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Ugly In The Morning posted:AoA is my favorite comics alternate universe. Yeah, it was kind of grimdark but the alternate paths the characters took were all interesting and none of them felt really out of place for them. I should go back and reread all that. AoA = Age of Apocalypse?
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Proteus Jones posted:AoA = Age of Apocalypse? Probably
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May 20, 2020 00:17
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Lurdiak posted:Didn't they ruin that universe by trying to bring it back and killing like 3/4 of the cast and depowering the others. Probably. I learned to never read sequels to AU stuff a long time ago. And yeah, AOA= age of apocalypse.
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May 20, 2020 00:22
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Lurdiak posted:Didn't they ruin that universe by trying to bring it back and killing like 3/4 of the cast and depowering the others. Well, it is X-men
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May 20, 2020 00:48
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OnimaruXLR posted:I dunno, it's probably just a matter of personal taste, but "bad guys won" AUs are a dime a dozen and much prefer stuff like the cyberpunk nightmare of AOA or any number of Dooms "I won but I'm bored now" setups than the Mad Max pastiche stuff in the Old Man Logan setting, and that's before you get into inbred Hulks hillbillies That's fair, but the one rebuttal I'd offer is that a whole bunch of other dystopias are dominated/ruled by one big villain, like Apocalypse. OML has no central villain; in the original story it's Red Skull but it's made clear that the world has been carved up into new countries/states by the bad guys and even within those areas a lot of minor villains have their own little fiefdoms. But to each their own, AOA is very cool.
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May 20, 2020 01:50
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TwoPair posted:That's fair, but the one rebuttal I'd offer is that a whole bunch of other dystopias are dominated/ruled by one big villain, like Apocalypse. OML has no central villain; in the original story it's Red Skull but it's made clear that the world has been carved up into new countries/states by the bad guys and even within those areas a lot of minor villains have their own little fiefdoms. But to each their own, AOA is very cool. AOA had that too if I’m remembering right. Didn’t each of the four horsemen have their own districts that they basically ran as they pleased, even if they ultimately answered to apocalypse?
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May 20, 2020 17:53
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Ugly In The Morning posted:AOA had that too if I’m remembering right. Didn’t each of the four horsemen have their own districts that they basically ran as they pleased, even if they ultimately answered to apocalypse? Just looked it up and all of those horsemen helped A-pok rule North America. I mean, presumably they split it into quadrants.
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May 20, 2020 20:43
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CzarChasm posted:Just looked it up and all of those horsemen helped A-pok rule North America. I mean, presumably they split it into quadrants. I could have sworn there was a mention somewhere in there of Holocaust running the northeastern part of North America.
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May 20, 2020 20:48
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Look, if there's one thing comic people like to do it's make maps of their alternate realities:
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May 20, 2020 21:09
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APOCALYPSE BUILT THE WALL AND MADE CANADA PAY FOR IT
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May 21, 2020 01:59
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Endless Mike posted:Look, if there's one thing comic people like to do it's make maps of their alternate realities: I have to admit I do love this part of creating alternate realities and to be fair, Jonathan Hickman is really good at it.
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May 21, 2020 06:06
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Ugly In The Morning posted:AoA is my favorite comics alternate universe. Yeah, it was kind of grimdark but the alternate paths the characters took were all interesting and none of them felt really out of place for them. I should go back and reread all that. One of the things I appreciated about AoA was that it was dystopian, but it wasn't completely doomed. Magneto's X-Men were winning small victories here and there, there were mentions that they'd taken down previous Horsemen, the human resistance in Europe was keeping Apocalypse at bay. It felt like a universe where things were going badly, but there was still some hope, and that made it have more impact. Stuff like Old Man Logan is a lot harder to take seriously because it's just 'everything that could go wrong does go wrong' and it feels cartoonishly over-the-top. (I also have a lot of affection for it because one of my first comics was an AoA tie-in, part of a random bundle of issues I was given, so for a few years I just assumed X-Men was always a post-apocalyptic story...)
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May 21, 2020 09:45
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Angry Salami posted:One of the things I appreciated about AoA was that it was dystopian, but it wasn't completely doomed. Magneto's X-Men were winning small victories here and there, there were mentions that they'd taken down previous Horsemen, the human resistance in Europe was keeping Apocalypse at bay. It felt like a universe where things were going badly, but there was still some hope, and that made it have more impact. Stuff like Old Man Logan is a lot harder to take seriously because it's just 'everything that could go wrong does go wrong' and it feels cartoonishly over-the-top. I also appreciated that a bunch of the villainous characters would find some of the more insane parts of Apocalypse’s rule and be like “fuuuuuck that, I’m out”. Even if they didn’t bail, having them be super uncomfortable with it made it feel less over the top than OML did.
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May 21, 2020 15:02
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The best part of Acts of Vengeance was that every villain thought everyone in the group was a huge idiot rear end in a top hat with no morals or values, except for them.
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May 21, 2020 16:26
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Angry Salami posted:One of the things I appreciated about AoA was that it was dystopian, but it wasn't completely doomed. Magneto's X-Men were winning small victories here and there, there were mentions that they'd taken down previous Horsemen, the human resistance in Europe was keeping Apocalypse at bay. It felt like a universe where things were going badly, but there was still some hope, and that made it have more impact. Stuff like Old Man Logan is a lot harder to take seriously because it's just 'everything that could go wrong does go wrong' and it feels cartoonishly over-the-top. This why I can't behind Ruins, it's just too much and spins around to parody .
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May 21, 2020 17:01
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Lurdiak posted:The best part of Acts of Vengeance was that every villain thought everyone in the group was a huge idiot rear end in a top hat with no morals or values, except for them. Wrong. This is the best part of Acts of Vengeance. 
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May 21, 2020 18:51
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The best part was all these overpowered villains going after Spider-Man right around the time he got the UniPowers.
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May 21, 2020 18:57
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Push El Burrito posted:The best part was all these overpowered villains going after Spider-Man right around the time he got the UniPowers. It all kicked off with him going against Graviton so he deserved a powered-up comeback. As it happens I just read that issue last week with a plan to go through the whole storyline. It's like fifty issues! Someday I'll get back to finishing the Eric Masterson Thor run. Someday.
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May 21, 2020 20:17
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Angry Salami posted:One of the things I appreciated about AoA was that it was dystopian, but it wasn't completely doomed. Magneto's X-Men were winning small victories here and there, there were mentions that they'd taken down previous Horsemen, the human resistance in Europe was keeping Apocalypse at bay. It felt like a universe where things were going badly, but there was still some hope, and that made it have more impact. Stuff like Old Man Logan is a lot harder to take seriously because it's just 'everything that could go wrong does go wrong' and it feels cartoonishly over-the-top. While both AoA and OML are 'post-apocalyptic' stories, they do have very different moods, yeah. AoA is a story where the forces of good are losing but there's still a chance they could pull off a win, but OML is a story where the forces of good already lost. They might be in the same post-apocalyptic genre, but they're telling very different stories within that genre.
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May 21, 2020 20:43
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Is it really a post apocalypse if the guy literally named Apocalypse is still alive, and also the rest of the world is fine and it's just America
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May 21, 2020 20:50
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Gologle posted:Is it really a post apocalypse if the guy literally named Apocalypse is still alive, and also the rest of the world is fine and it's just America The rest of the world isn't fine. They are dealing with conquest attempts from Apocalypse and other poo poo. Japan was apparently entirely obliterated.
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May 21, 2020 21:06
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Early Adopter Post Apocalypse Pre-Post Apocalypse Fauxst Apocalypse
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May 21, 2020 22:48
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Peri-apocalypse, don't you people watch forensic procedurals
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May 22, 2020 07:18
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This is from Avengers #33 out this week if you don't want spoilers. Moon Knight has to beat up the Avengers to save the world or something similar. He starts with Iron Fist.   Thought it was a clever way to use the Fight Text thing Aaron has been doing. Somberbrero fucked around with this message at 01:55 on May 26, 2020 |
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May 26, 2020 01:51
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He should get chumped.
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May 26, 2020 02:58
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It's not just Aaron's been doing that; it goes back to Fraction's Immortal Iron Fist. Read Immortal Iron Fist.
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May 26, 2020 12:28
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DigitalRaven posted:It's not just Aaron's been doing that; it goes back to Fraction's Immortal Iron Fist. That's a hearty gently caress yes, read Fraction's run. I see people gush over his time doing Hawkeye, but honestly I like his Iron Fist books better (but Hawkeye is also good and you should read it).
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May 26, 2020 12:38
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Hey remember when I said you should read Chainsaw Man? Spoilers from latest chapter: Cosmo has thus far been played as an oddity. A ghoulish character with her brain hanging out that can only say "Halloween". They are currently fighting Santa Claus, the monstrosity of dolls from my previous post. Functionaally immortal and can just swaap their consciousness to one of thousand bodies around the world if they're ever killed.      Those pages are loving gorgeous on top of everything else.  (You should really really read Chainsaw Man)
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May 26, 2020 15:07
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drat. It's like a smaller version of the Total Perspective Vortex.
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May 26, 2020 16:31
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goatface posted:He should get chumped. yeah should have been funnier to go meta "The Invincible Pen" "The Narrative of Moon Knight" "The Hero's Invulnerability"
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May 26, 2020 16:44
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Somberbrero posted:This is from Avengers #33 out this week if you don't want spoilers. Moon Knight has to beat up the Avengers to save the world or something similar. He starts with Iron Fist. Haven't they already done character X has to beat up the Avengers to save the world in Captain Marvel already? Dammit Aaron, don't copy off Thompson's work! 
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May 26, 2020 20:34
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Yvonmukluk posted:Haven't they already done character X has to beat up the Avengers to save the world in Captain Marvel already? Dammit Aaron, don't copy off Thompson's work! It definitely feels a little weird following DIRECTLY on the heels of that. PS mjolnir is made from 'moon metal' so moon knight controls it to kick Thor's rear end. On the moon.
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May 26, 2020 20:39
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Toshimo posted:Wrong. I can't remember, how does Skull escape?
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May 26, 2020 21:32
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El Gallinero Gros posted:I can't remember, how does Skull escape? Crossbones finds him, I think (don't remember how).
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May 26, 2020 21:58
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I think a combination of that and starvation making him so thin that he could fit through the bars on one of the walls of the room? I could be conflating it with something else though. Probably am.
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May 27, 2020 00:04
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Malachite_Dragon posted:I think a combination of that and starvation making him so thin that he could fit through the bars on one of the walls of the room? I could be conflating it with something else though. Probably am. Basically he's dropped in the bunker at the end of Captain America #367, #368 is about Crossbones and Machinesmith going on a spree to find him, #369 has a weird backup story about Red Skull starving to death and hallucinating, and then in #370 Crossbones and the rest of his goons dig up the trap door and rescue him. It's all over and done with in a few months but it's a nicely paced little thread, which continues a little bit with Red Skull being depressed and traumatized by being confronted with his sins and just lying around wishing for death. It resolves when the bad guys bring Captain America to the Red Skull's deathbed, which spruces him right up. Cap then just turns around and leaves instead of doing anything about it.
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May 27, 2020 00:12
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Here's some pages I liked from Frieren of the Funeral. Frieren, an immortal elf, joined a ragtag team of unlikely heroes and together, they overcome impossible odds and saved the world! That was eighty years ago. They're all dust now.  Successive generations have forgotten their battles entirely. Frieren and her human apprentice, Fern, are cleaning up loose ends of the war. One of these magical landmines is an unstoppably powerful demon named Qual that her party was unable to defeat at the height of their power. His seal is about to break, and he will be unleashed again on a helpless human population. Read right-to-left as usual.        Frieren is starting to realize that immortals need to be terrified of humans.
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May 27, 2020 04:12
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How Wonderful! posted:Basically he's dropped in the bunker at the end of Captain America #367, #368 is about Crossbones and Machinesmith going on a spree to find him, #369 has a weird backup story about Red Skull starving to death and hallucinating, and then in #370 Crossbones and the rest of his goons dig up the trap door and rescue him. And the only way Crossbones was able to find the Skull in the first place was by kidnapping a psychic and forcing him to scry the Skull's location. (Psychic had long enough range that he was able to tell that Crossbones was coming, but not long enough that he was able to get away.)
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May 27, 2020 16:45
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How Wonderful! posted:Basically he's dropped in the bunker at the end of Captain America #367, #368 is about Crossbones and Machinesmith going on a spree to find him, #369 has a weird backup story about Red Skull starving to death and hallucinating, and then in #370 Crossbones and the rest of his goons dig up the trap door and rescue him. Yeah as others said, Crossbones and the Skeleton crew kidnap a psychic to locate the Red Skull. (And send a robot of Magneto on a destruction spree in Washington as a distraction.) When they do get Skull back they take him to the Skulls haunted house and show him his weapons of mass destruction to try and cheer him up. In the end Cap and Diamondback leave the house without arresting Skull because of a hypnosis machine.
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I’m really enjoying Jason Aaron’s stories from Marvel prehistory. Including the first Starbrand, who was a Kree-fighting T Rex.  Avengers (2018) #28
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