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According to some walkthroughs I looked at, it looks like I still have three or four chapters left. Are they all super quick?
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After you get the crown you have 2 pretty major arcs left, I think 95% is an overstatement, but you're definitely in the last third of the game.
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There are a few major chapters left, as well as some side content and the mandatory backer quest everybody loves. How long the last chapter takes depends on how you approach it, but it's not short. Saying you're in the final third seems about accurate. You're nowhere close to 95%.
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Sorry, I got confused with another event.
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Hypocrisy posted:Sorry, I got confused with another event.
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What is the max level a party of six can expect to reach by end game? I’m guessing 16-17?
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chaosapiant posted:What is the max level a party of six can expect to reach by end game? I’m guessing 16-17? If you siphon the high exp skill checks into your MC you can get them to lv 20 before endgame. Endgame levels all your party members to your MC's level if you have exp share on so everyone hits it at the same time. Otherwise you usually get to 18-19 and just barely sniff 20 by the very very end
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KittyEmpress posted:The aldori is a very by the book general with an especially large focus in maintaining the army's soldiers. He wants actions that keep soldiers healthy and hearty, and hates when you use any options that would be a lot of risk to them (as distractions or bait or etc). Pretty far into my run taking him (decided to go pure Aldori supporter this run, though given how long this thing is I may not get another run in given how long this one is taking yeesh). He's pretty straightforward/professional and interacts well with my NG magus's way of doing things, I was rather concerned that Amiri and Reg were both kind of noted as being sort of bloodthirsty. Admittedly I kind of dropped the kingdom stuff down to minimums with Bag of Tricks since it wound up being less fun playing Pathfinder Time Manager than I hoped. I kind of wound up probably going too far trimming the time needed since I wind up skipping a lot of days to get to the next bit by the point I'm at Pitax War, but at least I don't feel like I'm going to miss content gated behind time keeping. I do rather hope the next game won't have that aspect at least. Overall it's been a pretty fun game with the actual non-kingdom gameplay though. I probably couldn't handle all the clever optimizing people talk about (one of the things that kept me out of Pathfinder 1E to begin with, too much drat crap to keep track of in character creation and leveling) but since I'm not playing high level difficulty my characters are doing fine despite not knowing the clever tricks to make them awesome by taking various dips into particular classes or particular feats or whatnot. About my only clever "tricks" are the fun I'm having with Octavia now that I reached Arcane Trickster 10 and can open fights with an AOE from stealth that takes out most of the little crap, my main magus doing entirely too much nasty damage with touch spells, and of course Nok-Nok. Dear GOD Nok-Nok is insane. I haven't found any better kukris than the ones I found with him really and given my lack of optimization I expect his attack bonus could be higher (though every melee character in my game has Outflank which helps there), but even without that he is a buzzsaw against enemies, especially since I often take him and Olivia and mass fire with both for maximum sneak attack damage. It's hilarious how many enemies get overkilled into gibbing when he goes to work on them. I am somewhat annoyed how the video game rules vary from the tabletop with little warning though. I didn't realize until I read the recent discussion that concealment effects weren't affected by Truesight and the like, which rather annoys me given several of my spell choices. Also rather annoyed by whoever designed the Captor in Tenebrous Depths to cast a super-extended Ice Prison on my guys making them constantly take damage I had no way to remove because apparently Break Enchantment and Dispel Magic won't remove the drat thing even if Freedom of Movement kept it from sticking me in place. Had to run upstairs and rest to remove it because the geniuses ensured it had about a 20 min duration unless you made a Strength check none of my guys could. Enemy debuffs should NOT last that long unless there's a way to remove them post-battle, I would have been pissed to lose characters that way. The actual plot of the game is pretty good really. I recently got a chance to look at the original Kingmaker adventures and I was kind of pleased how much better a job the game did tying the module stories more tightly together. Tartuk in particular was much more interesting when instead of being a random gnome turned into a kobold, he was a character you already were introduced to and played downright tragically by the time he goes down. If only your troll/kobold nation weren't complete bastards to my people I'd have let you guys coexist, as is thank God they planned well enough to make Jubilost pop up with his acid bombs right when I had to kill your drat fire-resistant troll buddies. Though taking the original adventures as a guide can sure backfire, in the original adventure Ithuliak's Lair is empty because the dragon moved on to be an enemy in the final module I believe, boy did I nearly slaughter myself in this game charging in thinking the kobolds I saw were the only enemies present until I saw the big red circle in time to skid to a halt and frantically look for the Communal Protection from Acid spell. Most of the NPCs aren't hugely deep characters but the game does an excellent job playing with what's there, keeps an illusion of depth there at least. Appropriately enough they rather feel exactly what most pre-written module characters are in the hands of a good DM, kind of written as a semi-archetype but the guy running it stretches it out some with their performance. 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MadDogMike posted:I haven't found any better kukris than the ones I found with him really There's another set, which is just better version of the set you get initially iirc. Specialization is one thing I hate across every one of these IE-inspired games. Unless this is your Xth playthrough weapon specialization is just gambling on the devs having put in a good magic weapon of the type you picked.
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Mailer posted:There's another set, which is just better version of the set you get initially iirc. Specialization is one thing I hate across every one of these IE-inspired games. Unless this is your Xth playthrough weapon specialization is just gambling on the devs having put in a good magic weapon of the type you picked. It'd be nice if the merchants stored at least generic +1-+4 variants of all weapon types (maybe with generic buffs) as you progress the plot and kingdom stats. That is what they did with the scroll seller they added later on. Hopefully wrath has slightly better itemization.
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Specialization doesn’t bother me too much since the bonuses aren’t huge. But a rudimentary crafting/enchanting system would’ve gone a long way to making it work and be more balanced.
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Honestly, the Weapon Specialization feat is a trap; +2 damage per hit is nothing. Weapon Focus is better, but still more useful as a stepping-stone than for its own sake.
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MadDogMike posted:
Just going to note here that Icy Prison didn't need extending or whatever, because its base duration is 1 minute/level. As for the damage, it's cold damage so just slapping on a resist energy(cold) completely stops that. As for spells to get rid of it: Break Enchantment shouldn't work because Icy Prison is an Evocation spell - BE only hits Enchantment, Transmutation, and curse effects (how it's actually programmed in-game I have no clue); Dispel Magic should work, but it's a caster level check so you might be reliably failing that depending on what the difference in CL between the enemy and you is. If DM isn't even getting a check in the combat log though then that is a bug, yes.
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Lord Koth posted:Just going to note here that Icy Prison didn't need extending or whatever, because its base duration is 1 minute/level. As for the damage, it's cold damage so just slapping on a resist energy(cold) completely stops that. As for spells to get rid of it: Break Enchantment shouldn't work because Icy Prison is an Evocation spell - BE only hits Enchantment, Transmutation, and curse effects (how it's actually programmed in-game I have no clue); Dispel Magic should work, but it's a caster level check so you might be reliably failing that depending on what the difference in CL between the enemy and you is. If DM isn't even getting a check in the combat log though then that is a bug, yes. In tabletop you would also be able to just break the ice off (it has no hardness and 3 HP per caster level so this isn't actually super hard, though if you fail the save and get encased someone will have to do it for you - the raw Strength check to shatter it from inside is much harder) but if there's a button to punch it off in Kingmaker I couldn't find it. Prism fucked around with this message at 17:41 on May 24, 2020 |
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Prism posted:In tabletop you would also be able to just break the ice off (it has no hardness and 3 HP per caster level so this isn't actually super hard, though if you fail the save and get encased someone will have to do it for you - the raw Strength check to shatter it from inside is much harder) but if there's a button to punch it off in Kingmaker I couldn't find it. Looked like it auto-tried a personal Strength check and did the damage on a fail each round (though even Valerie with her ridiculous Str bonus wasn't breaking the drat thing, so no one else had a prayer). I double checked the SRD and it looks like the duration is just them pulling the one from tabletop, so I guess I blame the writers of Ultimate Magic for that one (at least they skipped the bit about it dropping a layer of ice that was 1 inch/level of the caster, having almost two feet of ice around my characters would have been just silly). Don't know why Dispel Magic failed so badly, on double check it seems like it defaulted to dispelling my buffs instead (which given the spell is supposed to target the spell with the highest DCs first in tabletop is an annoying change). Zurai posted:Honestly, the Weapon Specialization feat is a trap; +2 damage per hit is nothing. Weapon Focus is better, but still more useful as a stepping-stone than for its own sake. Yeah, starting to regret taking it on several characters and committing to weapons before knowing what was available, although for some of them it was difficulty deciding decent enough feats to use anyway instead since, y'know, bad at optimizing. I wound up using one of my free respects on Reg to swap him from scimitar to longsword when I got Perfection (it was just too good an upgrade for him compared to the only equivalent scimitar I saw), though honestly as a magus myself I barely use him compared to Octavia who's pretty much my arcane caster by default since I went touch/buff spell crazy on my main. I went with dueling sword on my main for theme more than optimization, although since I just got Bloodhound I can't exactly regret that  (I was a bit irked the Lich who had the blade didn't react to Feeblemind; is that immunity from being undead I'm forgetting? I saw him fail the save, thought it would skip that if immune).
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MadDogMike posted:Looked like it auto-tried a personal Strength check and did the damage on a fail each round (though even Valerie with her ridiculous Str bonus wasn't breaking the drat thing, so no one else had a prayer). I double checked the SRD and it looks like the duration is just them pulling the one from tabletop, so I guess I blame the writers of Ultimate Magic for that one (at least they skipped the bit about it dropping a layer of ice that was 1 inch/level of the caster, having almost two feet of ice around my characters would have been just silly). Don't know why Dispel Magic failed so badly, on double check it seems like it defaulted to dispelling my buffs instead (which given the spell is supposed to target the spell with the highest DCs first in tabletop is an annoying change). A generic "targeted" Dispel Magic on a creature is supposed to pick the spell with the highest caster level first; if your buffs are cast at a higher level, then they'd be first on the chopping block. Normally, in the tabletop, you can choose to attempt to dispel a specific spell (which means you aren't at risk of dispelling anything but the effect you want to remove), but PF:K doesn't support that, rendering Dispel Magic somewhat less than useful at removing debuffs from your own people (since your own buffs are likely to have a higher caster level than enemy debuffs).
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MadDogMike posted:Looked like it auto-tried a personal Strength check and did the damage on a fail each round (though even Valerie with her ridiculous Str bonus wasn't breaking the drat thing, so no one else had a prayer). I double checked the SRD and it looks like the duration is just them pulling the one from tabletop, so I guess I blame the writers of Ultimate Magic for that one (at least they skipped the bit about it dropping a layer of ice that was 1 inch/level of the caster, having almost two feet of ice around my characters would have been just silly). Don't know why Dispel Magic failed so badly, on double check it seems like it defaulted to dispelling my buffs instead (which given the spell is supposed to target the spell with the highest DCs first in tabletop is an annoying change). An undead creature possesses the following traits (unless otherwise noted in a creature’s entry). No Constitution score. Undead use their Charisma score in place of their Constitution score when calculating hit points, Fortitude saves, and any special ability that relies on Constitution (such as when calculating a breath weapon’s DC). Darkvision 60 feet. Immunity to all mind-affecting effects (charms, compulsions, morale effects, patterns, and phantasms). Immunity to death effects, disease, paralysis, poison, sleep effects, and stunning. There's a lot more, but that's off the pathfinder SRD. Lichs are annoying as hell to deal with because they will layer on a pile of buffs that will cover any leftover weaknesses. Seamantle is annoying. The funny part is it's entirely possible to solo that lich as a level 8 monk, arcane caster or divine class that gets access to the travel domain. It just takes the right item and a way to get in and out quickly.
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Having just seen his lair of “shrines”, I’ve decided Nok-Nok is the best monster-race NPC since Deekin, perhaps better.
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Yea I notice that all the evil characters are pretty ok. Regongar doesn’t bitch and moan about saving some slaves, Nok-Nok is adorable, The Red Eyed Demon Twin is a bit self serving but doesn’t seem evil. Only Jaethal seems to be batshit crazy evil. I never got Tartuk so I can’t speak for him.
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I feel Nok-Kok's alignment is fine, he basically never shows any empathy or anything, it's just that his entirely selfish ambition is to be seen as a hero. Reg does in fact get shifted to neutral for saving the slaves over revenge. Jaethal is pure evil but I liked that the good ending to her questline doesn't involve redeeming her or anything, just pitting her vanity against her ambition.
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chaosapiant posted:Yea I notice that all the evil characters are pretty ok. Regongar doesn’t bitch and moan about saving some slaves, Nok-Nok is adorable, The Red Eyed Demon Twin is a bit self serving but doesn’t seem evil. Only Jaethal seems to be batshit crazy evil. I never got Tartuk so I can’t speak for him. Have you reached Kaessi's quest ? 'cause hum, Demon Twin is kind of a monster akshully.
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Kobal2 posted:Have you reached Kaessi's quest ? 'cause hum, Demon Twin is kind of a monster akshully. I reached a part of it. I saved the Sweet Tooths. Haven’t seen the next follow up yet.
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Couple of random things from the latest Paizo email. The text for the 5th Edition and PF2 conversion of Kingmaker is in their hands now, and they're just ordering art and all the stuff for around it. Still will be several months, but it's getting closer. And regarding Pathfinder:Kingmaker and/or Wrath of the Righteous: "PS—Fans of the Pathfinder: Kingmaker CRPG adaptation from our friends at Owlcat Games should make sure to follow the game’s publisher, Deep Silver, on social media for some exciting upcoming announcements about the future of the game, especially around IGN’s Summer of Gaming show in early June. That’s all we’re allowed to say at this point, but we’ll have more to report soon!
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chaosapiant posted:I reached a part of it. I saved the Sweet Tooths. Haven’t seen the next follow up yet. That's what I was talking about. Letting some ancient hellmonster loose on some unsuspecting, happy-go lucky idiots because "hey, that way *I'm* safe !" strikes me as p. goddamn evil.
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Kobal2 posted:That's what I was talking about. Letting some ancient hellmonster loose on some unsuspecting, happy-go lucky idiots because "hey, that way *I'm* safe !" strikes me as p. goddamn evil. It’s definitely self serving and falls on the spectrum of evil, but I don’t see it as diabolical. It’s self preservation above all else. Compare that with someone like Irenicus, Sarevok, Jaethal where hurting others is for more power. But in general, for an evil party member, all but Jaethal are pleasant enough to be around. I love how the entire party ribs on her constantly if she’s in the group. “Ew, stay away you gross dead woman!” Is basically everyone’s tone with her and it’s great!
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Zurai posted:Honestly, the Weapon Specialization feat is a trap; +2 damage per hit is nothing. Weapon Focus is better, but still more useful as a stepping-stone than for its own sake. When dual wielding keen weapons it's not nothing.
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Can anyone explain how Agile weapons work? It basically says “ if you have weapon finesse you use dex bonus for damage”. But that’s what finesse already does?
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chaosapiant posted:Can anyone explain how Agile weapons work? It basically says “ if you have weapon finesse you use dex bonus for damage”. But that’s what finesse already does? Weapon finesse only applies your dex bonus to the attack role, not the damage. You need extra things like agile or being a rogue to get a bonus to damage.
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SirFozzie posted:Couple of random things from the latest Paizo email. Huh, are they going to use 5th edition rules for Wrath of The Righteous?
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sassassin posted:When dual wielding keen weapons it's not nothing. Dual wielding helps, but keen weapons don't even add a whole 1 damage. Not even for 18-20 crit weapons. Greater Weapon Focus is a better use of a feat if you're dual-wielding and fishing for crits. Mr.Pibbleton posted:Huh, are they going to use 5th edition rules for Wrath of The Righteous? No. For one thing, Paizo (Pathfinder) is not Wizards of the Coast (D&D). For another, they'd have to rebuild the engine.
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Furry race poll has started. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/owlcatgames/pathfinder-wrath-of-the-righteous/posts/2850401
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Finally finished my first playthrough, got a bit rough towards the end with those drat vilderavan and the stupid bleed debuff since apparently the only way to reliably remove it would be to waste slots on having tons of remove curse since the scrolls would never manage the required level check, finally snapped and Bag of Tricks'd that crap away. Story-wise things ended mostly well (apart from apparently bungling every Pitax choice and leaving the place effectively destroyed but eh, they were schmucks anyway), I wound up going for Nyrissa's ending, it was certainly the more lore-interesting way to finish. At 164 hours of play I'm not certain I'm running again for a while though, though it definitely gave the Baldur's Gate-like game it promised. Just wish I was as familiar with Pathfinder 1E as I was D&D 2nd back in the day, would probably have gone easier. They also seem to pull a bunch of stuff from tabletop over as-is without thinking hard enough about how it would work in a video game, hope Wrath handles a few of those things better (like the Blur/Displacement stuff not being seen through even when the in-game spell descriptions say True Sight et al would remove it, or some of the ridiculous debuffs).chaosapiant posted:It's definitely self serving and falls on the spectrum of evil, but I don't see it as diabolical. It's self preservation above all else. Compare that with someone like Irenicus, Sarevok, Jaethal where hurting others is for more power. Yeah, the evil characters worked extremely well as NPCs I would not be horribly reluctant to have in a Good or Neutral PC's party while still obviously being evil; I was rather pleased Jaethal's "good" ending made sense with her as personal pride/choice over grubbing for power, and even raised and serving Pharisma at the end didn't actually make her change from evil though perhaps slightly more nice/easier to be around. Honestly they did a good job with the good NPCs too considering they would probably work fairly OK with an Evil/Neutral PC, the one who's probably most hung up on being goodie two-shoes is Tristian and he has the logical excuse of "serves the goddess who encourages redemption" and being kind of cursed/needing repentance himself after the story's events so he couldn't be TOO judgemental. Linzi has the "bard chasing the story" excuse, Octavia has gratitude for freedom (and a need to stay on the PC's good side to keep it) and Ekundayo is vengeful enough I imagine he wouldn't give too much of a drat how nasty the guy helping him kill trolls is (might even appreciate a sadist's touch). And of course there were a bunch of neutral NPCs who were pretty much "meh" on everything but their own interests so they could work with anybody.
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MadDogMike posted:Yeah, the evil characters worked extremely well as NPCs I would not be horribly reluctant to have in a Good or Neutral PC's party while still obviously being evil; I was rather pleased Jaethal's "good" ending made sense with her as personal pride/choice over grubbing for power, and even raised and serving Pharisma at the end didn't actually make her change from evil though perhaps slightly more nice/easier to be around. Honestly they did a good job with the good NPCs too considering they would probably work fairly OK with an Evil/Neutral PC, the one who's probably most hung up on being goodie two-shoes is Tristian and he has the logical excuse of "serves the goddess who encourages redemption" and being kind of cursed/needing repentance himself after the story's events so he couldn't be TOO judgemental. Linzi has the "bard chasing the story" excuse, Octavia has gratitude for freedom (and a need to stay on the PC's good side to keep it) and Ekundayo is vengeful enough I imagine he wouldn't give too much of a drat how nasty the guy helping him kill trolls is (might even appreciate a sadist's touch). And of course there were a bunch of neutral NPCs who were pretty much "meh" on everything but their own interests so they could work with anybody. I'm in the tail end of a Lawful Evil playthrough and yeah, most of the "good" NPCs don't fret too much. Valerie often grits her teeth or tightens her fists when I'm being a giant dick but she's too disciplined to give me too much poo poo about it. Since I'm generally choosing the "evil but technically legal" options, she's mostly "NO ! YOU AS- *self-restraint* Ah well I wouldn't have done it this way but I suppose you're within your rights". Tristian is sometimes horrified but he seems hellbent on reforming me so he sticks around anyway. Jubilost can be *withering*, but he's a Twitter activist : too much in love with watching himself sassing at THIS GIANT IDIOT to ever quit. Amiri respects asserting strength and not backing down more or less no matter who it's aimed at. And of course when Ekun sulks he gives me the "..." treatment which works for him about as well as it does for your average JRPG protag.
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I like that the ending for the Tiefling DLC companion is that going full evil or full good does not get you the best ending, because the Forefather anticipated either option. It's only not playing the game at all and choosing True Neutral that throws him for a loop. Otherwise one of the sisters walks away.
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Sky Shadowing posted:I like that the ending for the Tiefling DLC companion is that going full evil or full good does not get you the best ending, because the Forefather anticipated either option. It's only not playing the game at all and choosing True Neutral that throws him for a loop. Otherwise one of the sisters walks away. It ties pretty nicely when you consider who their patron is.
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JamMasterJim posted:Furry race poll has started. The kitsune are winning  Would really prefer ratfolk, but the furries just might be too powerful (remember to vote rat, y'all)
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Hiveminded posted:The kitsune are winning Funny thing about that... I didn't really care too much, but I idly signed up for the Owlcat forum anyways (took literally a day for the activation e-mail to arrive), and then entered my username in the preorder section to get the badge you need to vote. The forum still hasn't registered I have it, and reading the topic this is not a unique issue. I just don't care enough to follow up in the near future. With that said, it would have been a coinflip between the two not-rat choices. One, because Ratfolk offers absolutely nothing interesting in terms of archetypes or racial features, and two because I'm utterly and completely loving tired of Skaven memes.
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Lord Koth posted:With that said, it would have been a coinflip between the two not-rat choices. One, because Ratfolk offers absolutely nothing interesting in terms of archetypes or racial features, and two because I'm utterly and completely loving tired of Skaven memes. feeling incredibly attacked rn But yeah fair enough
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