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CRUSTY MINGE posted:Someone had to rebuild those cities in Japan. I.e. The Jean-Baptiste Emmanuel Zorg Theory of Life https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krcNIWPkNzA Advantageous fucked around with this message at 18:59 on May 26, 2020 |
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MA-Horus posted:Well loving obviously it was, I don't think you'll find anyone who'd call World War Goddamn Two a net positive for society unless you're a freak like Clausowitz or Hans Delbruck who think that peace is a net negative for mankind Those people aren't a minority in America
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May 26, 2020 19:05
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MA-Horus posted:Well loving obviously it was, I don't think you'll find anyone who'd call World War Goddamn Two a net positive for society unless you're a freak like Clausowitz or Hans Delbruck who think that peace is a net negative for mankind cough cough Dick Cheney cough.
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May 26, 2020 19:18
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That's not how that chart works, in DoD procurement Lockmart et al are the business and they return goods (bombs) to the "individual" (US government) You're using a B2C model chart to try to explain a B2B model
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May 26, 2020 19:21
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Godholio posted:This has been the case since science became A Thing, and it was the Christian Church doing the investing. So when did science become A Thing?
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May 26, 2020 19:32
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people sucking on the teat of the DoD desperately trying to justify their continued employment itt
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CommieGIR posted:cough cough Dick Cheney cough. Dick Cheney thought war was a net positive for Dick Cheney and gave zero shits about humankind as a whole.
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May 26, 2020 19:34
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Lemniscate Blue posted:Dick Cheney thought war was a net positive for Dick Cheney and gave zero shits about humankind as a whole. I wouldn't be suprised at all if he feels it benefits humanity as a whole as well. A lot of the people that benefit from US military escapades are doing it for selfish reasons, yes, but its not difficult to believe they feel this benefits the country as a whole as well.
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May 26, 2020 19:41
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Love to rationalize bloodshed by claiming that it's progress in the name of science!
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May 26, 2020 19:44
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I'm the marginal benefit of producing one more F-35 rather than supporting social programs
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May 26, 2020 19:48
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UP THE BUM NO BABY posted:I'm the marginal benefit of producing one more F-35 rather than supporting social programs It is easier to believe in that when you see F-35s. When it is a real hunk of metal 5 maintainers are tightening screws on. It is easier to believe this when a social program isn't 'for you' because of byzintine form processing that is far less user friendly than CAMS. gently caress I believed it back when I was in.
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May 26, 2020 19:53
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UP THE BUM NO BABY posted:I'm the marginal benefit of producing one more F-35 rather than supporting social programs If we dump more money in, it'll become useful!
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I was just musing about this the other day in the spaceflight thread:Wingnut Ninja posted:Every now and then I like to fantasize what it would be like if the budgets for NASA and the DOD were swapped.
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May 26, 2020 20:01
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UP THE BUM NO BABY posted:I'm the marginal benefit of producing one more F-35 rather than supporting social programs Personally, I'd argue that the question of "Should we have robust social services" and "Should we have a gigantic bloated military" aren't mutually exclusive. The United States is an immensely rich and powerful country, and we can absolutely afford to implement a much more vast and comprehensive safety net on top of our existing defense expenditures—especially given that many social programs (Such as food stamps) ultimately generate more revenue than they expend. The challenge there is convincing enough people that protecting, educating, and raising up their fellow citizens isn't a burden, but an opportunity. With regard to defense spending, the question there that needs to be asked is: What are we trying to do, and what are the long-term and short-term costs of doing so? If we want the US to maintain a global posture with the ability to strike anywhere at nearly any time, with force projection abilities unrivaled by any other country in history, then that's going to be extremely loving expensive and instead of considering arbitrary cuts, we should instead weigh the costs and benefits of doing so, or otherwise consider targeted cuts or reforms to shave the budget without degrading the capabilities that we want the military to have.
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May 26, 2020 20:02
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I want a milirary w a bunch of blackbirds warthogs and Raptors is that so much to ask
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Wingnut Ninja posted:I was just musing about this the other day in the spaceflight thread: Well, now we have the Space Force, so...
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May 26, 2020 20:06
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GoGoGadget posted:Well, now we have the Space Force, so... Gotta funnel money to our contractor buddies somehow.
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May 26, 2020 20:10
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GoGoGadget posted:Well, now we have the Space Force, so... I'm not saying Steve Carell was a bad choice, I just wish they had let Rob Riggle audition first.
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May 26, 2020 20:11
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Godholio posted:Necessity is the motherhood of invention. What company is going to invest stupid amounts of money into a satellite chain? I'm a page back, but I wanted to reply to this specifically. Musk isn't funding his satellite mesh network. He was trying to get the feds to fund it under a rural broadband provision, but the government said "yeah your latency estimates are complete poo poo" and denied it.
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May 26, 2020 20:30
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Lemniscate Blue posted:Dick Cheney thought war was a net positive for Dick Cheney and gave zero shits about humankind as a whole. He cares for humanity, he just doesn’t believe there are any humans other than Dick Cheney.
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Acebuckeye13 posted:Personally, I'd argue that the question of "Should we have robust social services" and "Should we have a gigantic bloated military" aren't mutually exclusive. The United States is an immensely rich and powerful country, and we can absolutely afford to implement a much more vast and comprehensive safety net on top of our existing defense expenditures Ding ding ding. Our euro welfare states were built during the cold war when our defense spending as a percentage of gdp was comparable to current US spending percentages.
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May 26, 2020 20:58
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Mr. Nice! posted:I'm a page back, but I wanted to reply to this specifically. Musk isn't funding his satellite mesh network. He was trying to get the feds to fund it under a rural broadband provision, but the government said "yeah your latency estimates are complete poo poo" and denied it. What's up with those satellites they put up that were too reflective and were ruining the sky for astronomers?
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May 26, 2020 21:02
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I thought the military is America's social welfare system.
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CommieGIR posted:If we dump more money in, it'll become useful! Sunk costs that fly
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Midjack posted:He cares for humanity, he just doesn’t believe there are any humans other than Dick Cheney. Not true. It's just that the other humans are his mobile heart supply source.
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May 26, 2020 21:14
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The ultimate power move is having someone apologize for you shooting them in the face.
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stealie72 posted:I thought the military is America's social welfare system. It's basically our only extant federal jobs program.
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Apathetic Medic posted:Love to rationalize bloodshed by claiming that it's progress in the name of science! None of this is what the original question was, which was, "Is there a statistic on how much money spent by the DoD is waste?" The answers were, "Here's a source, but it's incomplete because that's a complex question.", "All of it's going to include some waste because the practice of building armaments is inherently wasteful since you're building an object not just to be destroyed."* The became "A lot of good things happen as a result of our bad things." Which evolved into, "Look at these murder junkies." Because, you know, the internet. Part of why waste continues is that you can't talk about it. And I say you can't talk about it, it's not only because people in black vans** might shut you up if you get too specific, but also because conversations on the subject quickly become visceral. * To me, this is an interesting challenge of society that we avoid asking ourselves--how does that compare to other goods/services not made to facilitate production or survival. E.g. toys, music, literature, video games, internet comedy, massages, fine dining, theatre, homes larger than the minimum square footage required to sustain life, candy, liquor, amenities, lawns, poetry, speech therapy, posters, liberal arts educations, personal lubricant, twitch streams, food delivery, decorative plants, spices, packaging, food for pets, goods for pets, pets, creatine, dead internet comedy forums, fans only accounts, board games, recreational drugs, and paint-used-for-non-preservation purposes? A lot of those improve society (many of them may harm it), some provide little or nothing of direct value. But I suspect the most conversation that will come from that will accusations of equating cluster munitions and baby toys. **not skateboarders
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https://twitter.com/Yamiche/status/1265363492464406528?s=20 This is not likely about justice, they may be trying to avoid a federal civil rights investigation as the move they executed was prohibited by a 1995 Federal guideline.
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stealie72 posted:I thought the military is America's social welfare system. Mods?! MODS?
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piL posted:None of this is what the original question was, which was, "Is there a statistic on how much money spent by the DoD is waste?" They could have just asked what the Marines budget is.
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That Works posted:They could have just asked what the Marines budget is. piL posted:This is probably the best and the closest, but it's probably very conservative. You'd have to select which data and correct annually.
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That Works posted:They could have just asked what the Marines budget is. It's part of the navys budget. So really its navy waste.
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I'd trade UHC for the marines Heh, who am I kidding I'd trade a ham sandwich and a milkshake for the marines.
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:I want a milirary w a bunch of blackbirds warthogs and Raptors is that so much to ask See you say that, and what you'll get is someone thinking: "we can combine all these capabilities into one platform and save money!" And then there's no stopping the procurement juggernaut.
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May 26, 2020 22:07
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Mr. Nice! posted:It's basically our only extant federal jobs program. Imagine a federal job with all the perks of the military, but without the threat to life and limb and having to be willing to kill people.
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May 26, 2020 22:08
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Madurai posted:See you say that, and what you'll get is someone thinking: "we can combine all these capabilities into one platform and save money!" And then there's no stopping the procurement juggernaut. I'll punch them in the loving jaw
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not caring here posted:I'd trade UHC for the marines Boo, should have asked for a hot dog and a soft drink
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Lemniscate Blue posted:Dick Cheney thought war was a net positive for Dick Cheney and gave zero shits about humankind as a whole. In Annie Jacobson's book, 'Surprise, Kill, Vanish', she said that elements of the Bush admin- Cheney in particular, but she also named Rumsfeld- were trying to get into Forever Wars within 9 days of 9/11. Within 9 days, Cheney ordered the CIA to find reasons to 'go to war' with Iraq, Iran, and Syria- in addition to AFG. loving monsters.
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