18:45 |
Marco probably loved how far ahead of everyone else Palpatine was
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# ? May 20, 2020 20:04 |
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The Encounter-Chapter 17quote:I landed on the perch outside Rachel's window. It was night. But she wasn't asleep. She was reading a book in bed, propped up by several pillows. This seems to be an important distinction that she's making. Tobias as hawk has to kill to eat. But the Yeerks don't need to take over people quote:"You are human, Tobias," she told me softly. What CAN you say at this point? quote:Rachel came closer and stroked my crest with her hand. It made the hawk in me uncomfortable. But at the same time, it was similar to preening, which is kind of pleasurable. One of the things this first cycle of books does is that it looks at the motivations of the main characters to get involved. They've been given this power by Elfangor, and they need to stop the Yeerks, but what's their personal motivation to do it? For Jake, we've seen that it's his desire to free his brother. For Rachel, it's seeing what happened to Melissa and her sympathy for kids who suddenly have Yeerk parents. We'll see Cassie's and Marco's motivations in upcoming books, but here's Tobias's
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# ? May 20, 2020 22:44 |
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Huh, so does the book skip the segment where Tobias makes contact with the hunted human in the forest? It jumps from what felt like the middle of the sequence straight to Rachel's house. Enjoying the read so far, never got into this as a kid
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# ? May 21, 2020 01:56 |
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I just finished the book where the poor Buffalo that helps the Animorphs in several fights in the book gets blown to bits. drat.
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# ? May 21, 2020 02:11 |
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Sjs00 posted:Huh, so does the book skip the segment where Tobias makes contact with the hunted human in the forest? It jumps from what felt like the middle of the sequence straight to Rachel's house. Yeah, it does. Don't need the story twice, and the way Tobias tells Rachel about it is much more important than the as-it-happens specifics.
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# ? May 21, 2020 02:13 |
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For some reason I thought they can only mindspeak to each other. Being able to do that to anyone when in animal form opens up a ton of possibilities for them to anonymously tip up whoever about the invasion.
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# ? May 21, 2020 09:19 |
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One thing I was curious about, can they morph into other humans? Them being teenagers in school I could definitely see a "somebody has to pass as somebody else" thing happening.
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# ? May 21, 2020 09:42 |
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Khizan posted:One thing I was curious about, can they morph into other humans? Them being teenagers in school I could definitely see a "somebody has to pass as somebody else" thing happening. Yes. That is going to come up. A lot. And it’s a giant can of worms that the series still only scrapes the surface on with both its practical and horror potential.
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# ? May 21, 2020 09:57 |
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Khizan posted:One thing I was curious about, can they morph into other humans? Them being teenagers in school I could definitely see a "somebody has to pass as somebody else" thing happening. They can but generally agree not to without the person’s consent as an ethical decision because it feels too similar to what the Yeerks are doing. However as you can probably tell from the books already all the moral positions the Animorphs take will inevitably be overridden as time and necessity demands.
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# ? May 21, 2020 14:43 |
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That hiker now knows that earth is being invaded by brain stealing aliens but there's nothing he can do about it and he can't even tell anyone. That's gonna be a fun life.
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# ? May 21, 2020 16:05 |
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Agaragon posted:This is just an overall observation, don't read too much into it... Epicurius posted:I think a lot of it just slipped under the radar. They were thin kids books with kind of goofy covers, and came out at the same time as the Goosebumps books, which were a lot more popular, and it was Goosebumps that got most of the attention from the would be censors. It is kind of ironic, obviously, because Animorphs touched on a bunch of more mature topics, but they were wrapped around stories of kids turning into tigers and bears and hawks, and so the actual stuff in the books didn't get noticed. there's a podcast that examines the series from a psychological and literary theory standpoint, and in one episode the hosts look at the reasons animorphs flew under the radar. not-so-coincidentally, in the episode for this book. warning for spoilers for the whole series, though.
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# ? May 21, 2020 16:16 |
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Turpitude II posted:there's a podcast that examines the series from a psychological and literary theory standpoint, and in one episode the hosts look at the reasons animorphs flew under the radar. not-so-coincidentally, in the episode for this book. warning for spoilers for the whole series, though. The entire podcast is great, but yes, it's pretty spoilerific.
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# ? May 21, 2020 16:48 |
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The Encounter-Chapter 16quote:The next day, we went ahead with the mission. I flew cover overhead while four gray wolves ran beneath me. We timed it so we would arrive in the area very early in the morning, many hours before the Yeerks would arrive to hunt intruders. See, they're doing the thing where they're all embarrassed by what happened with Tobias, so, instead of reaching out to him when he's asking for their help in dealing with it, they're choosing to ignore it. That happens more than you'd think when people cry out for help. quote:<Let's morph back,> Marco suggested. <One close call with being trapped as a wolf is plenty for me.> Not for nothing here, but in the last book, Cassie and Marco acquired osprey. You know what osprey eat? You know what would be easier than fumbling around with fishooks? quote:Cassie was the only one remaining calm. "Fishing is a matter of skill and luck," she said placidly. "A smart fisherman learns not to become frustrated."
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# ? May 22, 2020 00:00 |
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Epicurius posted:See, they're doing the thing where they're all embarrassed by what happened with Tobias, so, instead of reaching out to him when he's asking for their help in dealing with it, they're choosing to ignore it. That happens more than you'd think when people cry out for help. It's a nice little bit of characterization for Marco, too. The other three have had more carefree lives, but it wasn't all that long ago that nobody knew how to handle interacting with Marco after his mother died. Of course he'd have no time for pity and avoidance, and of course he'd know neither would do Tobias any good.
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# ? May 22, 2020 00:10 |
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It's also interesting, because Marco and Tobias are the least friendly Animorophs at this point. Tobias clearly doesn't like him that much in this book (though I can't remember how Marco acts towards Tobias in his first book, and if that's mutual). But Marco still gives him that, and he was also the one who saved his life when Tobias tried to splat himself.
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# ? May 22, 2020 07:08 |
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Yeah that was quick thinking on Marco's part. Why did he even have a baseball
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# ? May 22, 2020 07:57 |
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Ednamamame posted:It's also interesting, because Marco and Tobias are the least friendly Animorophs at this point. Tobias clearly doesn't like him that much in this book (though I can't remember how Marco acts towards Tobias in his first book, and if that's mutual). But Marco still gives him that, and he was also the one who saved his life when Tobias tried to splat himself. I've seen people reason that, especially in light of the "Marco is bi and has a crush on Jake" revelations that Marco's hostility towards Tobias prior to and shortly after the start of the series is purely born of jealousy that he was trying to move in monopolize Jake with his glommy hero worship after Jake saved his rear end from those bullies. All of this poo poo going down forces Marco to grow up fairly quickly and drop those catty schoolyard views of his follow Animorphs.
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# ? May 22, 2020 08:07 |
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Sjs00 posted:Yeah that was quick thinking on Marco's part. Why did he even have a baseball They were in a mall, probably grabbed it from a sports gear store.
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# ? May 22, 2020 10:56 |
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nine-gear crow posted:I've seen people reason that, especially in light of the "Marco is bi and has a crush on Jake" revelations that Marco's hostility towards Tobias prior to and shortly after the start of the series is purely born of jealousy that he was trying to move in monopolize Jake with his glommy hero worship after Jake saved his rear end from those bullies. All of this poo poo going down forces Marco to grow up fairly quickly and drop those catty schoolyard views of his follow Animorphs. Maybe, but also sometimes people just don't get along. I think it's a simple personality clash. Marco is sarcastic and quick to tease other people, which rubs Tobias the wrong way because Tobias has been picked on so much and has trouble telling good natured teasing from bullying, and Tobias rubs Marco the wrong way because he tends to be kind of emo and sadsack, and Marco, who's all about suppressing your feelings and sucking it up when something is bothering you, sees Tobias as kind of weak and unmanly. So I think it's just that their personalities are different enough that they bother each other.
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Avalerion posted:They were in a mall, probably grabbed it from a sports gear store. Ah petty vandalism nice. They couldn't just include some detail about Marco loving baseball and just whipping out one to Mary Sue situations? That would be okay
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