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what a surprise that the mcelroys are friends with another abusive person
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May 22, 2020 19:37
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have the mcelroys ever even mentioned zak s or interacted with him at all because there are enough people who are ready to hang them out to dry that I feel like I would have heard about it by now
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May 22, 2020 19:55
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DoctorWhat posted:It's poo poo like this that the McElroys should actually face criticism for. I mean, yeah, I agree, but on the other hand, I doubt Travis handpicked the lineup, if he is even is aware at all of the existence of Zak S, alleged serious abuser and rapist who once poo poo his pants in a Chik-fil-A, let alone the list of people who once defended him. There's a big gap between that and inferis posted:what a surprise that the mcelroys are friends with another abusive person
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May 22, 2020 19:57
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I wouldn't have any clue who he was if it weren't for this thread and the stickied one about him in games
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May 22, 2020 19:59
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my take is that as platform holders it is their moral obligation to be aware of stuff like this and factor it into their decision-making.
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May 22, 2020 20:05
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Yeah man they should have full background checks done on everyone they associate with as well as everyone those people associate with before they do anything at all
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May 22, 2020 20:15
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inferis posted:what a surprise that the mcelroys are friends with another abusive person seems like this should actually read "what a surprise that the mcelroys are appearing on a stream with another person who was friends with an abusive person and then disavowed him" not as snappy though eke out fucked around with this message at 20:21 on May 22, 2020 |
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May 22, 2020 20:17
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AndrewP posted:He mentions Clayton in the first minute of the latest one. This was on the polygon channel still I think; it’s going forward that they’re separate from now on. But if he’s part of the deal like the person above said then that’s great, clayton’s editing rules, and he’s 4 degrees of separation away from any known rapists or pants shitters, which is the minimum required Ainsley McTree fucked around with this message at 20:36 on May 22, 2020 |
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May 22, 2020 20:34
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eke out posted:seems like this should actually read "what a surprise that the mcelroys are appearing on a stream with another person who was friends with an abusive person and then disavowed him" I mean I don't think Travis has to answer for everyone he's on a clearly preset stream with but she does actually suck real bad and a lot of people don't give a poo poo about her eventual very weak 'disavowing' when she spent her time saying the guy who's a rapist and abuser is actually fine. It's not like Travis is inviting her on the show or anything and clearly of all the people involved in this the actual wizards employee is likely the one they'll always keep, but it does kinda blow to see him and the other good people's names with hers like she's not a complete loving ghoul. But then again Wizards just casually revealed they lied about even weakly reassigning the guy who actually covered for Zak and conducted a fake investigation on the claims while saying in private he was on Zak's side, and instead that guy will still be working on D&D so the whole company's full of scumbags at this point.
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May 22, 2020 21:06
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note that I'm not trying to get the mcelroys "cancelled" or whatever, just that there's a lot of loving bad stuff surrounding D&D. Admittedly still bitter about people in this very thread clamoring for the return to it during Amnesty and blaming all of that campaigns faults on not using a system whose rules they largely ignore anyway.
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May 22, 2020 21:11
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Crocoswine posted:Admittedly still bitter about people in this very thread that sounds unhealthy
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May 22, 2020 21:21
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Honestly the best thing Graduation has done is make me want to play a PbtA game, as it’s proof that the system wasn’t the issue with Amnesty.
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May 22, 2020 21:23
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To be fair I’ve been stumping for Pathfinder which I’m sure has all sorts of horrible people associated with as well. Possibly even ones who have poo poo their pants at a national chicken sandwich chain.
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May 22, 2020 21:23
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I initially bounced off of Friends at the Table, but hey it turns out being trapped in your home for three months makes you reconsider things. In that light, I eventually got into it. More because I found the game they use pretty cool, admittedly. I think it (the game system) would fit a hypothetical TAZ better. I also think maybe if the four them were players and got someone else to DM, that might be pretty neat! Probably not a thing that would happen though, the brand is "the McElroy Family" after all.
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May 22, 2020 21:34
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inferis posted:what a surprise that the mcelroys are friends with another abusive person that's quite a leap
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May 22, 2020 22:02
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The McElroy has been tapped to host a charity event in which one of the participants used to be associated with an abusive person
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May 22, 2020 22:30
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John Wick of Dogs posted:The McElroy has been tapped to host a charity event in which one of the participants used to be associated with an abusive person Kind of a bulky title but now that the Trolls one has wrapped I guess I'll give it a shot.
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May 22, 2020 22:32
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Clint should run Tales From The Loop and make the brothers play as themselves.
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May 23, 2020 00:51
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Warbird posted:To be fair I’ve been stumping for Pathfinder which I’m sure has all sorts of horrible people associated with as well. Possibly even ones who have poo poo their pants at a national chicken sandwich chain. Paizo at least actively hires trans people and other marginalized people and seem to try and do better than like the super lazy "sometimes elves are trans but the drow are violent transphobes!!" attempts at diversity D&D stumbles around into Doctor Reynolds posted:I also think maybe if the four them were players and got someone else to DM, that might be pretty neat! Probably not a thing that would happen though, the brand is "the McElroy Family" after all. The seal on this has been broken multiple times already with the Matt Mercer bonus episode and the Dadlands live show and Tiny Heist. It's been proven to work!
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May 23, 2020 01:14
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The only thing with that is you’d have to pay the DM and any competent podcast DM has their own podcast so why would they do someone else’s campaign and take away from their listens/money without being adequately compensated What I’m saying is I don’t think they’re willing to pay what it would take
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May 23, 2020 01:17
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Warbird posted:To be fair I’ve been stumping for Pathfinder which I’m sure has all sorts of horrible people associated with as well. Possibly even ones who have poo poo their pants at a national chicken sandwich chain. Pathfinder would be a bad fit. It doesn’t really work for podcasting/radio, for a lot of the same reasons that D&D doesn’t really work. Also Paizo is absolutely a very lovely company that’s pulled some terrible poo poo, but that’s a discussion for another day
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May 23, 2020 07:49
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thetoughestbean posted:Pathfinder would be a bad fit. It doesn’t really work for podcasting/radio, for a lot of the same reasons that D&D doesn’t really work. Glass Cannon uses pathfinder/starfinder and do a great job with it. VaultAggie fucked around with this message at 11:59 on May 23, 2020 |
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May 23, 2020 11:35
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both work fine for podcasts regardless of who worked on them
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May 23, 2020 11:58
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There's a difference between "it works" and "it's a good fit for podcasts (or even this one specifically)". The McElroys already had enough trouble with 5E rules, Pathfinder would be even worse.
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May 23, 2020 12:18
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Piell posted:There's a difference between "it works" and "it's a good fit for podcasts (or even this one specifically)". The McElroys already had enough trouble with 5E rules, Pathfinder would be even worse. yeah "give them even more mechanics they have to learn and more dice to roll" is pretty much the opposite of what i would like for this podcast
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May 23, 2020 13:47
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I had never seen gravity falls before, watching it now because my son is going through it, and wow I can see how it'll were comparing the last taz to it.
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May 23, 2020 14:04
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crunchy game systems only work for podcasts when everyone at the table is actually engaging with all the mechanics TAZ has never been this
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May 23, 2020 14:13
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eke out posted:yeah "give them even more mechanics they have to learn and more dice to roll" is pretty much the opposite of what i would like for this podcast It's not an issue of what the system gives them but they absolutely need to learn more mechanics and roll more dice to make a good podcast
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May 23, 2020 17:35
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I think Harmon Quest very technically uses Pathfinder, and while it's heavily edited for the show, I honestly don't know how much they actually engage with the mechanics.
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May 23, 2020 19:55
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Harmonquest struck me as a strictly sponsored thing. They discourage saying Dungeons and Dragons and have the game book very prominently displayed.
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May 24, 2020 00:54
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jeff davis go on mbmbam
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May 24, 2020 10:16
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The confederate president?
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May 24, 2020 14:13
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Jeff Davis get back here and finish signing my shirt from fifteen years ago. Colin Mochrie, Greg Proops and Brad Sherwood all signed their names and you just wrote "Best Wishes" wtf
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May 24, 2020 16:10
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Honestly, the dice rolls and rules are what make it fun. Otherwise it's just improv story time and the boys are just too nice to not "yes and" everything.
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May 24, 2020 17:26
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John Wick of Dogs posted:I had never seen gravity falls before, watching it now because my son is going through it, and wow I can see how it'll were comparing the last taz to it. When they were going through character creation, everyone on Twitter kept asking Clint if he had watched it, because his character was almost exactly Grunkle Stan
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May 24, 2020 17:35
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Optimus_Rhyme posted:Honestly, the dice rolls and rules are what make it fun. This is how I feel, too - TAZ is an improv show at its core, and things like dice rolls and overwritten game rules are the creative prompts that keep the show from just being a stream of consciousness radio play.
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May 24, 2020 17:35
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Optimus_Rhyme posted:Honestly, the dice rolls and rules are what make it fun. You can't trust the DM to be honest with a story in roll playing so you need the dice to force progress (and conflict) of the story.
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May 24, 2020 18:50
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It's true, every DM who hides their rolls has fudged them at least once for narrative's sake
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May 24, 2020 18:56
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change my name posted:It's true, every DM who hides their rolls has fudged them at least once for narrative's sake I fudge poo poo all the time. I'll also say "roll me an insight check" after an NPC says something that is completely true, and then no matter what the roll is, say "it seems to you like she's telling the truth!"
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May 24, 2020 18:59
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DoombatINC posted:This is how I feel, too - TAZ is an improv show at its core, and things like dice rolls and overwritten game rules are the creative prompts that keep the show from just being a stream of consciousness radio play. This wouldn't be such a bad thing though. Mission to Zyxx is exactly that (a stream of consciousness radio play where they have a loose plot and improv the rest) and it rules. Though it has much more editing and sound effects than the McElroys would ever do.
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