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TOOT BOOT posted:I don't mean from the virus, I mean in a broader sense. He basically said 'I have to weigh the concern of losing people to covid versus the concern of losing people to suicide or overdose' The other thing to consider, and this is getting way into the weeds and into territory where it should be on health departments no individual priest etc. should be expected to make the call, is that the longer this goes on the more those at-risk individuals are going to be at increased risk. It does people who need counseling no good if it's available for a few weekends because things get relaxed and then it gets extended months more because the spread worsens and people clamp down. Basically it's the kind of public health thing that needs to be done in a measured, considered way with a lot of attention paid to the best information we have about how it's being spread.
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# ? May 23, 2020 20:48 |
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It's certainly true that we're struggling more with mental health during this time, but I would suggest caution when extending that fact to the conclusion that we should "reopen" or go back to holding normal-ish church services. The reality is that medical professionals and clergy alike must deal with both the COVID-19 crisis and an increase in mental health issues, and we should support them in those. First, don't underestimate the frightening power of exponential growth and just how contagious this disease is. It's well documented how quickly COVID-19 can spread in a church/choir/funeral/etc setting. The pandemic hasn't been quite so bad (yet) in places that enacted social distancing, stay-at-home, mask wearing, and other measures, but ask someone from Northern Italy how things are and you'd probably get an intense reaction. I liken the situation to a pile of kindling. Right now, most places are keeping the fuel wet and making sure it doesn't pile up. If we relax measures and get a big pile of dry twigs and leaves, a spark might not land in it after all. But if it does catch a spark, the whole thing is going up in flames very rapidly. Congregations meeting for worship or other activities is playing with fire. You're risking a large portion of your community being infected all at once. Second, be wary of the "cure can't be worse than the disease" line of reasoning. At least in the US that is a right-wing talking point used to justify loosening restrictions purely for economic (money) concerns. I'm not suggesting anyone here is endorsing that, but encouraging us all to be cautious and skeptical of that thinking. Mental health and economic concerns are valid, certainly, but when we start weighing human lives and money I think it's obvious which is more valuable from a Christian perspective. We should do our utmost to save lives from both pandemic and mental/social effects of isolation, the economy be damned.
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# ? May 23, 2020 20:52 |
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Josef bugman posted:I did not know that! I don't think anyone I know, even my grandma, had anyone but family around when they passed. They did occasionally have priests visit but not for long and certainly not when they were fully in the process of dying. It’s a important part of the education in most seminaries. Most denominations spend time in hospitals while in seminary ministering to the dying. They do this as pastors for their congregations too. They occasionally have to do it for other faiths entirely a: you are here and nobody else is so do as best you can type situations. It has been talked about in the thread before.
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# ? May 23, 2020 21:01 |
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Bar Ran Dun posted:Its a important part of the education in most seminaries. Most denominations spend time in hospitals while in seminary ministering to the dying. They do this as pastors for their congregations too. I must have missed the discussion unfortunately, sorry for my ignorance. I just always assumed it was with people dying of none communicable things I suppose. Or visiting the sick but getting out of the way if there are doctors around.
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# ? May 23, 2020 21:09 |
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Worthleast posted:Sorry, what? People are dying! and there's more than one Orthodox thing you do with a corpse--when the person is dying, the day after, the service at the church, the service at the grave, and a service 40 days after the death, which is when the soul finally goes to heaven. or hell. when an Orthodox person dies that creates a lot of work for everyone else. Someone has to make the death porridge, for instance.
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# ? May 23, 2020 21:11 |
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WrenP-Complete posted:In addition to being with the sick and dying, tending to the corpses of the dead (saying Psalms, washing the bodies) is one of the most sacred religious obligations in Judaism. https://www.etsy.com/il-en/listing/749242499/russian-orthodox-old-believer-burial Somewhat comforting that I know exactly what will happen to my body when I die; I've been to two Orthodox funerals.
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# ? May 23, 2020 21:15 |
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Not to be too flippant or macabre, but "death porridge" is about the most stereotypically Russian/Slavic thing I can imagine
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# ? May 23, 2020 21:22 |
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HEY GUNS posted:same with the more traditionalist branches of Orthodoxy. You can buy the clothing they put the corpse in on Etsy. Yes, in our tradition men lead/partake in some important services, get married, and are buried in the same kind of garment - called a kittel. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kittel (Women also are buried in a kittel but don't use them for those other purposes) They look similar between the traditions.
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Fritz the Horse posted:Second, be wary of the "cure can't be worse than the disease" line of reasoning. At least in the US that is a right-wing talking point used to justify loosening restrictions purely for economic (money) concerns. I'm not suggesting anyone here is endorsing that, but encouraging us all to be cautious and skeptical of that thinking. Mental health and economic concerns are valid, certainly, but when we start weighing human lives and money I think it's obvious which is more valuable from a Christian perspective. We should do our utmost to save lives from both pandemic and mental/social effects of isolation, the economy be damned. I think in this specific context, the thought is about the people who are being told that what was a couple of weeks (fine) and then has been a couple of months, will certainly be a couple of months more, quite likely more like a year, possibly multiple years, and could be "forever, or at least, for the rest of this life." Now I doubt it will actually come to pass like that (though a couple months/a year total time frame don't seem implausible) but in the west at least we have managed to go a hundred years without an epidemic like this, so nobody much really knows about this in their bones. e: what would probably be one of the greatest boons a religious group could do for its members, based on my on-the-ground herbivore judgment, is to have someone prepare a regular update with links on the state of play with health and vaccine/treatment news, ideally presenting psychological grounds for optimism in an honest way. It probably wouldn't drive clicks but it could save suffering. Nessus fucked around with this message at 21:49 on May 23, 2020 |
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Fritz the Horse posted:Not to be too flippant or macabre, but "death porridge" is about the most stereotypically Russian/Slavic thing I can imagine this is not the greatest wikipedia entry, but look at this mystery-cult-rear end poo poo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koliva
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# ? May 23, 2020 22:21 |
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The tattoo megathread is currently on page 666 and so there’s a whole bunch of baphomet/satan tats being posted. In case you’re interested.
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Nessus posted:e: what would probably be one of the greatest boons a religious group could do for its members, based on my on-the-ground herbivore judgment, is to have someone prepare a regular update with links on the state of play with health and vaccine/treatment news, ideally presenting psychological grounds for optimism in an honest way. It probably wouldn't drive clicks but it could save suffering. Hm, I could help with this. My hours were cut in half by work and I'm helping with a public health outreach project to make coronavirus science news more accessible to lay people anyway. I wonder what's already being done in terms of disseminating that to faith communities.
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HEY GUNS posted:and there's more than one Orthodox thing you do with a corpse--when the person is dying, the day after, the service at the church, the service at the grave, and a service 40 days after the death, which is when the soul finally goes to heaven. or hell. Tell me more about death porridge E: f, you already posted the link. Interesting stuff! Tias fucked around with this message at 12:48 on May 24, 2020 |
# ? May 24, 2020 12:40 |
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My wife's family is of Ukrainian descent and they make this for (orthodox) Christmas.
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# ? May 24, 2020 15:37 |
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Could I ask folks to add 50s Girl Groupon to your prayers? Maybe reach out too? She (he?...I'm unsure on pronouns) is going thru lymphoma and it sounds about 10 times worse than my cancer experience. Reading that diary thread has brought up a lot of the old feels for me. I remember people reaching out and the joy that brought me...maybe we could give 50s Girl some of that.
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# ? May 24, 2020 15:53 |
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Health update: I beat the kidney infection. Weird side effect from Covid: I no longer have any sense of smell. No, really, I can't smell anything at all! So physically, I'm recovering and doing fine under the circumstances. Being out of breath is still something that is slowly, S L O W L Y getting better. Mentally on the other hand...not doing good at all. Two years of exactly ZERO social contact (No, really, it has been more than two years since I last spoke to another human being in real life, and it's been more than one year since my phone rang) is taking it's toll on me.
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# ? May 24, 2020 16:53 |
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BattyKiara posted:Health update: I beat the kidney infection. Weird side effect from Covid: I no longer have any sense of smell. No, really, I can't smell anything at all! Well, it's good to know that your world doesn't stink anymore. I don't know or understand your situation and why you can't interact with people, but you remain in my prayers. May the presence of God comfort you. You've obviously been through a lot.
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# ? May 24, 2020 17:04 |
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Batty, are you a researcher somewhere or perhaps a Desert Father?
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# ? May 24, 2020 18:25 |
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BattyKiara posted:Health update: I beat the kidney infection. Weird side effect from Covid: I no longer have any sense of smell. No, really, I can't smell anything at all!
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# ? May 24, 2020 19:50 |
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Worthleast posted:Batty, are you a researcher somewhere or perhaps a Desert Father?
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# ? May 24, 2020 19:51 |
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Whoops. Desert Mother then. Hopefully we can provide some social interaction. Do you like knock-knock jokes?
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# ? May 24, 2020 20:22 |
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Hey Guns had it right. And yes, I like silly jokes. Did you hear about the shapeshifting tractor? It turned into a field!
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# ? May 24, 2020 21:38 |
Why did future chief justice Snoop Dogg carry an umbrella with him? For drizzle. Why is Quentin Tarantino directing the next Flintstones cartoon? he knows about needing feet to go
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# ? May 24, 2020 21:45 |
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Did you hear about the new Pirate movie? It's rated PG-13.
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Why do Buddhists not vacuum the corners? no attachments
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# ? May 24, 2020 21:50 |
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What costume did the pickup wear for Halloween? A monster truck! What has four wheels and flies? A garbage truck! How do trucks cook dinner? On their grills!
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# ? May 24, 2020 21:57 |
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Boy it's like a neverending struggle trying to deal with toxic relatives while trying to be equanimous and forgiving.
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# ? May 24, 2020 21:58 |
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Fritz the Horse posted:It's certainly true that we're struggling more with mental health during this time, but I would suggest caution when extending that fact to the conclusion that we should "reopen" or go back to holding normal-ish church services. The reality is that medical professionals and clergy alike must deal with both the COVID-19 crisis and an increase in mental health issues, and we should support them in those. I think the thing we need to accept is that "normal" doesn't exist any more. How does the Church look in this new world? Like to stick to administration of the sacrament we have to accept that chances are for the next few years churches get to choose two out of: 1) regular communion 2)the common cup 3)not killing your congregation
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# ? May 24, 2020 22:13 |
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zonohedron posted:What costume did the pickup wear for Halloween? A monster truck! zonohedron why do you know so many truck jokes?!
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# ? May 24, 2020 22:13 |
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zonohedron posted:What costume did the pickup wear for Halloween? A monster truck! My uncle was a big fan of tractors. He had about twenty sitting in his yard, in various states of repair. Tractor parts in the sink, sump oil on the rug, his house was a real state. One day my aunt sat him down. She said "it's these tractors or me." My uncle was bummed, but he loved his wife. So he phoned a dealer, and sold every one of those tractors. He made a bit of money by it as well. He took his fistfull of notes, and went down to the local pub. He was pretty sad about losing his tractors, but he wanted to spread the wealth a bit. He bought everyone pints, but he wasn't feeling any happier. He sat in the corner smoking and drinking. The air above his head was thick with a fug of booze, cigarette smoke and sadness. Suddenly he stood up. He took a deep breath, and inhaled all that smoke and beer smell and fumes, and walked outside and breathed it all into the sky. The air in the pub was as clear as champagne. "How the hell did you do that?" the barman said. "It's not hard when you're an ex-tractor fan" my uncle replied.
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# ? May 24, 2020 22:20 |
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This got a belly laugh out of me. The Dalai Lama walks into a pizzaria and says "please make me one with everything"
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# ? May 24, 2020 23:27 |
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Nth Doctor posted:The Dalai Lama walks into a pizzaria and says "please make me one with everything" The worker responded “that’ll be $4.50.” The Dalai Lama handed over five dollars. “My change?,” the Dalai Lama asked? The worker responded, “Change must come from within.”
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Thirteen Orphans posted:The worker responded “that’ll be $4.50.” The Dalai Lama handed over five dollars. “My change?,” the Dalai Lama asked? The worker responded, “Change must come from within.” Ah, I see you are also well cultured
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# ? May 24, 2020 23:51 |
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“Physically impossible!” https://youtu.be/xlIrI80og8c
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# ? May 25, 2020 00:02 |
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Nessus posted:Why do Buddhists not vacuum the corners? no attachments I posted this original joke in an old Buddhism thread: “Have you heard about the Sutra that denies the existence of Avalokiteshvara? It’s considered by most to be non-Kannon-ical.
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# ? May 25, 2020 00:29 |
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HopperUK posted:zonohedron why do you know so many truck jokes?! My younger son loves vehicles. One of his "all about trucks" books - I think it's actually by National Geographic? - has a groaner like that on every page. I used to be able to skip reading those when that book was selected as the book read at bedtime, but my older son insists I read the jokes, too. These days I've been reading Ann Leckie's Ancillary trilogy, with occasional ad lib editing; inadvertantly on-topic for the thread because the one I'm reading right now is Ancillary Sword, which starts with the point of view character arriving on a space station where the locals are celebrating a solemn religious holiday with meditation, song, and decorating the corridors with sparkly garlands of neon penises. (I did not read any of the description of the Genitalia Festival aloud.)
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# ? May 25, 2020 01:44 |
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Let's have some religious jokes in the religion thread: Three pets went to Heaven, and God asks each of them "What did you believe in life to make you worthy of Heaven?" The large dog answers: I believed in guarding my master from harm and protected his home from robbers. "Very well, you are worthy of Heaven, come in" The small dog answers: I believed in keeping my master happy, and in comforting him when he felt sad. "You are a good boy, welcome to Heaven" The cat answers: I believe, God, that you are sitting in my seat right now, so move!
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# ? May 25, 2020 12:44 |
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"Jokes for starting a sermon" is a... well, it's a google search, for sure.quote:Little Susie was watching her father, a pastor, write a sermon. quote:A preacher was completing a temperance sermon: with great expression he said, "If I had all the beer in the world, I'd take it and throw it into the river."
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https://twitter.com/bethbourdon/status/1264702232227971072
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https://orthodoxia.info/news/a-note-on-the-common-communion-spoon/
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