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Brolander posted:my fave Kramer moment is diediediediedieDIEDIEDIEDIEDIEDIEDIEDIEDIEDIEDIEDIEDIEDIE i'm not gonna lie, for a split-second there i had forgotten which thread i clicked on and thought 'wow, seinfeld really got wild there' also i've picked the series back up after a while of not reading since i normally did it at the gym while doing cardio and i've only recently been able to swing by another place to work out, and i'm in the middle of winter's heart. and it's...fine? it's fine. it's not really fast-paced by any stretch but it has some good moments so far. like the part where the three ladies bond rand as their warder and then birgitte nearly goes apeshit because elayne starts doing it with rand and she can sense it, so she agrees to go get piss-drunk on aiel booze to maybe keep from thinking about it
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I mean to be fair, that's a great scene. Winter's Heart is good, it's Crossroads of Twilight that people generally feel is the weakest, right afterwards.
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May 21, 2020 01:38
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The best thing about Elayne is Birgitte
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May 21, 2020 01:45
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i've got crossroads of twilight looking at me from the shelf so i can't wait to dive into that again
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May 21, 2020 01:58
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it's actually not as bad as you remember, because you can smash through it and get to the next book instead of waiting 8 years
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May 21, 2020 02:09
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:it's actually not as bad as you remember, because you can smash through it and get to the next book instead of waiting 8 years It still drags a ton. During my full-series re-read last year, each book took me about a week to finish on average except CoT, which took closer to two months. I felt like I was having to force myself to read it at times. I'm stubborn though and read the whole thing instead of skipping chunks and reading chapter summaries online.
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May 21, 2020 04:54
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Did they cast Thom yet? Just get the Ehrmentraut dude to play him
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May 21, 2020 09:45
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Alexandre Willaume? Dude is barely 50, Thom has gotta be mid 60s
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May 21, 2020 09:47
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Easier for a young man to dye his hair grey than an old man to do a backflip.
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May 21, 2020 11:33
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Dont ruin it for me
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May 21, 2020 11:58
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I haven't seen anything Alexandre Willaume is in, but his face is almost perfectly how I imagined Thom's, even if he may not be the "right age".
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May 21, 2020 12:11
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I just kinda skimmed over Elayne’s chapters in CoT cause literally nothing happened in them. I really like Talmanes by the way.
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May 21, 2020 12:44
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Invalid Validation posted:I just kinda skimmed over Elayne’s chapters in CoT cause literally nothing happened in them. I really like Talmanes by the way. That's because he's amazing.
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May 21, 2020 12:45
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May 21, 2020 13:19
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False, that's only one mustache
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May 21, 2020 13:40
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Data Graham posted:False, that's only one mustache  
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May 21, 2020 17:47
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It’s been a theme for me on my re-read, but man the Aes Sedai suck. I’m at Lord of Chaos, Nynaeve and Elayne are still with Salidar. The Salidar Aes Sedai suuuuuuuck. Almost every one is dumb as a brick, easily manipulated and focused only on the acquisition of power.
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May 21, 2020 18:06
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I take comfort in the rebels’ ultimate triumph because, as lovely as they are, Elaida and the tower group is worse.
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May 21, 2020 18:07
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I mean both sides were heavily influenced by black ajah so yeah they're all pretty bad at doing things.
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May 21, 2020 18:23
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ConfusedUs posted:I take comfort in the rebels’ ultimate triumph because, as lovely as they are, Elaida and the tower group is worse. Yeah, the black sister in the prologue thinking Rand would be overawed because three (or was it six?) Aes Sedai were coming to meet him was pretty lol.
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May 21, 2020 18:38
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Sometimes I wonder if maybe they should have left out stuff like healing gentling. It makes being gentled life altering instead of a minor inconvenience.
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May 21, 2020 18:51
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Invalid Validation posted:Sometimes I wonder if maybe they should have left out stuff like healing gentling. It makes being gentled life altering instead of a minor inconvenience. I'd argue it's still a pretty major inconvenience (reduced capability with the power), and that whole plot thread was really well written in general - the conclusion felt earned rather than granted.
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May 21, 2020 19:13
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Siuan was technically the only one to get reduced power. It agree it was earned but just imagine the impact it could have had later on if the ones Rand stilled couldn’t be healed. You could get some real powerful moments from it.
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May 21, 2020 19:17
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ChickenWing posted:I'd argue it's still a pretty major inconvenience (reduced capability with the power), and that whole plot thread was really well written in general - the conclusion felt earned rather than granted. The reduction was, as I understand it, either because it was a woman healing women (the first healing didn't reduce at all), or because the flow needed to be slightly different and she used the same flow; later on, a man was able to heal a woman perfectly.
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May 21, 2020 19:18
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But I agree, I thought it was important, well written, and honestly it legit brings tears to my eyes whenever I read that part.
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I'm conflicted on that point. On one hand I can see how it cheapens stilling (and burn-out, which presumably can be healed the same way), but on the other it was such a well written scene and so important for Nynaeve's arc that I can't really be mad about it. I do think that the rate at which magic development accelerated, even granting the boosts from Rand learning from Asmodean and remembering stuff from Lews and the Wonder Girls pumping Moghedien, that things accelerated way too quickly. The Aes Sedai knowledge base had been stagnant or declining for millennia and then suddenly shoots up near Age of Legends levels in only two years? It seemed way to easy to learn new weaves. If it was so easy that you only had to show a channeler, even an enslaved Damane who isn't encouraged to think for herself and only acts like a pet, any given weave once or twice for her to learn it, how'd they lose so many weaves in the first place?
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May 21, 2020 19:41
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There was no other way Logan fulfil mins thing
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May 21, 2020 20:02
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silvergoose posted:The reduction was, as I understand it, either because it was a woman healing women (the first healing didn't reduce at all), or because the flow needed to be slightly different and she used the same flow; later on, a man was able to heal a woman perfectly. iirc it's described as one hand healing the other hand, saidan healing saidar or vice-versa. having the same hand heal itself isn't as effective.
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jng2058 posted:I'm conflicted on that point. On one hand I can see how it cheapens stilling (and burn-out, which presumably can be healed the same way), but on the other it was such a well written scene and so important for Nynaeve's arc that I can't really be mad about it. I'd look at it like the dark ages, writ large. You suddenly have a massive loss of knowledge, plus an ongoing crisis keeping people in conflict and from properly passing on what knowledge they do have. Knowledge keeps getting lost, and what little remains is mostly passed on through rote memorization. You have to rebuild all your theory again just to get to the point that you understand what you can already do, much less improve upon it. Combine that with the entrenched philosophy of "if you learn something new, you keep it to yourself" meaning that new knowledge is effectively self-suppressed, plus the Black Ajah actively interfering in the whole operation, and it makes sense how they'd have lost so much important knowledge.
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Johnny Joestar posted:iirc it's described as one hand healing the other hand, saidan healing saidar or vice-versa. having the same hand heal itself isn't as effective. Yeah that sounds right, I just couldn't remember if it was that or which element.
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Healing talk This also has great benefit of foreshadowing why True Power is required for sealing the bore without taint leaking. Honestly the higher level metaphysics treating saidin/saidar and TruePower/Taint as phases of similar but different energy is one of the better bits. As the symmetry that a weave made of saidin might hold up better to saidar, or a weave made of saidar might hold up better to saidin, nicely mirrors the resolution to the taint issues where TP insulates the saidar/saidin weave from TDO’s taint when it is sealed, which in turn was further foreshadowed by the large pile of (presumably) TP that was present in aridhol could be used to neutralize the taint on saidin during the cleansing.
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Related audiobook chat, spoilers for Lord of Chaos: Occasionally, the narrators slip up what word they say. Michael Kramer, narrating Rand, just after being bonded by Alanna: "In a fury, he seized saidar." I mean, just imagine if somehow bonding a man who could channel gave him access to saidar and that was how people found out.
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Anias posted:Healing talk IIRC, the cleansing of saidin wasn't because of True Power neutralizing the taint or anything like that. Mashadar was formed out of the hatred and mistrust of the populace, but that hatred came about as an attempt to beat the Shadow by out-eviling the Shadow, and it was absolutely opposed to it. He cleansed saidin by dumping a shitload of it into Shadar Logoth. Mashadar started consuming the taint and all Rand had to do was keep the two of them connected until both the taint and Mashadar had burned themselves out. The True Power never factored into it. ChickenWing posted:I'd look at it like the dark ages, writ large. You suddenly have a massive loss of knowledge, plus an ongoing crisis keeping people in conflict and from properly passing on what knowledge they do have. Knowledge keeps getting lost, and what little remains is mostly passed on through rote memorization. You have to rebuild all your theory again just to get to the point that you understand what you can already do, much less improve upon it. There's also the decline in the strength of their channelers over the years. It wouldn't surprise me if a lot of weaves were lost just because the last people who knew them died before they could find students who were strong enough to handle them. Add in losses from battle in the Trolloc Wars and such and it's not surprising that a lot of things were lost.
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Khizan posted:IIRC, the cleansing of saidin wasn't because of True Power neutralizing the taint or anything like that. Mashadar was formed out of the hatred and mistrust of the populace, but that hatred came about as an attempt to beat the Shadow by out-eviling the Shadow, and it was absolutely opposed to it. He cleansed saidin by dumping a shitload of it into Shadar Logoth. Mashadar started consuming the taint and all Rand had to do was keep the two of them connected until both the taint and Mashadar had burned themselves out. You also have Hawkwing and the resulting stigma against Aes Sedai that most of them even internalized. They shy away heavily from even teaching combat weaves specifically because they're so focused on proving they aren't the monsters from the propaganda. Then you have knowledge that was deliberately hidden, like Balefire. And then you add on that Aes Sedai are heavily incentivized to keep their personally developed weaves secret or at most to share them among their Ajah because of the vicious rivalries that have developed and tenuous balance of Tower politics.
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May 21, 2020 22:18
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If someone bonded me without permission I’d probably kill them. They kinda just shrug it off after a few minutes.
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May 21, 2020 22:46
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Invalid Validation posted:If someone bonded me without permission I’d probably kill them. They kinda just shrug it off after a few minutes. Uhhhhhh Couple things. First, that happened to one person (in the books), and it sent him into a blinding rage about it for at least a book or two. Second, killing them is literally suicide.
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May 21, 2020 22:54
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Oh no my friend it happens a lot. Like disturbingly a lot.
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May 21, 2020 22:56
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In the books? I don't remember that. Oh uh okay sure the ashaman doing it, yes, right, and they literally couldn't because they were being compelled, more or less.
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May 21, 2020 22:58
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Oh also birg but that was kind of a special case.
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Who'm I missing?
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