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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:I had this video keeping popping up in my Youtube, it was called "Why Disney doesn't get lightsabers" and it had a couple of hundred thousand views. I finally took a chance on it and it was literally some nerd with an accent delivering venom-coated whining about how Disney had Luke call them "laser swords". After around 2 minutes I turned it off and blocked the channel. That's hilarious. George Lucas has always called them laser swords from day one.
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May 22, 2020 02:22
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The Star Wars fans who want a Star Wars movie without lightsabers are funny.
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May 22, 2020 02:42
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Star Wars Theory has to be some kind of Disney op.
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May 22, 2020 03:00
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Hello thread, I'm starting up Sucker Punch.
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Roth posted:Hello thread, I'm starting up Sucker Punch. It's not good, but it is also not boring.
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Whoa, this is for real! Hahaha aaa AAAjosh04 posted:Give me $30 million dollars so I can make a review of Suicide Squad that stars the cast of Suicide Squad. Why, so you can just force will smith to ask 'what is this, some kind of suicide squad' in wildly different tones and inflections??
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:It's not good, but it is also not boring. I put off watching Sucker Punch for a very long time because of such responses, and it actually turned out it's actually the reverse: it's an extremely solid and well-made movie, but also kind of dry because the all action scenes are "action scenes" - like, in quotation marks. It's a very academic sort of exercise. I've also pointed this out elsewhere, but the logic of the film is that the brothel-world is the film's symbolic reality , but it's unfortunately also the least developed. I really strongly suspect that Snyder's preferred version* would have had musical, but the studio saw the horror- and fantasy-worlds as more marketable. *The Extended Cut is way superior, but specifically not a Director's Cut.
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Some insight into Sucker Punch from Zack Snyder that's a good read imo: https://filmschoolrejects.com/interview-zack-snyder-on-the-sexuality-and-fanboy-hate-of-sucker-punch-36287c94c6b0/
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Just finished, and I really enjoyed it. I think the most interesting thing about the movie is that it acknowledges that all this power fantasy stuff really is just a fantasy of Babydoll's. They're just her imagination while the other girls accomplish their goals while she distracts the men with her dancing. I think this is most shown when the cook kills one of the girls, and as she's getting stabbed, Baby switches back to a much more palpable version of a grand heroic sacrifice with a far off explosion rather than an in your face, brutal stabbing. Blondie and Amber are are then gunned down in front of her with no way to soften that blow with escapism, and Baby stabs Blue, causing a ton of blood to gush out. A small-ish detail I liked was that all the fantasies were bloodless, as opposed to the reality of the actual murders and violence in the film. She then acknowledges to Sweet Pea that she really didn't do anything the entire movie, and that she should escape while she sacrifices herself. I'm a bit torn on the ending and whether it's as simple as the whole movie was a fantasy in the first place, or that the final sequence is just one last fantasy Baby invents to cope. One where she's essentially lobotomized as a way to cope with being turned into a sex slave. It definitely feels, to me, like the most bleak of Snyder's movies which contrasts with all the absurd action scenes.
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Sucker Punch was one of Oscar Isaacs break out roles too. Hes god drat amazing in that movie and I remember even a lot of negative reviews took notice of his performance.
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Apparently Lucas calls them laser swords in interviews, unless the interviewer does, then he corrects them and calls them lightsabers. I have a ridiculous fantasy of continuing to variously call them beam katanas, bright blades, luminous flamberges etc. until someone probably tries to kill me. unrelatedly: People getting mad about video games and movies are still less pathetic than people getting mad about people getting mad at video games and movies. Ghost Leviathan fucked around with this message at 07:53 on May 22, 2020 |
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Blood Boils posted:Why, so you can just force will smith to ask 'what is this, some kind of suicide squad' in wildly different tones and inflections?? For a control experiment I would also have him repeat a terrible line he 100% sells, namely the "Converse All-Stars, vintage 2004" bit from I, Robot.
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Josh buddy, pal, you sleeping on this? https://twitter.com/TheCulturedNerd/status/1263688960070414336?s=19
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Happy to be proven wrong, and all the coy tweets by AT&T suggest something is in the works, but the article isn't hugely compelling - a VFX company that leaks an unannounced project they're working on is a VFX company that's rapidly not working on that project any more.
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I'm cautiously optimistic. They might have leaked it intentionally for the sake of creating hype
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josh04 posted:The original Steppenwolf design is really nice, but the JL redesign (aside from the vfx being very unpolished) is a classic Hollywood "we need to see the actor's face" dealy, I'd be surprised if they completely rolled that back. Man, I felt so sorry for Ciarán Hinds when watching JL. He did his best to give Steppenwolf's voice a kind of dreamy fanaticism but the character looked like absolute dogshit. I just looked up Hinds' IMDb page and JL is on there for 2021  edited for wrong word and date, Jesus I must be tired Grendels Dad fucked around with this message at 12:26 on May 22, 2020 |
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Grendels Dad posted:Man, I felt so sorry for Ciarán Hinds when watching JL. He did his best to give Steppenwolf's voice a kind of dreamy fanaticism but the character looked like absolute dogshit. I just looked up Hinds' IMDb page and JL is on there for 2021
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For idiots like me, what exactly is different about the Snyder cut of Justice League?
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SalTheBard posted:For idiots like me, what exactly is different about the Snyder cut of Justice League? Nearly everything. Based on what we’ve heard it’s an apples to oranges thing, they’re almost completely different plots aside from big beats like Superman coming back and the heroes save the day. And you’re not an idiot. Pirate Jet fucked around with this message at 14:57 on May 22, 2020 |
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SalTheBard posted:For idiots like me, what exactly is different about the Snyder cut of Justice League? I don't know if it was upthread here or in another thread, but it was said that of the movie Snyder shot, roughly 30 minutes were used by Whedon and the rest is new. So yeah, if the Snyder cut is really four hours long, only thirty minutes of those should seem familiar and the rest is completely different. Which is insane. Mr. Apollo posted:After JL was released Hinds said he hoped that Snyder’s movie as he had intended it would one day be released because what was released was not the movie he worked on. Also, he was in Excalibur.  welp seems like I have to watch Excalibur again to look out for him.
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SalTheBard posted:For idiots like me, what exactly is different about the Snyder cut of Justice League? Someone will probably answer this better than me, but for one, a drastically different tone. Whendon rewrote a ton of dialogue to make it sound more like his. He reshot a good 75% of the movie and it's cartoonishly obvious which are his shots and which are Snyder's. Whendon's feel claustrophobic since they're blalantly on a green screen set. Ben Affleck was in full alcoholism during his reshoots so he's significantly redder and puffier. And everyone's hair lines are off. I heard Aquaman's tattoos are off too. The finale in set piece has a red filter placed all over it. They got Danny Elfman involved and fired Junkie XL. So he reprised his classic Batman theme and it sounds just awful. (I think they put in the Williams Superman theme at one point too.) There's a weird subplot about a Russian family that Snyder was unaware of when someone asked him about it. Superman's revival and story arc was entirely different. Something darker from the sounds of it. And most tragically, Cyborg's presence was reduced drastically. He was the focal point in the original and was set to have the most pathos but got regulated to side character.
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SalTheBard posted:For idiots like me, what exactly is different about the Snyder cut of Justice League? About 75% of the film seen in theaters was Whedon rewrites and reshoots done on nearly tv budgets and a very compacted time frame. Snyder's version has a significantly different story and script, different direction and footage that wasn't shot on a rushed timeline (though I don't know what they'll do about getting various pickups and tiny fixes usually done in reshoots)
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SalTheBard posted:For idiots like me, what exactly is different about the Snyder cut of Justice League? So sometime before Snyder left the project he showed a rough cut to studio execs that was nearly 4 hours long. When he left the project and Whedon took over he re-filmed a bunch of stuff, the rumor was that it was upwards of 75% of the eventual 120 minute theatrical cut (which seems high but possible to me, it's painfully easy to tell what stuff was all Whedon and there was a good deal of it: the Russian family is entirely new, the weird alien probe news interview, the opening scene where Batman fights a parademon, a bunch of the "standing around quipping" scenes, the post-credit race scene, etc) So basically there's potentially that remaining 3-ish hours of stuff that didn't make the Whedon cut, and potentially more footage from the rumored-to-be 5 hour assembly cut that wouldn't have made it to the theatrical cut anyway but could help fill out this new extended cut (or the mini-series idea they were floating). A large proportion of this stuff would not have seen post-production so we are talking footage of Ray Fisher in polka dot sfx pajamas and green screens everywhere, but that's what the extra 30 million dollars would be for.
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Pretty much every scene of exposition is a reshoot, it's mad.
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I don't know how directors guild rules work but it's pretty crazy to be Snyder's name was still on the original considering all the changes. Maybe it has to do with time on set?
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josh04 posted:Pretty much every scene of exposition is a reshoot, it's mad. It's terrible too. They have that scene of Lois and Marta talking in what totally looks like an abandoned set from The Office (with lighting that would embarrass the crew from The Office to boot) wearing terrible wigs and making a "thirsty" joke. It's like a parody of how badly someone could mangle someone's vision of a movie but it's real.
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josh04 posted:Pretty much every scene of exposition is a reshoot, it's mad. The most insulting scene, I think, is the one with Clark/Superman talking to Lois in the cornfield. It's Whedon trying to do Snyder and just cratering completely.
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I think the WB execs ultimately got what they wanted out of the Whedon cut. Being out of touch and all, they didn't realize that DCEU fans didn't want a bad Marvel movie, that general movie goers don't want bad movies, and that a lot of them were already turned off by the first two movies and course correcting at number 3 is probably too late. If you're pulling down a tidy profit, which as I understand it, MoS and BvS did, just release the movie in a state that people who liked the first two would enjoy. I'll never really understand how they managed to craft a movie that appeals to precisely no one.
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Guy A. Person posted:It's terrible too. They have that scene of Lois and Marta talking in what totally looks like an abandoned set from The Office (with lighting that would embarrass the crew from The Office to boot) wearing terrible wigs and making a "thirsty" joke. It's like a parody of how badly someone could mangle someone's vision of a movie but it's real. Yeah, that one shocked me. And there's a hillbilly farmer on the TV behind them when they walk in talking about being probed by aliens when the scene starts. After Flash saves a family near the end, there's this REALLY REALLY terrible bit of green screen effect that was absolutely shockingly bad. I remember looking around the theater thinking "am I having a stroke here? This is really this bad an in the movie?" JL is the first movie I've ever thought about walking out of it was so bad.
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Dreqqus posted:I think the WB execs ultimately got what they wanted out of the Whedon cut. Being out of touch and all, they didn't realize that DCEU fans didn't want a bad Marvel movie, that general movie goers don't want bad movies, and that a lot of them were already turned off by the first two movies and course correcting at number 3 is probably too late. Think about your average Facebook comment level movie opinions. Then realize that movie execs care about or understand movie artistry even less than that, and are just business people looking at numbers trying to maximize returns for their own bonuses.
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HE'S CINEMA'S GREATEST MONSTER. https://twitter.com/ZackSnyder/status/1263818773712101376?s=19
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gently caress, I never connected that it was him - he's so goddamn amazing when he shows up.
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On a complete aside, I was impressed when Bojack Horseman's reference to Zack Snyder last season was extremely tame for them. An actor shows up preparing for a role as a heroin-addicted Super Mario for Zack Snyder's Mario adaptation. For all the disgusting vitriol online I think there are a lot of people whose take on him, if they've heard of him, would probably be jokes along those lines. The level of hatred by his true haters is some of the most disproportionate I've ever seen, until you accept that it stems from him having attacked fanboyism etc.
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Is the success of The Joker partially responsible for WB green lighting the Snyder cut and apparently the directors cut of Suicide Squad? Did they figure out that letting a director do his thing can in fact sometimes result in financial and critical success?
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It's tough to pinpoint what WB's strategy is because they've been so inconsistent.
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I imagine every DCEU movie except Aquaman flopping ever since they hosed over Snyder probably had something to do with it too. It was an incredibly savvy move of Snyder to pitch it as a potential miniseries. Streaming services are gonna hit a big drought of content real soon, and spending a typical budget for a big-name streaming show on something that nobody has to meet in person for has to be an appealing proposition for execs.
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Dreqqus posted:If you're pulling down a tidy profit, which as I understand it, MoS and BvS did, just release the movie in a state that people who liked the first two would enjoy. I'll never really understand how they managed to craft a movie that appeals to precisely no one.
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