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central dogma posted:America would not survive all those at the same time, no. But if a scenario like that actually played out in the US, I wouldn't count on the rest of the world being untouched by it. Boy that's interesting to think about and hadn't considered that before. Totally unlike the last time the US suffered its civil war, the great depression, and 9/11 and the world was untouched by these events or the situations surrounding them, if it was affected now by the collapse of the American state, I think in fact that WOULD affect the rest of the world in some way. Man, that's really something.
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central dogma posted:America would not survive all those at the same time, no. But if a scenario like that actually played out in the US, I wouldn't count on the rest of the world being untouched by it. Well no because they'll nuke it.
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SHISHKABOB posted:Yeah and we've been doing great! "Weathered" is a fantastically hilarious term to use for the state of decay of the American Empire over the last 100 years. Why is "weathered" fantastically hilarious? Thats exactly the right term. "Weathered" doesn't mean "constantly improved", but rather "still standing". The UK also "weathered" its decline as a global empire.
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Big Beef City posted:Boy that's interesting to think about and hadn't considered that before. Everyone knows how smart you are BBC. Now go take your chill pill.
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May 23, 2020 15:40
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Funky See Funky Do posted:There really is no coming back from this for America is there? I don't just mean covid-19. I mean the whole poo poo show. Sorry if I do a politic here but I think it's because a pandemic is a stress that shows the flaws of any system in broad daylight. Like how come millions are losing their job but billionnaire are making mad money? The system is obviously broken and, like I said many time, we are in some kind of gilded age. Bleusilences fucked around with this message at 15:53 on May 23, 2020 |
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Big Beef City posted:Boy that's interesting to think about and hadn't considered that before. Country usually decay until it get absorb into something else. They rarely collapse and when then do they usually break into a bunch of entities.
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Bleusilences posted:Sorry if I do a politic here but I think it's because a pandemic is a stress that shows the flaws of any system in broad daylight. Lie how come millions are losing their job but billionnaire are making mad money? The system is obviously broken and, like I said many time in this time, we are in some kind of gilded age. In the past I think America was at least theoretically capable of addressing systemic issues. I think the rot is too deep. The corruption is too endemic and you all hate each other. I don't think the degree of distrust in the government and each other was this bad even during the Vietnam era. I can't even imagine what could happen that would bring you together as a nation to act for the common good.
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central dogma posted:America has weathered much much worse. Take a look at the US's colorful history. You can exclude the Civil War if you want and include just the last 100 years. Sure, "great" empires never reach a breaking point. Anyone who can't see what's coming is delusional or complicit, it's that simple.
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Funky See Funky Do posted:I can't even imagine what could happen that would bring you together as a nation to act for the common good. Another big war?
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nullEntityRNG posted:Cool. We literally have not learned from history. All it took was 100 years. Learning from history is a myth. The same people who died in the trenches of ww1 and dealt with it's fallout in ww2 went on to completely ignore the lessons they learned about giant global alliances and founded NATO and the Warsaw Pact. Literally the same people that lived the past couldn't learn from it. It's like how all the jokes about how the history books will read on this when the ones with the most exposure(schools) will have a paragraph at most about it because it happened after ww2. Kids these days dont know what agent orange was, you think we are going to write pages on just how much we cocked it up?
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Well to be honest NATO was a good idea, it just that people/nations weren't willing to carry through and the fact that nation has veto kind of hosed the whole thing. Just look at the WHO, they had to compromised with china by fellating them to be able to operate and have some goodwill from china.
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The US isn’t going anywhere anytime soon lmao
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actual litmus state for failed state is failed to enforce monopoly on violence, cuz thats what the state is the monopoly always has carveouts, usually to landlords and capitalists. but the us has carveout in the chud regions for white supremacy. but that was always the case
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black experience in america was never that of living in a lawful state w a monopoly on violence, but the us keeps on truckin
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What are the most recent events covered in modern American history books? I'm morbidly curious, but I don't feel like spending $100+ on one.
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Let's put this tread back on track, here is an article about what we talked earlier with the barbershop issues: https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/23/us/missouri-hairstylist-coronavirus-trnd/index.html
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May 23, 2020 16:42
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I wonder how hard it would be to create a facebook conspiracy page dedicated to waking up the sheeple that Bill Gates and the UN are going to use active voter registration records to organize forced vaccinations.
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I said come in! posted:https://www.kansascity.com/news/coronavirus/article242946596.html Imagine all the conversation Karen had with her clients while she was giving them the virus 
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Raskolnikov2089 posted:I wonder how hard it would be to create a facebook conspiracy page dedicated to waking up the sheeple that Bill Gates and the UN are going to use active voter registration records to organize forced vaccinations. Russians already 3 steps ahead of you but the thought counts!
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Raskolnikov2089 posted:I wonder how hard it would be to create a facebook conspiracy page dedicated to waking up the sheeple that Bill Gates and the UN are going to use active voter registration records to organize forced vaccinations. Probably the only way you guys can try and save what is left of the USA before you are run in the ground for the next 20 years and end up worse than a third world country (but hey freedom amirite).
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Could you imagine if the second american revolution would be named the COVID wars?
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FoolyCharged posted:Learning from history is a myth. The same people who died in the trenches of ww1 and dealt with it's fallout in ww2 went on to completely ignore the lessons they learned about giant global alliances and founded NATO and the Warsaw Pact. If anything those conflicts taught us that giant global alliances in some form are the best method of preventing such conflicts, and that their failures were due to being undermined by nationalist agendas. So, unfortunately it's you who managed to completely understand history backwards I guess. Can see this playing out in miniature during COVID as EU members pulled up their drawbridges and backstabbed one another over PPE sourcing.
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Jeza posted:Can see this playing out in miniature during COVID as EU members pulled up their drawbridges and backstabbed one another over PPE sourcing. Yeah should've kept the borders open, the more the merrier.
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Is there a thread where goons talk about leaving the US permanently? Anyone here leave for my pipe dream country, Canada?
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Bleusilences posted:Could you imagine if the second american revolution would be named the COVID wars? there is going to be so much mud slinging and blame pinning after the scale of the impact on the economy becomes clear who knows what it will be called.
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How about some happy news, thread? The people who keep testing positive for extended periods of time are probably just shedding dead virus. The RNA of the virions is still getting picked up by RT-PCR, but it won't grow in culture/kill people. https://twitter.com/ScottGottliebMD/status/1263989372317294594
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Oh boy, even goons are now doomsaying over this. Feels pretty grim to be honest.
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Rolo posted:Is there a thread where goons talk about leaving the US permanently? Probably not a great time to try to leave, or go anywhere, really. Maybe in a few years, though...
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Zugzwang posted:How about some happy news, thread? The people who keep testing positive for extended periods of time are probably just shedding dead virus. The RNA of the virions is still getting picked up by RT-PCR, but it won't grow in culture/kill people. Don't most viral infections end this way?
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Gwyneth Palpate posted:Probably not a great time to try to leave, or go anywhere, really. Maybe in a few years, though... Yeah not tomorrow but I’d like to someday.
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central dogma posted:Why is "weathered" fantastically hilarious? Thats exactly the right term. "Weathered" doesn't mean "constantly improved", but rather "still standing". The UK also "weathered" its decline as a global empire. Weathered means "in good standing".
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central dogma posted:Don't most viral infections end this way? I mean, we still don't know for sure how long the infectious period lasts, and I'm sure it varies by individual, but this helps answer some nagging questions. Unfortunately culture is one of the most time-consuming types of tests/least straightforward to make portable(ish), so lots of people will be testing positive without knowing whether they're actually infectious.
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Don't be. That belongs in every thread.
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Backweb posted:Lol oops. I meant to post in the cspam thread where everybody is crack-pinging with covidbrain. They should book a swingers cruise with Burt and his wife.
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The second America thinks its proper hosed its going to do everything it can to drag the rest of the world down with it.
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Rolo posted:Is there a thread where goons talk about leaving the US permanently? Border of Canada is closed for at least another month. US/Canada joint decision to keep it closed came last week or so. Essential trade is allowed, but you're not moving to Canada right now. And here's a lovely article detailing it: https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/news/2020/05/19/coronavirus-us-canada-border-closure-extended-until-least-june-21/5222731002/
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SHISHKABOB posted:Weathered means "in good standing". Not to me. But there is always newspeak.
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Rolo posted:Is there a thread where goons talk about leaving the US permanently? It actually can be surprisingly hard to move to Canada but if you actually want to your best bet is to do a university or college (i.e. community college) degree here and qualify for the post-grad work visa. The good news is schools are going to be super desperate for international students really soon because they're a big moneymaker. The bad news is you'll be paying like 4 times the tuition as a local. Still might be cheaper that school in the US thanks to the dollar being in the toilet though! Otherwise your only option really is to get a company to sponsor you and lol at that happening in this economy. It can be a loving nightmare even when times are good and there's legitimate gaps in the workforce. It's a lot easier for Europeans to move here and get residency because reciprocal working holiday visas count as qualifying work experience but for some reason the US doesn't want to have one of those with Canada 
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I have to write this down because it seems insane As of may 22, 2020, it has become normal and "ok" that 100,000 Americans died in a couple of months of a weird virus, because Donner J Kebump a celebrity reality tv show host became president of the most powerful nation on earth, mostly by appealing to dumbs or racists, which turned out to be a way bigger fanbase than expected, enough to make reelection very likely Oh and said virus is apparently just getting started, but people "got bored" of dealing with it To compare, in the previous 2000's decade, about 3,000 Americans died in 9/11 and it triggered a global war and the world changed forever and it was a huge tragedy when like 500 soldiers died in said war I don't have a point, just thought it was super weird. I feel like in 2021 onward there's going to be conversations like "Look, I know you're racist, I don't want to offend you and clearly there's nothing wrong with being racist, some of my good friends are racists, I just don't think it's a great thing to be" "Well you gotta respect my right to be racist", I don't know I can't even predict anything at this point, the 2000's were sad and gloomy but predictable because "well these guys in charge are smart and probably motivated by money or power" so you could kinda see where it was going, but today it's just stupidity all around Measles are back, people can't wear face masks because they feel bad doing it, people are coughing on each other as an attack, it's like nobody knows how viruses work or spread in general, oh yeah drat the internet DID make us stupid I just saw "Invictus" which is a Nelson Mandela + Rugby mashup movie and it's got some nice quotes by Mandela and honestly it feels like Sci Fi right now edit: This could have been over in like 2 weeks if everyone worked together like in the movies Comfy Fleece Sweater fucked around with this message at 18:04 on May 23, 2020 |
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Rolo posted:Yeah not tomorrow but I’d like to someday. My long-term plans have also changed to "figure out how to move to another country that at least half-heartedly pretends to care about its citizens."
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