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K8.0 posted:comically authoritarian view of free software. curious what this means tbh
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May 25, 2020 18:59
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I'm not a fan of Stallman, but I'm sad to read about those (wildly inappropriate and also just plain wrong-headed) remarks. I'm not sad because of Stallman; I'm sad because it would be nice if there could be more elder statemen in computing who turned out to be genuinely nice people, instead of self-important irascible assholes who get a pass for talent (too many to count) or childlike weirdos leading lives of unexamined privilege who get a pass for talent (just Stallman?). Everytime I come across an article where someone has dug up Eric Raymond for a quote, i cringe and close the tab as quickly as possible.
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May 25, 2020 19:01
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Statutory Ape posted:curious what this means tbh If you're not doing Free Software the exact way that Richard Stallman believes Free Software should be done, then you are ideologically unclean and all your ideas and work are considered morally bankrupt/void/memory holed. He has always considered himself the head of a revolutionary vanguard, very much in the sense of Lenin's theories on class struggle, overthrow, and constant internal policing to prevent backsliding.
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May 25, 2020 19:06
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If you don't license your free software exactly the way I, Richard Stallman, one true authority of free software say it should be licensed, then it's JUST AS BAD as the worst licensing scheme imaginable! If you even interact with such software, you are also JUST AS BAD! Does your website have a link to twitter? Well twitter isn't free software, so you are an activist against free software! If you let your kids use non-free software, you're basically injecting them with heroin! He's actually insane.
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May 25, 2020 19:10
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Stallman being a dumb insane dork is like the entire reason people know his name
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May 25, 2020 19:11
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The more aggressively viral a piece of software's license is, the freer it is, so long as one of the terms is "code must be open source". Free Software (tm) is a joke and Richard Stallman is a cult figurehead who wanted to be Bill Gates but didn't have the money or business sense so instead he started a cult around his insane ramblings, lived in his office, harassed women at his place of employment/residence, and eventually got dumped from everything except his cult for pulling an "actually it's epghabhrelbophelia" about child sex trafficking.
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May 25, 2020 19:13
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Cygni posted:Stallman being a dumb insane dork is like the entire reason people know his name I thought the entire reason people know his name is because he ate toe cheese in public. SwissArmyDruid fucked around with this message at 20:41 on May 25, 2020 |
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May 25, 2020 19:14
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Kazinsal posted:Richard Stallman is a cult figurehead who wanted to be Bill Gates but didn't have the money or business sense. That's honestly way closer to describing someone like Ted Nelson. Stallman has a lot of flaws, but "zealous capitalism" is definitely not among them.
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May 25, 2020 19:16
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Cygni posted:Stallman being a dumb insane dork is like the entire reason people know his name Not eating his feet? e: drat it
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May 25, 2020 19:25
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*waters plants* yeah, Stallman is a huge piece of poo poo for multiple reasons. Will the Ryzen 4000 CPUs be available for purchase before Cyberpunk is released in mid September? Jon Pod Van Damm fucked around with this message at 23:14 on May 25, 2020 |
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May 25, 2020 23:10
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Statutory Ape posted:curious what this means tbh Stallman's decline outside of being an obstinate and annoying nerd was probably most accelerated by GPLv3, an "update" to the GPL license that prevented the practice of commercial locked-down products from using free software under license. Most consoles have some sort of "Free Software License" hidden somewhere in their OS settings page, Android was possible because of the Linux kernel, etc. But in the 00s this was viewed as some sort of nightmare when Tivo DVR was the first thing to really reach the mainstream on contributions of GPL code, so people at the time called this practice "Tivo-ization" which is a term that really aged well. There was a little bit of worry about these companies not contributing their changes upstream because their codebase is closed, but mostly a lot fear about what another poster accurately summed up as "someone using Free Software differently than Stallman wants you to." God forbid that MacOS take advantage of the CUPS printer driver without giving users total and absolute source over the entire system. Stallman's armchair copyright attorneys (i.e. him and his fans) tried to claim that the GPLv2 license used by Linux kernel etc had language that could automatically "upgrade" every project licensed by v2 to v3 if the project leader consented to it. Torvalds disagreed, and refused to adopt v3 for a number of reasons, ranging from his own views on closed locked-down devices (distasteful but necessary when IP holders demand it) to the concern that he would have to get every single code contributor to the kernel to agree that their code contributions can change licenses, and over a decade into the project the kernel already had code written by people who had since died. Torvalds liked the prior GPL because he wanted people who made improvements or changes to make those improvements available to him so he could integrate their work into the original project. He didn't care that you can use it to make walled garden hardware, he just wants your source mods. This still has occasional repercussions when the author of a widely used project changes licenses, btw. Samba, the software that allows these machines to exist on Windows-oriented SMB networks, went to GPLv3 a couple years ago, which means Apple had to rip it out of OSX and build their own implementation in-house. TLDR: Dude was overly concerned that free-for-use code was improving closed products, and upset at his own success in making a better experience for users because it wasn't also turning them into zealots who demand 100% of all software be free to edit/rebuild/fork. Craptacular! fucked around with this message at 06:45 on May 26, 2020 |
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May 26, 2020 06:20
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I posted this somewhere else after the announcement that he'd resigned from MIT: This Medium post alleges that he was skeevy as hell even thirty years ago in its second section. But I'd argue the state of Stallman's reputation outside a cult of braying weirdos trying too late to circle the wagons around him isn't bound to any single thing. It's the rider fiasco from 2011. It's Stallman eating something from the bottom of his foot during a speaking engagement. It's the entire pedophilia stance he's offered a soggy, belated apology for only when his feet were held to the fire. It's his brittle intolerance for anything that could conceivably rub him the wrong way. And it's the general impression that he's been enabled to live in a filthy little bubble for decades, heedless of the effects of his words, his appearance, or his inability to compromise in the tiniest, most superficial way on the community he's presumed to represent. He has done some good work. That deserves to be respected, even when he doesn't. As for AMD, I've been thrilled with Ryzen from the word go. My venerable 1700's been a great family PC and home server. And it'd be swell to have a reason to build a new Threadripper... But after a friend gave me an x299 'board and RAM I threw money at a 7940x a couple years ago. It's a blast furnace when it gets going, but I can't say I have a leg to stand on for an upgrade for the foreseeable future.
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May 26, 2020 17:13
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I googled richard stallman and he looks exactly like how these goon posts make him sound
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May 26, 2020 17:37
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Zedsdeadbaby posted:I googled richard stallman and he looks exactly like how these goon posts make him sound holy poo poo you are not kidding at all like ive never seen this guy in my life but yet i knew exactly what he looked liek
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May 26, 2020 17:38
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Dude has a
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May 26, 2020 17:58
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Statutory Ape posted:holy poo poo you are not kidding at all My favourite part about his Wikipedia page is that it says he's "childfree" implying that he has no children by choice.
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May 26, 2020 19:21
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ted hitler hunter posted:Will the Ryzen 4000 CPUs be available for purchase before Cyberpunk is released in mid September? I wouldn't expect them to be. Best case scenario they might be 'released' by then but at quantities so low that unless you have a bot setup to buy one online or camp out at a Microcenter you probably won't be able to buy one.
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May 26, 2020 19:27
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HalloKitty posted:My favourite part about his Wikipedia page is that it says he's "childfree" implying that he has no children by choice. As distressing as this may be, there is a non insignificant number of women that go for Stallman. In all likelihood he’s had more action than the typical goon. It's kind of part-and-parcel for being the leader of a cult-ish movement.
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May 26, 2020 19:55
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Dramicus posted:As distressing as this may be, there is a non insignificant number of women that go for Stallman. In all likelihood he’s had more action than the typical goon. It's kind of part-and-parcel for being the leader of a cult-ish movement. parrots are more his type
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May 26, 2020 20:15
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HalloKitty posted:My favourite part about his Wikipedia page is that it says he's "childfree" implying that he has no children by choice. http://www.art.net/studios/hackers/hopkins/Don/text/rms-vs-doctor.html
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^^ Such a wonderful readDramicus posted:As distressing as this may be, there is a non insignificant number of women that go for Stallman. I don't know why I should find it distressing, but that is indeed interesting HalloKitty fucked around with this message at 21:41 on May 26, 2020 |
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May 26, 2020 21:37
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HalloKitty posted:My favourite part about his Wikipedia page is that it says he's "childfree" implying that he has no children by choice. Thanks to his Wikipedia profile, I now know what filk music is. It tracks. Also the man avoids tracking by having a bot email web pages to him 
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May 26, 2020 22:28
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ugh i wish i wasnt brought up in a manner that made me aware of filk music when i was like 5
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May 26, 2020 22:33
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Like RMS is a crazy and apparently pervy coot, ugh, and I'm not trying to or wanting to defend him as a person. But he did move the needle for open source back when it wasn't a thing, so... My first interaction with him was when I sent in a patch to the GNU tar list back in Feb/March 1996. I get an email from him asking for money to keep GNU going - a pattern that repeated a few times till the early 2000s when they had more funding. But back in the mid 90s, the BSD toolchain wasn't as easy to get hold of as it is now (I don't even remember if the lawsuits had been settled) and the GNU toolchain was important to doing anything open source. RMS didn't do most of that, but he did start on many of the core tools or push folks to fill in the blanks to get a free (as in money, not just code - compilers cost 100s and 1000s of real $$$$) compiler suite and supporting toolchain done. Not to say that wouldn't have happened anyway, of course. But then he also hung onto maintainership of gcc well beyond when he should have. Handed it off to that ADA professor who was even slower and that led to the Cygnus fork etc. So good beginnings, bad endings even back then. Likewise with Hurd which he kept pushing as the one true way well beyond Linux showing it wasn't. I don't even know why I'm writing this, but it's kinda sad to see all the hosed up bullshit in the person when the stuff they began was so useful and had a huge impact on what I've done over the years (Emacs and the GNU toolchain I mean).
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May 26, 2020 22:43
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I never had any interactions with RMS himself, but I did once post to the HURD mailing list. I tried discussing my surprise that after so much time and so much commotion about using the HURD instead of Linux, I found that the project had mostly spent time bouncing between several experimental microkernels, and that it was considered quite an achievement to succeed in getting Emacs running, to say nothing of a wider, fuller userland. I tried to say things as non-confrontationally as possible, and express my desire that I would be genuinely interested in experimenting with the system -- did anyone have any sort of estimate about when it might actually be possible to experiment, as a user and sysadmin? I haven't though about that in forever -- this was back around 2002 or 2003. But now I realize that the responses I got were pure Star Citizen. I was basically told, without exaggeration, that I didn't understand OS development and that the project wasn't meant for end users but rather for people who wanted to test bleeding edge microkernel design and implementation. I decided to just walk away and not mention that their own website definitely proclaimed it as the future of The GNU people did (and do) good work. But being an ideologue with purity tests as barriers to entry isn't a great way to adapt to the times or make sure your organization continues to have an influx of fresh ideas.
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May 27, 2020 04:08
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You've gotta have some ideologues to keep pushing things.
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May 27, 2020 05:36
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RMS discussion is in YOSPOS, my dudes.
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May 27, 2020 05:48
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Seamonster posted:RMS discussion is in YOSPOS, my dudes. yeah nah
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May 27, 2020 14:42
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More evidence suggesting that 2021 will have a Zen3 refresh or Zen3+ of some kind, apparently called Warhol. Still 7nm, still AM4. Backs up some of GNs earlier insider info, which was that Zen 4/5nm/AM5/DDR5 was in 2022. https://videocardz.com/newz/amd-ryzen-5000-zen3-warhol-to-succeed-vermeer
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May 28, 2020 19:40
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As usual, I hope to see what the 5000-series APUs look like, and can we finally loving bury GCN and pour a metric buttload of holy water over it yet.
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May 28, 2020 21:43
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What is the real difference between the B series and X series motherboards?
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May 28, 2020 21:55
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Kraftwerk posted:What is the real difference between the B series and X series motherboards? Margin
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May 28, 2020 21:59
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AMD Warhol is a great codename. Say it out loud.
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May 28, 2020 22:01
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SwissArmyDruid posted:As usual, I hope to see what the 5000-series APUs look like, and can we finally loving bury GCN and pour a metric buttload of holy water over it yet. ph'nglui mglw'nafh Pitcairn R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn
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May 28, 2020 22:16
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Kraftwerk posted:What is the real difference between the B series and X series motherboards? B450 is based on the old Asmedia chipset. The distinction between B350, B450, X370, X470, and A320 is marketing and which bits get flipped at the factory. They differ based on how many SATA and USB ports get turned on, how many chipset PCIe devices can be attached and at what speeds, etc. Also, AMD won't let you turn on PCIe 4.0 on the graphics lanes these boards, even though that's a CPU function and not directly related to the chipset, and even though many of the boards could probably handle it in terms of signal integrity. B550A, AMD flips the bit that lets you turn on the PCIe 4.0 on the graphics lanes. But otherwise it's B450 with a different name. X570 is based on the Zen2 IO die. As such it's basically a completely different implementation. This is currently the only chipset that actually runs a true PCIe 4.0 uplink, and it can attach a lot more stuff than the Asmedia, but it runs hot and needs a chipset fan as a result. B550 (no -A) is back to an Asmedia chipset, but a newer one. You get PCIe 3.0 on devices attached to the PCH, but the uplink to the CPU remains PCIe 3.0 rather than 4.0 on the X570. Also, AMD will let you turn on PCIe 4.0 on the graphics lanes again. No chipset fan - they solved that problem by removing PCIe 4.0 from the chipset.
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May 28, 2020 22:22
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EmpyreanFlux posted:ph'nglui mglw'nafh Pitcairn R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn No, no, gently caress YOU and your elder god nonsense. XD By this around this time next year, AMD will have shipped a million consoles or more with Zen+ and RDNA silicon in them, I want to see what the end result of their accumulated knowledge from that completed project results in.
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May 29, 2020 04:23
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SwissArmyDruid posted:No, no, gently caress YOU and your elder god nonsense. XD why zen+ and not zen2?
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May 29, 2020 07:58
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consoles are using zen 2
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May 29, 2020 09:58
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Then they're even less behind the bleeding edge than I remembered they were. Now I'm REALLY expecting a lot out of them.
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SwissArmyDruid posted:Then they're even less behind the bleeding edge than I remembered they were. Now I'm REALLY expecting a lot out of them. Also RDNA2, not 1, combined with faster storage than anything the PC has in the case of PS5. The power jump is so huge I imagine it will take a few years at minimum for games to start properly taking advantage of them.
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