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trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!

FCKGW posted:

camera bump dorks are the loving worst

Not as bad as the ones that are like “you should rip all of the unnecessary guts from your various devices and have them all just serve as screens for your iPhone, which has now become your personal cyberbrain.”

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jabro
Mar 25, 2003

July Mock Draft 2014

1st PLACE
RUNNER-UP
got the knowshon


The new camera dongle for iPad. You call it the iPhone.

trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!
Imagine looking at the mk1 Apple Watch in 2020 and being like “why can’t most Apple devices be like that now?”

tankadillo
Aug 15, 2006

The main problem with apple devices is that they have too many useful features and don't require you to buy more things to use them.

Endless Mike
Aug 13, 2003



FCKGW posted:

camera bump dorks are the loving worst

I don't personally care, I just think it is hilarious to describe something as the "most perfectly considered and designed device ever" when the bump is right there suggesting otherwise.

abraham linksys
Sep 6, 2010

:darksouls:
drat, why didn't any reviews I saw of the 10.2 iPad mentioned it only has speakers on the bottom of the thing? If I fuckin watch something in landscape mode it all goes in one ear, which is incredibly obnoxious. So much for a media consumption device, this would be a deal breaker if returning things wasn't a pain in the rear end right now

Did the air solve this at least jeez

Chikimiki
May 14, 2009

abraham linksys posted:

drat, why didn't any reviews I saw of the 10.2 iPad mentioned it only has speakers on the bottom of the thing? If I fuckin watch something in landscape mode it all goes in one ear, which is incredibly obnoxious. So much for a media consumption device, this would be a deal breaker if returning things wasn't a pain in the rear end right now

Did the air solve this at least jeez

Nope, only the pro has more :shrug:

abraham linksys
Sep 6, 2010

:darksouls:
this thing also has no "leave unlocked in my house" mode like Android has so it's super hard to use as a kitchen tablet since touch id won't respond to wet fingers

options are to turn off passcodes and touchid, which disables apple pay and makes it impossible to use touchid for like 1password unlocks, or to just leave the screen on never sleep mode, gah

abraham linksys
Sep 6, 2010

:darksouls:
oh my God you also can't have more than one loving timer at on this thing out of the box

I will never complain about Android software quirks again good lord

MarcusSA
Sep 23, 2007

abraham linksys posted:

oh my God you also can't have more than one loving timer at on this thing out of the box

I will never complain about Android software quirks again good lord

Just return it :shrug:

I'm sure you can ship it back or whatever.

trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!

abraham linksys posted:

oh my God you also can't have more than one loving timer at on this thing out of the box

I will never complain about Android software quirks again good lord

Are you from like 2013? jesus just return the thing

withak
Jan 15, 2003


Fun Shoe
You can have as many timers as you want, only one per device tho.

abraham linksys
Sep 6, 2010

:darksouls:

withak posted:

You can have as many timers as you want, only one per device tho.

I assume this is also how I would get stereo sound

I got some $3 multi timer app and I guess there's some weird way with this shortcuts poo poo to use it with Siri

Happy Noodle Boy
Jul 3, 2002


Just use alarms or reminders instead of timers

Pretty sure you can set up multiple time based reminders.

abraham linksys
Sep 6, 2010

:darksouls:
just assuming the answer is no here, but is there any way for this home screen widget thing to just persistently show the same global audio controls on the lock screen and in the control center? I tried just enabling the Pocket Casts widget but it just shows you the logo of the playing podcast with no control, and Spotify doesn't even have a widget

the amount of low hanging ux fruit here is really funny to me, like a decade into this tablet stuff and several years into "the iPad as a thousand dollar productivity machine." I'm not really angry enough to return it (yet), it's just really frustrating, and a real bummer to see all these issues when I've been thinking I might be returning to iPhone in a year or two

good call on using multiple alarms, though having to delete them after every use is gonna be annoying. This Timer+ app does have a little home screen widget so I'm gonna try using that I think, not much more work than yelling at my tablet (especially because "Hey Siri" doesn't work when I'm playing audio out of the iPad at any volume anyways)

e: also discovered that if you enable a passcode and touchid but disable touch id for unlocking, then you can set up the iPad to only require a passcode after 4 hours, getting me back to my goal of instant unlock since this thing isn't leaving my house. Would love to leave Touch ID enabled for those 4 hour unlocks and have no idea why I can't

abraham linksys fucked around with this message at 21:09 on May 25, 2020

Happy Noodle Boy
Jul 3, 2002


That whole widget thing is a rumored feature apparently coming with iOS 14 which is being introduced... next month I think?

MarcusSA
Sep 23, 2007

You could just tell siri to turn it up or down but I'm not really sure what you are asking about a volume slider though.

FCKGW
May 21, 2006

Anyone got that graph of the new apple user experience that's a big rollercoaster dip?

trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!

abraham linksys posted:

just assuming the answer is no here, but is there any way for this home screen widget thing to just persistently show the same global audio controls on the lock screen and in the control center? I tried just enabling the Pocket Casts widget but it just shows you the logo of the playing podcast with no control, and Spotify doesn't even have a widget

the amount of low hanging ux fruit here is really funny to me, like a decade into this tablet stuff and several years into "the iPad as a thousand dollar productivity machine." I'm not really angry enough to return it (yet), it's just really frustrating, and a real bummer to see all these issues when I've been thinking I might be returning to iPhone in a year or two

good call on using multiple alarms, though having to delete them after every use is gonna be annoying. This Timer+ app does have a little home screen widget so I'm gonna try using that I think, not much more work than yelling at my tablet (especially because "Hey Siri" doesn't work when I'm playing audio out of the iPad at any volume anyways)

e: also discovered that if you enable a passcode and touchid but disable touch id for unlocking, then you can set up the iPad to only require a passcode after 4 hours, getting me back to my goal of instant unlock since this thing isn't leaving my house. Would love to leave Touch ID enabled for those 4 hour unlocks and have no idea why I can't

Why would you disable touchID? Once it’s set up it takes 2 seconds to unlock. Aren’t you gonna be using your fingers to touch the tablet anyway?

And I have no idea what you mean about the pocket cast widget vs the control center. The global playback controls should be displaying and controlling whatever your source is- be it Spotify, YouTube, safari, etc.

Duckman2008
Jan 6, 2010

TFW you see Flyers goaltending.
Grimey Drawer

Ok Comboomer posted:

Why would you disable touchID? Once it’s set up it takes 2 seconds to unlock. Aren’t you gonna be using your fingers to touch the tablet anyway?

And I have no idea what you mean about the pocket cast widget vs the control center. The global playback controls should be displaying and controlling whatever your source is- be it Spotify, YouTube, safari, etc.

No you see, his fingers are wet, so Touch ID is a complete failure.

ijyt
Apr 10, 2012

Ok Comboomer posted:

Why would you disable touchID? Once it’s set up it takes 2 seconds to unlock. Aren’t you gonna be using your fingers to touch the tablet anyway?

And I have no idea what you mean about the pocket cast widget vs the control center. The global playback controls should be displaying and controlling whatever your source is- be it Spotify, YouTube, safari, etc.

Read the thread.

abraham linksys posted:

this thing also has no "leave unlocked in my house" mode like Android has so it's super hard to use as a kitchen tablet since touch id won't respond to wet fingers

options are to turn off passcodes and touchid, which disables apple pay and makes it impossible to use touchid for like 1password unlocks, or to just leave the screen on never sleep mode, gah


Duckman2008 posted:

No you see, his fingers are wet, so Touch ID is a complete failure.

It's a valid criticism, lick less boots.

FCKGW
May 21, 2006

dry your fingers then lol

Happy Noodle Boy
Jul 3, 2002


It doesn’t have to be a finger :ninja:

priznat
Jul 7, 2009

Let's get drunk and kiss each other all night.
Scream ineffectually at Siri for cooking directions and post the hilarious results, op

abraham linksys
Sep 6, 2010

:darksouls:
so half the reason I got this Pencil was because I thought it would be fun to, like, handwrite notes while reading something in Safari and be able to use some kind of handwriting conversion to get it into text

this has mostly been okay, but I'm annoyed that I cannot find a single note taking app with handwriting support (or just free-drawing support with no text conversion) that can also handle the concept of "inserting a link to a web page." the only one i can find is, of all things, the actual Apple Notes app, and I guess I can just keep using that, but it doesn't have handwriting recognition and its drawing support is pretty limited. really flummoxed that something like Nebo doesn't have that since it seems like such an obvious feature (you can highlight individual handwritten words and, like, make them "bold;" why the gently caress can't you just add a link? gah)

Jose Oquendo
Jun 20, 2004

Star Trek: The Motion Picture is a boring movie
Onenote does a lot of that but I don't think it has drawing to text conversion.

This might sound a little dickish, but it's not my intent. It's an issue that comes up a lot when people have technology questions at my job. A computer, tablet, whatever is a tool. If the tool doesn't do what you want, get something else. It's also important to research the tool you're looking at before you buy it. For a lot of people, iPhones and iPads do what they need it to do, and generally do it pretty well. For others, it's not and they need to look elsewhere.

abraham linksys
Sep 6, 2010

:darksouls:
I get that but I also thought that by 2020 I could expect a note taking application to support the hot new technology of hyperlinks, and really did not think to look for that specifically when researching what apps people liked

OneNote seems okay though. Maybe if I could use my iPad for just reading and sketching notes and then type them up on my Mac it’d be an ok workflow? Maybe I should just be using Apple Notes at that point. Heck I use Notion for my computer note taking so I guess if I could export sketches to images and then import that into Notion that could be okay

Happy Noodle Boy
Jul 3, 2002


Welcome to the real endgame of iPad ownership: finding the right note taking app for you.

The perfect note taking app does not exist. Many have tried, some have come close, but ultimately every single app will have one or two things that will annoy the poo poo out of you. The question is what will those one or two things will be.

Personally, I ultimately landed on OneNote. Cloud sync and availability on my work (and home) computers ultimately was something I absolutely needed with my notes. Should this not be a necessity, I would lean towards Notability. The native Notes app is actually pretty good if you simply just want notes.

Happy Noodle Boy fucked around with this message at 02:11 on May 26, 2020

The Dave
Sep 9, 2003

So One Note actually has ink to text...

...only on windows.

abraham linksys
Sep 6, 2010

:darksouls:

The Dave posted:

So One Note actually has ink to text...

...only on windows.

microsoft truly getting the last laugh on me here considering that this entire tablet rabbit hole started with me thinking about getting a Surface Go and then being disappointed by the price/performance situation

oh poo poo onenote totally updates in real time on my mac when i write on my ipad though that's pretty baller

Proteus Jones
Feb 28, 2013



Happy Noodle Boy posted:

Personally, I ultimately landed on OneNote. Cloud sync and availability on my work (and home) computers ultimately was something I absolutely needed with my notes. Should this not be a necessity, I would lean towards Notability. The native Notes app is actually pretty good if you simply just want notes.

Notability has iCloud sync and there's been a Mac app available for a few years now. I use it all the time for taking notes for meetings and research/studying.

abraham linksys posted:

oh poo poo onenote totally updates in real time on my mac when i write on my ipad though that's pretty baller

drat, that is pretty cool. I may have to give that one a try again soon.

Duckman2008
Jan 6, 2010

TFW you see Flyers goaltending.
Grimey Drawer

ijyt posted:

lick less boots.

You can’t make me stop licking boots.

TraderStav
May 19, 2006

It feels like I was standing my entire life and I just sat down
Also. Lick fewer boots... not less.

Jose Oquendo
Jun 20, 2004

Star Trek: The Motion Picture is a boring movie

The Dave posted:

So One Note actually has ink to text...

...only on windows.

Which version? There's the old Onenote which the last version is Onenote 2016. I know this one does ink to text.

Then there's the 'new' one which is a Windows store app

Happy Noodle Boy
Jul 3, 2002


Proteus Jones posted:

Notability has iCloud sync and there's been a Mac app available for a few years now. I use it all the time for taking notes for meetings and research/studying.

My work PC is Windows (and super locked down by IT) so that kinda drives my app needs. I can do files with the job's owncloud solution (it has an app) and all my actual work / plan review/design is done via Bluebeam which also has an iPad app.

I'd sat Bluebeam/OneNote/PDF Expert are like the top 3 apps on my iPad.

Proteus Jones
Feb 28, 2013



Happy Noodle Boy posted:

My work PC is Windows (and super locked down by IT) so that kinda drives my app needs. I can do files with the job's owncloud solution (it has an app) and all my actual work / plan review/design is done via Bluebeam which also has an iPad app.

I'd sat Bluebeam/OneNote/PDF Expert are like the top 3 apps on my iPad.

Yeah, PDF Expert is super solid choice. I use it with the Pencil all the time making annotations and what not.

Like I said, I'm probably going to give One Note another drive. Last time I used it was years ago and it ate my notes data, so I abandoned it pretty quickly. I'm hoping it's a lot more stable now.

Jose Oquendo
Jun 20, 2004

Star Trek: The Motion Picture is a boring movie

Proteus Jones posted:

Yeah, PDF Expert is super solid choice. I use it with the Pencil all the time making annotations and what not.

Like I said, I'm probably going to give One Note another drive. Last time I used it was years ago and it ate my notes data, so I abandoned it pretty quickly. I'm hoping it's a lot more stable now.

I've had to troubleshoot Onenote issues a lot. The old Onenote for Windows would let you save notebooks locally OR to Onedrive (it would keep a cached copy). This caused lots and lots of issues which might have been what happened to you. It's fixable, but it's a huge pain in the rear end.

The new Onenote across all platforms REQUIRES notebooks to be saved in Onedrive. There's no option to save them locally. This makes life a lot easier, but depending on how heavy you use it, you may need to sub to some sort of Office 365 plan. The free 5GB isn't really a lot. I've seen students blow through 5gb in half a semester. If you don't upgrade the storage, you can still do stuff in Onenote, but it will not sync, so if something happens to your device and it has to be wiped, that poo poo is gone. Look into if you can get a personal O365 subscription at a discount through work or school.

Happy Noodle Boy
Jul 3, 2002


Oh yeah I almost forgot to mention it but you CAN use PDF expert as a note taking app. You can generate a PDF document, set page size type then annotate/write on it.

If I’m reviewing something I’ll sometimes just add a sheet to the PDF itself and put my notes on it so they’re on the document itself.

Proteus Jones
Feb 28, 2013



Jose Oquendo posted:

I've had to troubleshoot Onenote issues a lot. The old Onenote for Windows would let you save notebooks locally OR to Onedrive (it would keep a cached copy). This caused lots and lots of issues which might have been what happened to you. It's fixable, but it's a huge pain in the rear end.

The new Onenote across all platforms REQUIRES notebooks to be saved in Onedrive. There's no option to save them locally. This makes life a lot easier, but depending on how heavy you use it, you may need to sub to some sort of Office 365 plan. The free 5GB isn't really a lot. I've seen students blow through 5gb in half a semester. If you don't upgrade the storage, you can still do stuff in Onenote, but it will not sync, so if something happens to your device and it has to be wiped, that poo poo is gone. Look into if you can get a personal O365 subscription at a discount through work or school.

That's good to hear. Fortunately, I do have an O365 sub, so that works out well for me. I'll deffo give it another go.

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abraham linksys
Sep 6, 2010

:darksouls:
if I get a USB charger beefier than this 12W one the iPad 10.2 comes with, will it charge faster? i've been spoiled by USB-C and don't expect miracles but it seems like this thing takes 6+ hours to charge while in use, and of course the Lightning cable that comes with it is like 3 feet long so I can't easily keep it plugged in while using it. it also charges hilariously slow when plugged into my Macbook with a USB A->C adapter, to the point I'm surprised it even bothers showing the charge icon (and, to be fair, I get that tablet batteries are way bigger than phones and this is basically like if you plugged a laptop into another laptop to charge)

that said, positives?:

* it has served me well today in taking Zoom calls, so maybe I will convince my work to pay for part of it
* I like that with the Firefox app I can toss a tab from my laptop to my iPad or back very easily. plus it has a widget for opening a new tab from the home screen, which is nice because the Spotlight search only opens tabs in Safari, because of course it does. I suppose Apple has sidestepped the BBQ default browser issue with vendor lock-in
* the Apple Arcade games I've played so far are fun and while I think most are either on Switch or coming soon, at least it's way cheaper to play them here. apparently you can just loving connect a Dual Shock 4 to an iPad now which is the most pragmatic thing I have ever seen Apple do, after years of failing to convince anyone to buy a tablet-specific controller because who the gently caress would do that. I dunno if I can then like AirPlay from my iPad to my Macbook so I can play it on a larger monitor? I assume this would not support Chromecast for playing on a TV, and no I will not buy an Apple TV

I might buy a Logitech K380 for doing typed notes directly on this iPad; I'm kinda shocked by how universally-liked that keyboard is (sans expected cheap Logitech reliability problems) considering the keys look like garbage, but for $30 it's worth a gamble I guess. there's some neat cheap compact Bluetooth mechanical keyboards out there but they all appear extremely backordered for understandable reasons

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