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Ayin posted:Reading this, I suddenly wonder if this movie is why Disney had someone else do Episode 8 I'm pretty sure Abrams did Into Darkness before The Force Awakens. My recollection is that Abrams was burned out after busting rear end to meet the deadline for Force Awakens.
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Yup. Into Darkness was also a huge financial success, like it or not, and has others have pointed out Abrams basically used NuTrek as his demo reel to prove he could do Star Wars-style space movies.
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# ? May 19, 2020 20:27 |
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Well thanks for sharing that essay, now I need to lie facedown on the floor and have FEELINGS about the relationships between Spock, Kirk, and Bones. Honest to god one of the best triune character dynamics in fiction history, even Abrams couldn’t totally gently caress it up
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I like to imagine that after DS9 Sisko starts quantum leaping through Bajor improving peoples lives. and if you notice and catch him he smiles, winks, and vanishes in a puff of Orb Light.
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# ? May 20, 2020 05:49 |
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The Skeep posted:I like to imagine that after DS9 Sisko starts quantum leaping through Bajor improving peoples lives. and if you notice and catch him he smiles, winks, and vanishes in a puff of Orb Light. Touched by a Sisko
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# ? May 20, 2020 06:07 |
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Honestly that actually seems pretty fitting. Though I still prefer the version where he's living with Kasidy and their kid somewhere out in the Bajoran countryside and no one on the planet will tell you, but there is a place increasingly well known for its fusion Bajoran-Cajun cuisine.
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# ? May 20, 2020 07:32 |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnaCnbgim6o
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# ? May 20, 2020 07:35 |
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Does extended book canon ever make into tumblr memes, like Star Trek: New Frontier and such, or is that too much even for them to contend with?
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I want more stuff with Scott and his new apprentice/daughter figure.
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Probably Magic posted:Does extended book canon ever make into tumblr memes, like Star Trek: New Frontier and such, or is that too much even for them to contend with? not so much the memes but people talk about it. there's a lot of... mixed feelings. there are a lot of people who read it, but they mostly fall into two camps: 1. yay! any kind of content for Thing i like! out-of-context sentences that make spock/kirk sound credible! lwaxana gets her own book!! lwaxana meets q!!! wow wow wow!!!!!! 2. "these books are unconscionably bad" and/or when someone asks about ST canon someone saying "we never find out in the show. in the book [title], we find out he learned it by going to the mirror universe and banging a bit part character who showed up in one episode who can do risian karate now "
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# ? May 21, 2020 02:10 |
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here's an example of some bona fide star trek tumblog discourse about Bashir, I mentioned that the genetic engineering plotline gets a lot of chatter:quote:Julian's enhancements - both in terms of exactly what was done to him, and how they did it - are one of the things I find most fascinating about his character. And probably the most interesting thing in DS9, if I'm entirely honest with myself. I'm an absolute sucker for the sort of moral quandary his enhancements provide. Plus, I find the whole question of what is and what is not deemed necessary in terms of his enhancement an interesting one, as I think it reflects what sort of attributes are considered integral in 24th century society. For example, his intelligence has been massively enhanced, but his outward appearance? Not so much. He's good looking, yes, but he's not some muscled hunk of a man who looks like he could bench press a stupidly large weight with relative ease, which does say interesting things about the society he lives in, I think. quote:I admit, I personally have some rather conflicted feelings about it as a move for his character. It's something I think could be very interesting, but wasn't handled especially well in canon. quote:Julian's augmentation is something that I love as a concept, but found the execution of it in the show both underwhelming, and more than a little disappointing. It had so much potential as a plot line, and I feel like a lot of that was squandered. Possibly to avoid some of the trickier moral quandaries his enhancements throw up. As an idea, especially given what happened with Khan and the Eugenics Wars, having an augmented character is interesting. It offers a lot of opportunities to really explore the legacy of Khan and those wars, and the 'blind spot' the Federation has with regards to augmented members of the population. The Federation penalties for augments are very harsh - especially for the augment, who I would say is the victim in the scenario. Julian himself really couldn't be anything but a victim, given that he was 7 when he was sent for genetic re-sequencing - it was hardly his choice. quote:I completely agree that, above all, it’s wasted potential. There is a lot there. I mean, I’ve even thought, “well, is this ‘powerlust’ among augmented persons really inherent, or was it more of a reflection of a culture at the time of the Eugenics Wars that placed intelligence as the singular defining characteristic of a person, therefore inflating the egos of people who were very smart but hadn’t been instructed in matters of empathy, as that quality was not sufficiently valued?” I hate going back to well-designed and well-implemented behavioral experiments on rats, because their broad conclusions are always dangerously over-applied, far far far far beyond what the researchers themselves recommended. BUT it broaches the question, then, of what’s inherently genetic, what’s a product of environment, and what exists at the interface. I don’t think Star Trek could be given the burden of _answering_ that question, but I do think it could have helped _explore that dilemma_. Or at least, if it went into it at all, go into it with somewhat more care. quote:I've always thought that the idea of powerlust going hand in hand with augmentation is an interesting one. I'm not entirely sure I agree with it, as it sort of suggests that the augments were unable to express any form of empathy or self-reflection at all, which seems like an awfully convenient way of creating a 'big bad' without actually having to add any sort of nuance to the discussion. As odd as it sounds, the whole idea of having Extra Humans(TM) was much better explored, in my opinion, in X-Men. In Star Trek, the idea seems to fall a little flat on its face, as it's just a slightly different re-hash of the whole 'mad scientist' trope, with the difficult questions sort of swept under the rug - I'm actually sort of sick of seeing bad behaviour by 'brilliant people' excused simply because they are academically brilliant, as if that completely precludes the ability to empathise with others (but that's a rant for another time). quote:Yes, I think the notion that the Augments are inherently power-hungry is narratively cheap. I do think there is something to be said for how culture plays up certain people as "natural leaders" and that they might pick up on it from there, as someone who is born incredibly wealthy, or as royalty, etc. So they might lend themselves to it, because it's lent to them; as such, it would say more about broader society and its values than any inherent attributes of a baby whose genes have been meddled with. You're right to be skeptical of the "Sherlock" model where someone can be a terror or a complete jerk and disobey the rules that ostensibly exist for "lesser people" if they're just so gosh-darn inherently superior. (Sorry if you like that show, personally I found that aspect morally odious from day one and didn't make it far in the series. The converse, "Elementary", was interesting for deliberately and relentlessly puncturing this idea and for that I liked it quite a bit.) quote:I agree that the idea that Augments are ‘born to lead’ is something that does hold up a mirror to 24th century society and its values. It suggests that, despite the ways that things have changed and ‘improved’, there are still problematic ideological hangovers from the past. Which does sort of gel with other things in canon. Yes, things on the whole have improved, but I wouldn’t say that the Federation is the utopia it believes itself to be (or once believed itself to be). 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The idea 'augmentation makes you power-hungry' I think is potentially an unfortunate side effect of trying to combine the story of Space Seed with the later popular concept of genetic modification. Khan isn't a vat grown super soldier because the writers didn't conceive of that possibility. He is an aristocrat, a celebrity, a rich politician of the elite. He is a charismatic monster that people obey because he is 'better' than us. The eugenics breeding program is perhaps better understood through the lens of class - the 'virtuous' warrior noble who for most of human history has controlled society. His people do not mix with ours, as the rich do not mix with the poor. Edit: sorry for going offtopic, I forgot this was the tumblr thread lol
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I thought the implication was less that augmentation causes megalomania and more the augments grew up being told they were perfect supermen and it gave them an impossible standard to live up to, because if the're not being the perfect rulers of the galaxy then what are they good for? Bashir grew up knowing that was a shameful secret he had to keep, which hosed with his head in a different way. There's a lot of missed opportunities with the augments, including that one TNG episode where another humanlike alien race had engineered super-soldier Rambos and then exiled them out of sight after the war was over and they all had PTSD.
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mossyfisk posted:The idea 'augmentation makes you power-hungry' I think is potentially an unfortunate side effect of trying to combine the story of Space Seed with the later popular concept of genetic modification. It's not off topic at all? This thread is also for discussing what I find and bring over. What you had was good insight 100% applicable to that content.
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Pick posted:not so much the memes but people talk about it. there's a lot of... mixed feelings. The exception to this rule should always be "How Much for Just the Planet" by John M. Ford. That book rules.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:I thought the implication was less that augmentation causes megalomania and more the augments grew up being told they were perfect supermen and it gave them an impossible standard to live up to, because if the're not being the perfect rulers of the galaxy then what are they good for? Bashir grew up knowing that was a shameful secret he had to keep, which hosed with his head in a different way. There's an alternate universe where the Augments and the Changelings covert wars to take over the Federation from the inside ran into one another and exploded into open conflict and I want to go there.
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mind the walrus posted:There's an alternate universe where the Augments and the Changelings covert wars to take over the Federation from the inside ran into one another and exploded into open conflict and I want to go there. Speaking of missed opportunities, the Dominion's whole thing is genetically modified servitor races, and the Jem'Hadar and sometimes Vorta are notably characterised as tragic figures because of what was done to them. I think it might have been beta canon, but I'd absolutely believe the Changelings were the end stage of their own genetic modification program. I also like the idea that the Great Link is stagnant, while Laas demonstrates that their shapeshifting has possibly no skill ceiling and could put them on Q tier (or at least 'alien god of the week' tier) if they put in a few millennia of effort.
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There's a certain sense in that too, that no one even really knows the Dominion Founder race after Millennia of tampering and the Changelings just assumed the title.
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tumblr seems like a nicer place for discussion, and in general, than i was led to believe
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# ? May 23, 2020 21:35 |
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The Nazis and Chuds misrepresented something they disliked in the mainstream to sway popular opinion against it!? What is this world coming to when you can't trust a Nazi.
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Tumblr's not perfect, but I'll take a bunch of teenagers with an imperfect understanding of leftist ideas over twitter"s straight up nazis.
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mind the walrus posted:The Nazis and Chuds misrepresented something they disliked in the mainstream to sway popular opinion against it!? What is this world coming to when you can't trust a Nazi. well, it was SA that gave me the impression that tumblr was the fandom midden heap of the net so i guess i'm saying this post checks out
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Roth posted:Tumblr's not perfect, but I'll take a bunch of teenagers with an imperfect understanding of leftist ideas over twitter"s straight up nazis. whats an upnazi
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hard counter posted:well, it was SA that gave me the impression that tumblr was the fandom midden heap of the net
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The way tumblr works means there's entire huge communities that can be completely unaware of each other. From what I heard, fandom tumblr is usually alright and porn tumblr is great while progressive tumblr rapidly becomes a Mean Girls dumpster fire.
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The nice (?) thing about Tumblr is that it's basically too dumb to monetize. There's no timestamps on posts, so when you find a blog you just have to guess if its most recent post was yesterday or 2011. For a while when you reblogged something you could just edit the reblog and pretend the OP said something else entirely.
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hard counter posted:tumblr seems like a nicer place for discussion, and in general, than i was led to believe tumblr is nice because, much like SA, no one has ever figured out how to monetize it in any way that makes sense. also posts are just chronological, they never found like... a better algorithm. chronological posts by the people you follow. no one can be an "influencer" on it. there are bad parts I assume but tbh you don't really run into them randomly. maybe once or twice you get a whiff but they're basically 100% invisible to you if you're just hanging out in your part. anyway the humor is pretty great. I like it. Pick fucked around with this message at 06:25 on May 25, 2020 |
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though don't get me wrong... tumblr has one true passion...
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Roth posted:Tumblr's not perfect, but I'll take a bunch of teenagers with an imperfect understanding of leftist ideas over twitter"s straight up nazis. i saw this one and thought of one of your posts
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That is depressingly relevant to Star Trek too. When I watch DS9 with some of my LGBT+ friends I have to put it in context "Ok so it's a dark spot but basically there is no G in space. There is sometimes LB, but only when they're aliens and only when it's "hot," and T+ exists but only when it's alien-aliens. This all comes mostly from one dude high up who found it "icky" even though there's no substantial record of anyone else on the productions giving much of a gently caress.
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Roth posted:Tumblr's not perfect, but I'll take a bunch of teenagers with an imperfect understanding of leftist ideas over twitter"s straight up nazis. And if you're unlucky enough to catch their attention... good luck tumblr's antiharrassment capabilities are very inadequate. (Admittedly not as bad as Twitter's, but.. that's not a compliment) There's also poo poo like Columbine superfans that keep trying to get into the Doom community because one of the shooters made a few maps The good parts of tumblr are really good, but it really suffers from incompetent and uncaring owners. Hopefully someone will someday make an ActivityPub-based clone.
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Ayin posted:There are absolutely nazis on tumblr -- it's just that they generally stick to each other, or engage in fandoms that are already nazi-adjacent or dogwhistley. Oh, I'm aware. I used tumblr for a long time before deactivating my account last year. They're a bit more hidden on tumblr compared to twitter, for better or worse. I still remember serial killer fandom types talking about how hot a white shoremacist shooter was on tumblr.
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# ? May 25, 2020 22:37 |
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also one thing is like, tumblr's rep is from about 10 years ago. but it's mostly got the same users, only fewer. so a lot of people on tumblr are old enough for older-person memes, like so:
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mind the walrus posted:That is depressingly relevant to Star Trek too. When I watch DS9 with some of my LGBT+ friends I have to put it in context "Ok so it's a dark spot but basically there is no G in space. There is sometimes LB, but only when they're aliens and only when it's "hot," and T+ exists but only when it's alien-aliens. This all comes mostly from one dude high up who found it "icky" even though there's no substantial record of anyone else on the productions giving much of a gently caress.
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Pick posted:though don't get me wrong... tumblr has one true passion... Lol, what an ending!
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