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Jefepato posted:Anyway, I'm guessing the "lost" tablet is Sou's -- maybe he damaged his original in the process of whatever unrealistic hacking he did. Or something like that. This one isn't a mystery - it's Q-Taro's. HydroSphere posted:Investigate tablet.
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Amidiri posted:This one isn't a mystery - it's Q-Taro's. That's assuming the tablet Sara picked up is actually Q-Taro's... 
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   “You're early, Keiji...” “What was that earlier, meow...?” “Hey! Gashu! I have the right to an explanation!”  “It's... starting all over again...” “............”  “Did you call for me?” “You...! What's this transgression Miley mentioned?!”  “Transgression? I'm afraid I don't know what you mean.”  “...?” (Huh...? That reaction seems to indicate it's not...) “Understand that if there truly is a transgression, it should become clear in your discussion.”  “Don't mock us, would you?! You're the one deciding what counts as one, surely?!” “At least call Miley! So she can hand down a judgement on any misconduct!” “...Miley is the Floor Master for floors 1 and 2. I cannot do that.”  “Then call Safalin.” “Very well, if that will satisfy you.” “..........”  “...Bwahaha...” “Why do you laugh...?!” “...I am joyful.”Music stops.  “Why, you...!!!!” “Now then, let the second Main Game...”  “Ohh...! Very good! Everyone has assembled.” “D... Dammit! So it's starting after all...?!” “Indeed, we have talked long enough.” “Now, we shall begin the second Main Game.”           (It's starting again... This horrifying game...) “...........” “..........” “...Keeping quiet's only making time pass, guys.” “Aah... sniff...” “It's okay. We've walked this road before, haven't we?” “Then an' now... It's totally different...!”  “...!!” “Let's find our resolve. You said that in the first Main Game, right, Q-taro?” “............” “Dammit...!!” “Everyone, the card designs have been displayed in the rulebook this time.”  “............” Gashu quietly sat down in a chair. And... once again... the Main Game began. Music stops. “Okie-dokie. Seems you're ready.” “Hmph... Keiji Shinogi.... Are you a fool or what?” “Have you forgotten that unlike the first Main Game, there have been many card trades?”  “...If everyone speaks honestly.” “For how much you talk of allies, are you not being rather suspicious...?” “At the very least, the Sacrifice can't tell the truth, now can they?” “So it's fine to start with finding four candidates.” “Uh-huh. Because those who aren't candidates can be honest.” “Yep. And also, if we prove what everyone's cards are right now...” “...!” “It'll be cruel, and leave no trace of any bonds we've got.” “...I get it.”    “Huh...?” “Please, wait! Sou has contributed so much to helping us escape...!” “...Yet it doesn't change that he can't be trusted.” Music stops.  “Then I'm fine with being the first candidate.” “...Eh? Erm...” “After all, I...”   “What's that about?! Were you listening?! Talking about roles is for later...!” “So I see...” “Sorry, Keiji. I just didn't feel comfy letting you take the initiative.” “I know! I'll nominate the next suspicious person! How about that?” “You can't! An approach where whoever's chose nominates the next person is just...!” “Huh? Are you panicking, Miss Sara?” “I'm not panicking...!”Music stops.    “Eh...?!” “Everyone should understand this.” “..........” (After using her so cruelly... Is Sou trying to betray her?!)Music stops.  “....So, you're giving Kanna time to vindicate herself.” “...Huh?” “Sure thing. Let's have a discussion about Kanna's actions during the Death Game.” “So that we can trust her.”  “Kanna... At first, she just holed up in Sou's room.” “Kanna Kizuchi typically acted with him... Only Sou Hiyori can prove her actions.” “Let's see... Kanna was dead weight the whole time. What a hindrance...” “Hmm... Kanna looks like she's pretty shocked to hear that.” (I couldn't blame her...) “I'm sure you understand, Sara. You can extract statements from them.” “And also... you've got a new weapon, too.” “Huh?!”  (I can do that...?) “Now let's get to it, partner.”Extract statement from Kanna. “Hin... drance...?” “Kanna... isn't a hindrance...” (Kanna...)Extract statement from Q-taro. “Kanna... At first, she just holed up in Sou's room.” “Though...” “Later in the trading phase... Did seem like she was acting alone.” “Is that true?” “But well, through said latter half... I was knocked out, so I hardly got a clue.” (In that case... I can't rely on him.)Extract statement from Alice. “Kanna Kizuchi typically acted with him... Only Sou Hiyori can prove her actions.” “Of course, I was Kanna Kizuchi's conversation partner for a short time as well...” “But it could be said we didn't hit it off!” (I wasn't asking about that!)Extract statement from Sou.  “I've been getting fed up with having a useless helper, too.” (Just now, I felt like Sou's first statement caused someone's expression to change...!! While their expresssion's changed, I should check on them!)Check Kanna. Music stops.  (Kanna... Are you too shocked to speak...? But it seems like she's trying to say something! In that case...)  
Music stops.  “That's...”  “Kanna... Kanna...!!” “She isn't a hindrance at all!!” “Sou's saying mean things just because he can do hacking, but...” “Eh...?” “Ah...” “.............”  “H-Hold yer horses!! How d'you mean that?!” “Ermm... u-um...” (K... Kanna did hacking...?) “...Sheesh. You never make yourself clear.” “Speak in a little more detail, if you can.” “O... Okay...”   “Err... what kind of hacking was it?”
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Kanna did a hacking guys, case closed.
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May 17, 2020 23:01
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She did a social hacking, well done. That girl's got a bright future in infosec ahead of her.
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May 17, 2020 23:27
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So there's zero chance that Sou's actually the sacrifice, right? This was all deliberate to get Kanna to save herself before he tries to get rid of Sara.
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May 17, 2020 23:37
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Kanna is not a hack. Clearly she will grow up to make the good video games as art if she survives the death game.
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May 17, 2020 23:39
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They really mean hacking in the older sense of the word. Kanna's gonna hack together some Raspberry Pi kit so you can flush a toilet over the internet with an app.
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Goon Boots posted:They really mean hacking in the older sense of the word. Kanna's gonna hack together some Raspberry Pi kit so you can flush a toilet over the internet with an app.
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May 18, 2020 00:24
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I mean, I was going to say Kanna gets a fire-axe. But sure. That hacking too.
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PMush Perfect posted:Oh, so that's how we'll finally be rid of Sou. Tylana posted:I mean, I was going to say Kanna gets a fire-axe. But sure. That hacking too.
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PlasticAutomaton posted:So there's zero chance that Sou's actually the sacrifice, right? This was all deliberate to get Kanna to save herself before he tries to get rid of Sara. Considering Sou's reaction when Keiji said that she would be able to defend herself when he "nominated" her, I think Sou really was just trying to throw her under the bus. Besides, didn't he claim to be the Sacrifice last time as well?
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May 18, 2020 00:54
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Sou claimed Keymaster early on in the first Main Game. That was also the primary crux of the final arguments, to determine who the Sage was.
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They didn't fix the Sage loophole at all. If the Sage can't lie about the contents of the divination, you can force everybody to take turns claiming everybody is the Keymaster. "I am the Sage; the divination showed me that I am the Keymaster." Only the Sage and Sacrifice won't be able or willing to do that. The game would be interesting if it went down this route and you had to logic out the trades afterwards.
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 “You can't call something like that hacking... Don't misuse words you only just learned.” “Alright, Sara. Let's advance the discussion like this.” “Yes...!”Extract statement from Sou. “You can't call something like that hacking... Don't misuse words you only just learned.” “It's really concerning. We don't have much time for discussion.” “Then how about you explain everything yourself, Sou?” Extract statement from Nao.  “Does this mean Kanna is adept with computers too...?!” “I heard they taught programming in middle school now, but to think they even teach hacking...!” “I'm pretty sure they don't...” “But what password could it have been?” “When I heard that, I could only think of the password to start up the laptop...” (Hm...)Extract statement from Kanna. “I figured out a password... Breaking into someone else's things... That's called hacking, right?” “Sou had been fretting about it since yesterday.” “He was going “I don't know the password!”, taking his beanie off and putting it on...” “And then, I had an epiphany.” “That there might be traces from the password being typed...” (I extracted a new statement...!)Conflict Kanna against Nao. Music stops. “Um... Kanna, could it be that you didn't use the laptop to hack...” “...Yes.” (I see... Before the laptop was handed to Sou... I was the last one to enter the password. And my fingers left marks... Little bits of dirt from when I pressed the keys!) “When did you solve the password?” “It was before the trading phase began.” “Hold on a sec!!” “Don'tcha think that sounds funny, Sara?!” “...That it does. It's unusual. Because we thought Sou shared the laptop so that he could learn the password from us.” “But accordin' to you...” “You peeked inside before sharing the laptop with everybody?!” “...” “Yes...”  “That's wrong! Sou wanted an opportunity to reconcile with everyone...” “Kanna... Sorry to say, but there was another reason.”  “To look in the “Sara” folder on the laptop...!” “Yep... That's gotta be it.” “The “Sara” folder had a separate password, which was the name of Sara's mother.” “.............” “Y... You gotta be kiddin'!!”Music stops.  (Huh?!) “Ahaha... What of it?” “Why, you...!!” “Hold on a second! What deal is that?!”  “I don't think so.” “I thought it was strange from the get-go...” “But it seems there was a deal going on behind the sharing of the laptop.” “.............” “About this suspicious deal.”  “I was surprised. Q-taro said he would give me his tokens in exchange.” “The two talked to each other, separated by Sou's bedroom door... Kanna heard it too...”Extract statement from Sou. “I was surprised. Q-taro said he would give me his tokens in exchange.” “I didn't intend to hear him out, but Q-taro was so serious, I just couldn't turn him down.” “...And it turned out to be a good trade.” “...........” “Don't give me that scary look. You benefited from getting to see the laptop for free, right, Miss Sara?”Extract statement from Kanna. “The two talked to each other, separated by Sou's bedroom door... Kanna heard it too...” “Sou said, “That's not a bad deal”...” “And he also said “Maybe we'll reconcile”... So Kanna got really happy...” Extract statement from Q-taro. “I... went to Sou an' asked him to share the laptop.” “I mean... I had a responsibility, y'know.” “I gathered more tokens than anybody to survive.” “I was possessed by the need for tokens back then, y'hear...?!” “Is that really the only reason...?” “O... Obviously...” (Blackmail... Is there really nothing?)Show security footage to Q-taro. Music stops.  “Q-taro, was there really no opportunity for blackmail?” “W-Whatcha sayin'?!” “We acquired a certain video...” “...!” “I-I didn't know there was such a thing!!” “It was all clearly pictured.”  Music stops. “If this isn't blackmail material, what is?!” “No way...!! Q-taro was the one who placed the cards?!” “Muscle gorilla... was a traitor, meow...?!” “...” (A traitor...? Is that really the case?) Or was there some other circumstance...? How could someone like Q-taro be a traitor...? “Why'd you do a thing like that?” “...Where did you get the cards, Q-taro?” “...” “Please say something... Q-taro...!!” “...” “Huh...?!”    “S-Sure, we didn't directly find any cameras... But they must have been hidden cameras! Concealed in places we didn't see...!!” “You were caught on camera... That's the only proof we need!!”Music stops.  “Eh...?”  “If ya think about it, we've been getting' tricked left an' right.” “A fake Reko... a fake Mishima AI...” “The kidnappers can move around fakes of us whenever and however they like.” “You mean...!” “Looks like you got tricked, Sara.” “Script by the kidnappers, actors, our fakes! You fell for a fake move put on by dolls!” “...!!” “I dunno what you guys saw...” “But...!!” “Talk about a disadvantage...” “Preparing fakes to trick us with was a stellar move by our enemies, huh?” “Looks like you've been talked down for once, Miss Sara.”Music stops. “Anyway, I told ya 'bout the deal between me and Sou!” “And I mean, after we all looked at the laptop, I was passed out the whole time.” “There's gotta be somebody more 'spicious than me.” “I understand...” “Wait, meow! Why was muscle gorilla passed out in the Room of Rubble in the first place, woof?!” “Well, I...” “Don't... remember...” “No way...!” “It's true. Got no memory from the moment I entered that room!”  “So surely someone else knocked him out...?!” “Then we should find out who did it, meow! They've gotta be a villain, woof!!” (Wasn't it when we were looking at the laptop? Then after the Sacrifice was passed to me...) (Right... I didn't see Q-taro after that. If I can determine everyone's actions at the time...!) “Mwahaha... Interesting. Why don't we all give our alibi's at that time...?”Music stops.    “Sara Chidouin.... We continued to look at the laptop after you took off running. Though there wasn't much.” “After we were done looking at it... Kanna went to deliver the laptop to Sou.” “Your friendly policeman stayed in the lobby for a little while.” “I wasn't feeling well and ran to the bathroom... I talked with Miss Nao on the way back.”  Extract statement from Alice. “Sara Chidouin.... We continued to look at the laptop after you took off running. Though there wasn't much.” “After our viewing, we went searching on our own again... Hmph...” “...I'll tell you this, I'm not the culprit. Don't judge based on appearance and imprisonment.”Extract statement from Nao.  “Right. I talked with Sou about our plan to hack the fake Professor Mishima. I think it's because that plan went well that our escape plan could progress...” “Sou was... really dependable then. And yet...”Extract statement from Gin. “I was searching the pitch black first floor, meow... I was thinking I'd go back to the third floor, but there was a nuisance in the way, woof...” (So Gin was on the first floor until I reunited with him in the Room of Lies?)Extract statement from Q-taro. “After the sound of the trade and you leavin' Sara, I went back to searching too.” “After talking to Keiji in the lobby, I went to the Room of Rubble, then lost consciousness...” “Wanna say I couldn't move all'a sudden and bumped my head on the wall, but...”Extract statement from Kanna. “After we were done looking at it... Kanna went to deliver the laptop to Sou.” “Sou was talking with Nao in the Ruined Corridor.” “About what?” “S... Sorry, Kanna just gave Sou the laptop and left right away, so...” (Is that so...)Extract statement from Keiji. “Your friendly policeman stayed in the lobby for a little while. People came by the lobby now and then, so I can verify their alibis.”  Extract statement from Sou. “I wasn't feeling well and ran to the bathroom... I talked with Miss Nao on the way back.” “Specifically, we talked about our hacking plan. Kanna came to deliver the laptop during our chat.” “I thought about having Kanna join the plan, but she promptly went off somewhere.” “That's my alibi, pretty much.” (Huh? That statement just now...)Show stun gun to Sou. Music stops.  “You know the weapon used well, Sou.” “Huh...?” “I quietly took the stun gun from the scene. So only Gin and I knew that Q-taro was attacked with a stun gun.” “...!” “Mwahaha... A most unexpected slip-up.” “Sou Hiyori used the stun gun to knock Cubetaro Hamburger out!! Yes, it was you!!” “I give...” “You found me out so easily. Ahaha.”  “Sou...!!” “When he suddenly entered the room, I went and used it without even thinking.” “Where'd you find a dangerous thing like that, meow?!” “Hmm... Can't seem to recall...” “MeoooOOOooow?!” (...Something feels off. You'd really have to be at your wit's end to use a single-use stun gun... Was there something more going on between Q-taro and Sou..?)Music stops. “...That's enough...” “That can't...!” “Might be pointless to push any further... Sou's got no intention of explaining himself.” “For now, we should spare time for someone else.” “Hmph... Indeed, only now do we have the time to suspect each other...” “Even if it's hard to say... we have to say it.” “That's right. Be brave and talk, everybody.” “Let's discuss if there's anyone besides Sou who's acted suspicious..”     Extract statement from Alice.. “If I have to say something... Nao Egokoro's actions had me wondering a bit. She was in the Room of Lies for quite a while.” “Yet Nao's strangeness is easily explained by the presence of the fake Mishima.” “There is no reason to suspect Nao Egokoro.” (...He seems to kind of favour Nao.)Extract statement from Gin.  “Actually while I was searching the dark first floor, I saw a weird video, meow... There was a guy with glasses... and something like an axe swung at his head...” “T-Then he... said big sis Sara's name...” “Of course, I don't suspect you or anything, meow!!” “I got scared and left the room right away, but... I'm sure that was a victim video, meow...”Extract statement from Keiji. “Pretty curious about Gin's actions, myself. Why'd he know how to get to the first floor...?” “You'd need a better nose than a police dog to do that.” (If Gin has the sense of smell of both a dog AND a cat, then...!) “...Just as reminder, Gin's a human.”Extract statement from Nao.  “There's... this video I've been curious about. So there's a certain someone I suspect a little...” “Actually, this video... When I first watched it, I was too scared to look...” “What sort of video was this?” “U-Umm... well...” “It's possible it was just faked, right...? So I don't want to say anything irresponsible...” “I won't know unless you tell me.” (A video I saw with her...)Show victim video to Nao. Music stops.  “Nao, you're talking about this victim video, aren't you?” “Ah!! The one I dropped...!!” “...Yes. That's exactly right.”  “And... there was a man in front laughing... From behind, he...” “...!” “...Huh. A shocking story...” “But...! It could always be a forgery!” “Then we don't we ask?” Music stops. 
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My god, Sou is such a poo poo.
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OOrochi posted:My god, Sou is such a poo poo.
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Sou: The actual worst. Also gently caress Q-Taro, let's just string both of them up at this point.
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I believe in Keiji, even if this was exactly as bad as it looks. Sou is just being Sou with this bit, Keiji needed to explain himself here eventually anyway. Q-Taro pulling a fast one on claiming the video was faked is the real poo poo behavior here, guess without conclusive peer pressure riding on him he'll always default to looking out for #1.
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"Dolls did it" is going to hard to disprove when it comes to random footage. Keiji could fall back to that excuse too. One of the motivations I had for keeping fake Reko alive was that the players would get to study her body and find a way to differentiate between real people and dolls. Given that anyone could be replaced at almost any time, it's vital to be able to figure out the difference. The game did not end up going that direction, but the players did learn that "dolls don't bleed". If everyone's willing to inflict minor wounds on each other, those meeting in-person can guarantee that nobody is fake.
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Dolls are going to be this setting's nanomachines.
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NeoRonTheNeuron posted:The game did not end up going that direction, but the players did learn that "dolls don't bleed". If everyone's willing to inflict minor wounds on each other, those meeting in-person can guarantee that nobody is fake. What do you think they did with all the blood they sucked out of Joe? Now all the dolls have realistic human blood.
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That slip-up seemed uncharacteristic for Sou. wologar posted:Dolls are going to be this setting's nanomachines. Yeah, with nearly perfect AIs and dolls, all bets are off.
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tomanton posted:Keiji, who absolutely used this to get away with vigilante killing.
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  (I want to know the truth of that video, too...!)
“............” “Miss Sara, it's looking like it'll be faster if you press the issue.” “Eh...?!” “I'm sure even Keiji will open his mouth for his dear Miss Sara.” “I'm counting on you...” “............” (Expose Keiji... by my own hand...?)   (Can't let him mislead me...! I'll choose words I can refute and talk back!!) “Let's discuss the victim video Nao saw, how about?” “Mr. Policeman's First Trial... Well everyone knows it.”
“No, none of us have heard about what your First Trial was yet, Keiji. Please, don't lie like Sou!” “Boy... That's a shocking comparison to hear.” “Sorry, sorry. I'll reflect on it.” “If she saw it alone, I'm sure she could've made a mistake.” “Unfortunately... I also watched it with her once, in the Monitor Room.” “...!” “There's no mistake, Keiji.” “...So I see.” “It's no good to suspect people over dubious information.” “It's you who said to suspect each other so we could trust each other!! If we only used concrete information... That wouldn't be suspecting, it'd just be facts!” “Aha...”  “Should be no difference between the two, after all.” “There isn't zero difference between them. The security camera footage... had no sound. I admit it's weak evidence... But you can't talk about them like they're identical!” “Whew... Makes some sense. Okie-dokie. I'll admit that.” “There's no relation between that woman and me, is there?” “About that... The woman in the video was wearing a police uniform.” “...!” “You're a policeman too, Keiji... Is this just a coincidence?” “...I give. Wahaha....” Music stops. “............” “Please... tell us everything, Keiji.” “The victim video that Nao saw...” “And it... was also my First Trial...”  “She was my boss ever since I joined the force.”      “...But you might be a bit too serious. Even if you have stamina, you have to think about how to spend it, or it won't last.” “............” “Um... I heard you were rather elite, Miss Megumi.” “Why would you, err... serve as a trainer for the likes of me?” “Heehee... I wonder, indeed.” “...I have high hopes for you.” “...! Yes, ma'am.”Music stops.         “I've...!!” “I've killed a person...!!” “...In self-defence, yes.” “But... the criminal wasn't even holding a weapon!!” “...That's just what the law says. You've done nothing wrong.” “.............” “.............” “...!!!!” “...I...”Music stops.   “I'll never forget it. I owed her the worst kind of debt...”  “No... I...”  “.............” “...Sorry for keeping quiet, everyone.” (Keiji...) “I'm surprised. What a dangerous individual we've had lurking in our midst.” “...If you vote for me, I won't complain.” “No...!!”  “Speaking of voting, I think it's about time to decide...” “...Meowww?!” “No way!! That was way too quick...!” “Well... You need time to work out the card trades this time, you see...” (Agh...!!) “Then what to do...? Q-taro, Sou, Keiji... I can't rightly say you're not suspicious...” “H-Hold up! Don't we need one more person, though?!” “Troubling, huh? If it's down to three options, it'll make our choices that much narrower...” “We gotta suspect someone again, woof? Sniffle...”  “That's a good idea, Gin.” “R-Really, woof?” “If you aren't chosen in the preliminary vote and are dropped out...”Music stops. “Because you can no longer be chosen, there's no need to lie anymore!!” “Indeed, that could be our greatest ally...!” (Of course... if you're the Sacrifice... It works against you.) “Got it, woof!! Let's talk about who we want to leave out, meow!!”  “We should leave out someone with lots of tokens... Like Q-taro.” “How about we leave out Gin, since he doesn't have any tokens?!”  “I have to say... I'd be glad if Sara was left out.” “Right... If we're leaving someone out, I think I'd say Miss Sara too...”Extract statement from Alice. “...Sou should be left out. He did say he had the Sacrifice at the start?” “His suspicious actions have had a purpose.” “By earning hate and losing trust, he's been gathering votes toward himself!” “So, it's best we simply leave him out and have him sit in the corner of the room.” “If he's the Sacrifice, he can vote twice for himself, though, so he'll end up being selected...” “Indeed?! Oh, how nasty!!”Extract statement from Nao. “How about we leave out Gin, since he doesn't have any tokens?!” “Just listen...! The best person to leave out is someone who's very likely to have the Sacrifice!” “If the Sacrifice comes around to you, you can trade it away if you have tokens, right?” “But... Gin has zero tokens...!” (And so there's a high chance he's the Sacrifice...?)Extract statement from Gin.  “I think big sis Sara should be left out, meow! Because she's super dependable for reasoning, woof!” “And also, I swore to protect big sis Sara, meow!” “Gin...” “I believe in you, meow!”Extract statement from Keiji. “We should leave out someone with lots of tokens... Like Q-taro.” “There's been a bunch of card trading this time.” “It's possible that Q-taro with all his tokens was involved in at least one trade...” “We should leave him out to extract info.”Extract statement from Kanna. “I have to say... I'd be glad if Sara was left out.” “My reason... umm...”  “No matter what...”Extract statement from Q-taro. “We shouldn't be selecting Gin or Kanna... Sacrificin' a kid's no good at all...” “I ain't tryin' to look like a good person.”  Extract statement from Sou. “Right... If we're leaving someone out, I think I'd say Miss Sara too...” “Because you're cute.” “...What did you think I was gonna say?” (Mgh...!) “When our escape failed, I looked at you and had a thought...” “...She's acting kinda strange.” (…!!) “And on top of that...” “A last minute trade right after our escape failed... Just a tad suspicious, isn't it?”  Check Q-taro. Music stops.  “...Q-taro is something the matter?” “There bein' a trade just before the Main Game... Izzat true?!” “Yes... It's true.” “...!!” “Which means... yeah... Just maybe...!” “MeoooOOOooow?!” “What?! How could you possibly know that from what we just...!!” “Q-taro...” “I know! Everybody, listen up!”   “...Eh...?” “Yeah, I'm darin' to say it before voting...!!” “What's this all of a sudden?! I can't tell where you're going with this!!” “You would say that, huh, Sara...” “Huh?!”Music stops.  (Does he mean...?!)  (It's Q-taro who sent me the Sacrifice?!) “And you've still got the Sacrifice now!! Ain't that right?!” (What's he talking about?! I have a Commoner card now! Q-taro's making a false accusation here!!) “You really think I'm the Sacrifice...?” “Yeah!!” “Then... Just leave me out of the vote!” “Don't be misled, guys!! The Sacrifice gets two votes!!” “If she puts those two votes toward herself, she's getting' selected...!!” “In other words... if I'm not selected, that will be proof.” “Either way, nobody vote for Miss Sara.... and we'll have proof.” “I... would like that, but...!” “Please, wait!! Can we decide on such an important vote with so much still unclear?!” “Oogh... We can't sort it out in such a short time...!!” “What do we dooo?! One of these candidates is going to end up the victim, remember?!” “We really should discuss some more...!” “You sure don't know when to give up!!”Music stops.   
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May 21, 2020 22:29
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I think we gotta vote for Sou.
Goon Boots fucked around with this message at 22:59 on May 21, 2020 |
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May 21, 2020 22:56
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Ah so that's the plan. Paint Sara as the sacrifice so the real sacrifice (Q-Taro, who is doing everything he can to make sure he gets into the final vote. Like hell Sou is the real sacrifice) can use that to get voted out and escape with Sou. Hilariously here a vote for Sara would defuse that plan, but that also puts her at risk of execution, but between Keiji, Gin, and Nao, she's safe. Sou's probably put himself as the real Keymaster to keep himself safe.
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May 21, 2020 23:13
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PlasticAutomaton posted:Ah so that's the plan. Paint Sara as the sacrifice so the real sacrifice (Q-Taro, who is doing everything he can to make sure he gets into the final vote. Like hell Sou is the real sacrifice) can use that to get voted out and escape with Sou. Hilariously here a vote for Sara would defuse that plan, but that also puts her at risk of execution, but between Keiji, Gin, and Nao, she's safe. Sou's probably put himself as the real Keymaster to keep himself safe. I think that would make more sense if Q-taro said he was the sage rather than the key master. By claiming key master the people who would trust him at face value wouldn’t vote for him to get into the final four, which unravels that whole plan. Also, Keiji’s story doesn’t really explain why he would have left her to die.
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May 21, 2020 23:22
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The act of killing another made him feel like poo poo and deserved to be punished, especially if the person was unarmed (how that particular situation arose is something he should say himself but they're probably not going to go there for the time being). Megumi specifically sought him out in order to supervise him, so it's likely she used Keiji to wipe out the suspect and cover his tracks because of some other 3rd party making the back room deal. It's partly to cover his own rear end (she could have sold him out at any time easily before this game and they'd trust the superior over the rookie) and partly because he felt what she did as an officer of the law was hosed up.
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May 21, 2020 23:41
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I presume Keiji feels like he should've faced consequences and that his mentor perverted justice to save him. Anyway, I guess Sou. If he isn't the sacrifice we can get rid of him, if he is he's getting into the final vote anyway via self voting. Safest vote imo.
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May 21, 2020 23:43
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Does the sacrifice have to cast both their votes for the same person? I was thinking that putting just one on yourself might be a decent attempt at a fakeout. If you need to rely on your own vote to get in, it's a bit easier to buy one random chaos vote on you than two.
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May 21, 2020 23:46
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He finally understood ACAB. Anyways, we need to vote someone who's in the middle, neither untouchable nor obviously suspicious. Vote Nao.
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May 21, 2020 23:58
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If Sou's the sacrifice, he's gonna use his two votes on Sara. He told everyone not to vote for Sara, so if she gets two votes, he'll have successfully painted her as the sacrifice. All this assumes he'll get two votes anyway, but that seems likely--he's very hatable. I think the best defense against this attack is to have Sara Vote for Herself. This would mean she gets three votes if Sou's the sacrifice, and only one if he's not. This would prove that someone besides Sara voted for her--after Sou instructed everyone not to, then unless someone else claims they voted for Sara the three votes for her is proof that Sou was lying when he instructed everyone not to vote for her. Course, deep strategy isn't really something you can pull off in a narrative game? But nevertheless.
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May 22, 2020 00:12
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Q-Taro has been extremely fretful this trial. He must have one of the undesirable cards, either the Sage or the Sacrifice. By claiming Keymaster, he'd hope that people didn't vote for him, so he'd be the Sage. If that's the case, however, he's probably assuming that the real Keymaster wouldn't intercede on Sara's behalf. That leaves... Sou as the Keymaster? Another possibility is that whoever stunned him stole his tokens for a trade and broke his tablet so he wouldn't know who's the Keymaster. The attacker would also know that Q-Taro is the Sage in that case. Sou again? Q-Taro as Sage and Sou as Keymaster would leave the Sacrifice up in the air.
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May 22, 2020 00:38
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wologar posted:Q-Taro has been extremely fretful this trial. He must have one of the undesirable cards, either the Sage or the Sacrifice. By claiming Keymaster, he'd hope that people didn't vote for him, so he'd be the Sage. If that's the case, however, he's probably assuming that the real Keymaster wouldn't intercede on Sara's behalf. That leaves... Sou as the Keymaster? That's the problem, though. If Q-Taro was the Sage, then he couldn't claim the role of Keymaster, because that'd violate the rules of being the Sage - namely, he couldn't role claim himself as the Keymaster... So at this point, he has no reason to lie about being the Keymaster then. It's also likely that he doesn't know about the last trade due to being knocked out prior to it, so it's reasonable to think the Sacrifice he planted on Sara is still on her... And if he changed to Sacrifice during that weird last trade, then he wouldn't be working on painting other people as it, since Crabstache here said that an extra tablet was provided so the unknown person could know what their role was. Mystic Mongol posted:He told everyone not to vote for Sara, so if she gets two votes, he'll have successfully painted her as the sacrifice. All this assumes he'll get two votes anyway, but that seems likely--he's very hatable. If Sou's point was to paint her as the Sacrifice, then... He succeeds and gets her into the last four, and... Then what? No one will vote for her, so she'll be in the safest position imaginable - a Commoner with guaranteed no votes. By role claiming himself as the Sacrifice at the start, that means he's trying to divert votes away from himself as well, so there's one of two explanations here. Either 1) he's trying to protect everyone else from the effects of it (extremely unlikely, given what we know of how he behaves), or 2) it was an outright lie to protect himself from being voted for. So what I'd like to purpose here is that neither Q-Taro nor Sou are the Sacrifice, meaning that Sou's a safe vote for who to kill at the end. As for who's the Sage... No one's spoken up yet, so it's hard to say aside from those two also definitely not being the Sage, as if they were, then they would have already lied while being the Sage. Magic Fanatic fucked around with this message at 01:29 on May 22, 2020 |
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May 22, 2020 01:27
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Magic Fanatic posted:That's the problem, though. If Q-Taro was the Sage, then he couldn't claim the role of Keymaster, because that'd violate the rules of being the Sage - namely, he couldn't role claim himself as the Keymaster... I wonder. The sage can't lie about the results of the divination. That wasn't a divination, though. He's not saying "I am the Sage, and X is the Keymaster."
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Magic Fanatic posted:If Sou's point was to paint her as the Sacrifice, then... He succeeds and gets her into the last four, and... Then what? No one will vote for her, so she'll be in the safest position imaginable - a Commoner with guaranteed no votes. By claiming the role of sacrifice immediately, and then pinning it on Sara, he'd paint himself as a treacherous dirtbag while also trying to trick everyone else into not voting for him. Then in the final round, he can collect a few random votes from people upset at him for constantly screwing with everyone, and two votes when he votes for himself, and survive as the sacrifice. A plan that came together after his attempt to escape physically ended in earthslide. With a small group of people almost all of which have incentive to tell the truth, it's very hard to hide who the sacrifice is. If he can paint Sara as the sacrifice by voting for her after getting everyone else not to, so she has exactly two votes, then it's his word against hers as to which of the two the sacrifice is, and all the sage and keymaster stuff stops mattering. Then he just needs to get people to hate him and vote to kill him--maybe by leading investigations into children and betraying his allies during the discussion period? Sou's dirtbaggery, combined with his insistence that no one vote for Sara, makes sense if he's trying to separate her from the others to conceal his own role card.
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