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Dr Subterfuge posted:An Annie existed in this universe, just not the two that are presently in it. Really interested in seeing what Kat has to say about the Tic Toc. If she's never seen one before, it sort of suggests that future Kat is keeping them secret from herself to prevent time shenanigans. And I imagine the reason she looks embarrassed is because she made, or is at least planning on making use of, a creepy surveillance bird. Sure one did I guess, but just the other page Kat mentioned how "neither of you should be here". I mean who knows but its interesting!
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Splicer posted:Theory: she made a tobot bird that can talk to itself in other timelines, while assuming other Kat's were doing the same. I love any theory that involves Kat interacting with the Kats of other timelines. Twenty Four posted:Sure one did I guess, but just the other page Kat mentioned how "neither of you should be here". I mean who knows but its interesting! She's just repeating what the arbiter told her. Though maybe with the Tic Toc she has more information.
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May 25, 2020 15:45
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i'm hoping for a good old bootstraps paradox, where kat finds spybirds from another timeline, learns to make her own to search other timelines for her annie, which inspires another kat somewhere else, etc.
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May 25, 2020 16:20
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looking forward to this comic veering into heady existentialist scifi
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May 25, 2020 16:24
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Ooh, this was a very unexpected turn! My mind didn't go towards the idea of Kat having built the TikToks as a time travel shenanigan, but now that it was brought up, I could imagine the TikToks being made by Kat to check on Annie in the past/other timelines? It feels pretty odd that she'd do that and I'm sure the story won't go into that direction, but some sort of a "I need to check if Annie was in timeline Y in timeframe X to verify thing Z" -mindset seems vaguely plausible.
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May 25, 2020 16:38
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Regy Rusty posted:Ooh what if only Forest Annie recognizes the Tic Toc This gave me good spooky pricklies, I love that kind of plot development. Super excited to see the Tic-Tocs finally come back into play!
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Dr Subterfuge posted:I love any theory that involves Kat interacting with the Kats of other timelines. Hempuli posted:Ooh, this was a very unexpected turn! My mind didn't go towards the idea of Kat having built the TikToks as a time travel shenanigan, but now that it was brought up, I could imagine the TikToks being made by Kat to check on Annie in the past/other timelines? It feels pretty odd that she'd do that and I'm sure the story won't go into that direction, but some sort of a "I need to check if Annie was in timeline Y in timeframe X to verify thing Z" -mindset seems vaguely plausible. Aw, poo poo. Neither Annie is supposed to be here because she died when she fell off the bridge. But Kat's temporal shenanigans caused the TikToks to be there to save her.
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May 25, 2020 16:52
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Whitenoise Poster posted:Some version of Kat created these birds and sent them throughout all the timelines and realities looking for her Annie. If this pans out the throwback style cover picture for this chapter would make a lot of sense.
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May 25, 2020 16:55
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Wa11y posted:Aw, poo poo. Neither Annie is supposed to be here because she died when she fell off the bridge. But Kat's temporal shenanigans caused the TikToks to be there to save her. At least one of those Annies was swiped from another timeline, but yeah I guess not belonging could also include "you're supposed to be dead."
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Dr Subterfuge posted:At least one of those Annies was swiped from another timeline, but yeah I guess not belonging could also include "you're supposed to be dead." Yeah, they never said "neither of them belong in this time line" - it was just "neither of them should be here" Also worth noting is that the interpreter in that scene mentioned that "normally there is no need for more than one timeline or dimension, but some creatures, like coyote, can create them if they wish." I'm guessing this means there aren't a billion timelines like the thread is speculating - maybe there's really only the two. Kat's initial line of questioning wasn't even" how do we get Annie back" but was "there's a timeline where Annie doesn't come out of the forest?" - that there's now a timeline with no Annie. I'm wondering if Kat is less concerned with making things "right" or whatever with the timelines and is more concerned with the alternate version of herself that lost her best friend, or (less selfishly) that timeline in general for not having an Annie in general.
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kat has developed a machine that will prevent the collapse of the wave function and make possible navigation through infinite eigenstates
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May 25, 2020 18:09
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I'm thinking this plotline will end up being similar to the Qualia The Purple manga.
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So I guess it's finally here huh?There Bias Two posted:I'm thinking this plotline will end up being similar to the Qualia The Purple manga. "I had already stopped being Katarina Donlan" or maybe "Once more I act in imitation of light"
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"Wow, you made a Tic Toc? What does it do?" "Well, it can sing 'Take Me To The River,' but I need to change that now that the Annan Waters are gone."
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May 25, 2020 19:59
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Honestly it'd be kind of weird if they didn't time travel, given that they're named after and make clock sounds.
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I knew it'd been a long time since we last touched the tictoc plotline but I did not expect it to have been 11 years god drat. "Been a while" indeed.
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Wa11y posted:Aw, poo poo. Neither Annie is supposed to be here because she died when she fell off the bridge. But Kat's temporal shenanigans caused the TikToks to be there to save her. Damnit I was going to post this! But yea I agree with this theory. Unfortunately I think I have been wrong with all my theories in this thread, so I'm really not helping our position I think.
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May 25, 2020 22:46
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If time travel is a thing, there really only needs to be one Tik Tok Bird.
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There Bias Two posted:I'm thinking this plotline will end up being similar to the Qualia The Purple manga. Looking forward to divine kat killing the cowardly kat and taking her spot, because someone has to get this done or what's the point?!
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Ditocoaf posted:Holy poo poo, I was always wondering when the Tic Tocs would come back. Thank you for this post. It's been so long I hadn't remembered any of this.
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Wa11y posted:Aw, poo poo. Neither Annie is supposed to be here because she died when she fell off the bridge. But Kat's temporal shenanigans caused the TikToks to be there to save her. doesn't this introduce a bootstrap paradox where, if alpha annie had died during the bridge sequence, alpha kat would never have come up with a reason to develop tic tocs to save annie in the first place
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Twenty Four posted:Just an idea, but if the Annies aren't supposed to exist in this universe, this could very well be a universe where the tic-toc's never existed before now and Kat just made the first weird spy-bird-bot in this universe, which sounds ominous if true. Oooooor, maybe this universe where the Court is wrecked and everything is weird is the wrong universe, and forest Annie is actually the "real" Annie from the reader perspective and the entire universe is the wrong universe.
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I think some of you are really leaping to conclusions here. There's no reason that it couldn't be something as simple as (for example) 'Diego created the tic tocs and Kat is reverse engineering them to do something ethically questionable, and that's what she's guilty about'.
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They're pre-diego tho
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TheDemon posted:Oooooor, maybe this universe where the Court is wrecked and everything is weird is the wrong universe, and forest Annie is actually the "real" Annie from the reader perspective and the entire universe is the wrong universe. Sort of the same thing to me, be it right universe wrong Annie or right Annie wrong universe, either way one or both don't belong, but this might have put it in better words then I did. fractalairduct posted:I think some of you are really leaping to conclusions here. There's no reason that it couldn't be something as simple as (for example) 'Diego created the tic tocs and Kat is reverse engineering them to do something ethically questionable, and that's what she's guilty about'. But this like I said before seems like the most likely explanation, but it's fun to come up with weird theories when there is so much to speculate on right now!
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fractalairduct posted:I think some of you are really leaping to conclusions here. There's no reason that it couldn't be something as simple as (for example) 'Diego created the tic tocs and Kat is reverse engineering them to do something ethically questionable, and that's what she's guilty about'.
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"It was created by a divine being and sent to watch over us all" tells us pretty much all we need to know I think, what with Kat now being regarded as a divine figure among the machines. I'd be interested to go way back to the old thread and see what people thought of that line when it first appeared back in 2009. 
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Yeah, time shenanigans aren't even a small leap at this point. We know Diego didn't build the Tic-tocs, Anja says the court doesn't know where they came from, and Kat opened the door to this room saying "I've been building something". Also they're named "Tic-tocs." It may still be wrong, but it's not a stretch as far as expectations go. Ditocoaf fucked around with this message at 10:43 on May 26, 2020 |
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Kikas posted:And it all makes sense - Kat was always making the Tic-Tocs anyway. Her first idea was inspired by birds. The first thing she grew was basically a wing. Doesn't allign with her Bug-like Etheric image though. If you look at her as being made of metallic feathers, it makes more sense. Weren't people calling that Kat made the tic-tocs and sent them back in time somehow years ago, back when the robots first gave her the Mark of the Creator? e: scary ghost dog posted:looking forward to this comic veering into heady existentialist scifi Veering? ee: dragon enthusiast posted:doesn't this introduce a bootstrap paradox where, if alpha annie had died during the bridge sequence, alpha kat would never have come up with a reason to develop tic tocs to save annie in the first place Kikas posted:Oh my we do have a Coyote situation. PubicMice fucked around with this message at 12:57 on May 26, 2020 |
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PubicMice posted:If you look at her as being made of metallic feathers, it makes more sense. Yeah, I think it started coming up around the time that it started to be clear that the robots legitimately see her as an angel. Around the same time as the theory that she is literally becoming a god through the influence of future robots dying.
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Divinity becomes real if enough people believe it to be real. (Robots are, or are at least becoming, people.) The reality created in this way is retroactive, and it simultaneously coexists with mutually contradictory realities. Calling that "time travel" feels a bit reductive.
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Kat's thing is doing god-like things in the most reductive way possible though so there's actually some precedence.
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I think Kat overall has been a contributor to the comic's overarching point that there are multiple things in this world we define as magic. Things we don't think are possible are MADE possible through various means, be it spiritial belief given life by magical thinking or technology tantamount to magic because they are indistinguishable. Kat has been doing her own brand of 'magic' for the whole comic, and I think we're reaching the logical endpoint. If she can do time travel, she can do anything. I think she is struggling with the multiple Annies situation because the two 'types' of magic are about to become one and the same.
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scary ghost dog posted:bugs is just birds with armor You MUST be kidding. Needless to say, this is not true.
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I'm waiting for the drop that due to her need for quantifying everything against a baseline truth/reality, Machine Goddess Kat ends up thinking Jones into existence at the beginning of time.
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yeah actually they will posted:You MUST be kidding. Needless to say, this is not true. I looked it up just now and it's totally true.
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Welp! Absolutely wouldn't have expected the story to go in this direction just a couple pages ago!
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Wa11y posted:Aw, poo poo. Neither Annie is supposed to be here because she died when she fell off the bridge. But Kat's temporal shenanigans caused the TikToks to be there to save her. 
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Kat seems really troubled by the fact that she built this time bird. Hey, guess what I predicted immediately before Kat opened the door to reveal the Tic-toc? Ditocoaf posted:I've always thought that the interpreter's answer was phrased in a way that doesn't necessarily mean "the Annie that was previously in this timeline is gone" but rather "no Annie 'should' be here because something about her is uniquely unnatural". Kat even immediately asked "what do you mean" and was denied clarification. "In an unmeddled timeline Annie would have died years ago" definitely counts. I'm cashing in my moment of gloating. EDIT: not to take away from Wa11y's more specific called-shot, though.
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