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NikkolasKing
Apr 3, 2010



Arcsquad12 posted:

It was linked earlier in the thread but I can't remember the name. It was a mod that added a bunch of custom voiced NPCs to the game and I think it was by the same people who did Interesting NPCs for Skyrim? I can't find it on the Nexus.

Heh, I just found that mod yesterday.
http://3dnpc.com/tag/fallout-new-vegas/

I think they mentioned something about some of the material used being....uh, not entirely their own so it would be taken off Nexus.

Nexus has remove a lot of great mods I'm interested in. It's very frustrating.

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Floodixor
Aug 22, 2003

Forums Electronic MusiciaBRRRIIINGYIPYIPYIPYIP
Thanks for all of the responses.

Maybe it's not something I should have started looking at first thing in the morning, but I got so loving lost with all of the modding processes. I'm not exactly computer-illiterate either, but my eyes started glazing over once I watched the 5th tutorial video with a guy saying "it's EASY! Just rawrwarawrrawr" and just feeling like I missed out on something else I should know about an hour ago.

Lord Lambeth
Dec 7, 2011


If it's your first time playing the game I would go for the bugfix mod and maybe casm and jesawyer mod.

play it as vanilla as you can

NikkolasKing
Apr 3, 2010



Floodixor posted:

Thanks for all of the responses.

Maybe it's not something I should have started looking at first thing in the morning, but I got so loving lost with all of the modding processes. I'm not exactly computer-illiterate either, but my eyes started glazing over once I watched the 5th tutorial video with a guy saying "it's EASY! Just rawrwarawrrawr" and just feeling like I missed out on something else I should know about an hour ago.

I feel ya. I'm hopeless with tech stuff and all the tutorials about how everything is easy made me feel dumber when inevitably everything collapsed.

Luckily, for New Vegas at least, I found that there was one specific mod that was causing most of my woes. I still have some weird bugs in my game - characters teleporting around in a certain area - but that's nothing to the constant crashes and freezes I was having.

Watch out for the Chems, Alcohol and Medicine mod. It was really fun and interesting but it was the reason I was constantly playing NV ind read of crashing whenever I opened a door.


Also, I was looking at the JSawyer mod. I have Project Nevada so I'll ahve to leave it for anotehr time but I was curious about its changes to Karma. I have heard for years how he made Col. Moore Evil instead of Neutral and looking it up....

quote:

Colonel Moore Alignment changed from Neutral to Evil
Colonel Hsu Alignment changed from Neutral to Good
Dam Centurion Alignments changed from Evil to Neutral
Doctor Usanagi Alignment changed to Very Good
Dixon Alignment changed from Neutral to Very Evil
Jean-Baptiste Cutting Alignment changed from Neutral to Very Evil
Gloria Van Graff Alignment changed from Neutral to Very Evil
Alice McLafferty Alignment changed from Neutral to Evil
Alice McBride Alignment changed from Neutral to Good
Squatter Alignments changed from Neutral to Good
The King's Alignment changed from Neutral to Good
Contreras' Alignment changed from Neutral to Evil
Westside Citizens and Militia Alignments changed from Neutral to Good
Gomorrah Prostitutes Alignments changed from Neutral to Good
1E Junkies' Alignments changed from Neutral to Good
Michelle Kerr and Samuel Kerr's Alignments changed from Neutral to Good

The Van Graffs is a good change but Moore being Evil while Caesar, House and Lanius are Neutral is....weird.

DACK FAYDEN
Feb 25, 2013

Bear Witness

Arcsquad12 posted:

Mod talk: I have this weird bug I'm not even sure is a bug. For some reason all of my companions' carry weight limits are called at 85. I don't think I'm running any mods that should be affecting their carry weight. If I opened up FNVEdit where should I be looking to see what mods might be impacting my companions this way?
I don't know, but I know that the mod that causes it is somewhere in Viva New Vegas's set, because I have it too.

SpookyLizard
Feb 17, 2009

ThaumPenguin posted:

New Vegas Tick Fix includes a High FPS Fix which solves the physics and lipsync issues of playing above 60 FPS, so if you use that you won't need to cap your framerate at 60.

I use it and get over 100 FPS without any apparent issues, plays like a dream.

This I didn't know, i've never hosed with the stutter poo poo because I've never had any stutter, aside from the occasional loading hitch, which you don't really get on SSD's.


NikkolasKing posted:

The Van Graffs is a good change but Moore being Evil while Caesar, House and Lanius are Neutral is....weird.

Moore is a murderous bitch and she genuinely does not want you to seek peaceful resolutions with the Brotherhood or the Khans. Lanius being neutral is a little odd, but it fits Caesar and House.

Floodixor posted:

Thanks for all of the responses.

Maybe it's not something I should have started looking at first thing in the morning, but I got so loving lost with all of the modding processes. I'm not exactly computer-illiterate either, but my eyes started glazing over once I watched the 5th tutorial video with a guy saying "it's EASY! Just rawrwarawrrawr" and just feeling like I missed out on something else I should know about an hour ago.

If you want to shoot me a DM, I'll walk you throw setting up MO and FNV in the most basic, non youtube just shut the gently caress up and get to the point tutorial way possible.

chitoryu12 posted:

JE Sawyer has popped in to talk about the Legion a few times in the main thread. The "good side" of the Legion is just that their territory is safe from raiders, a rare commodity in the wasteland. That's it.

Something that trips up a lot of people trying to analyze the NV factions is that they've been poisoned by the "Everything is morally grey and there's no good guys or bad guys, just kinda lovely people everywhere" trend. They assume that NV must be that kind of game, where your only choices are ones that are equally problematic and you need to headcanon anything good or bad about them to convince yourself that it was the right choice. In actuality, the Legion were 100% meant to be the bad option that will bring a destructive dictatorship onto the Mojave if they win and the quality of life under the NCR, House, or Courier is completely dependent on how much effort you put into solving the Mojave's issues and ending the factional warfare to keep conflicts from spiraling out of control or factions from being genocided after Hoover Dam.

Fallout definitely wasn't built on any kind of concepts of grey morality where the good choice isn't always the happiest ending or anything, no sir. I've said it in the other thread too, the Legion is it's potential for the Empire afterwards. It's not a nation unto itself like the NCR is, much like Julius Caesar, the Colorado is his Rubicon and he's coming back to Rome to build his new Republic. The questions in supporting the Legion is if Caesar can create the republic before he dies, can he have an heir who can do it if he does die (IE, someone competent other than Lanius), and if the means are acceptable to reach the ends. The simple fact is you only ever really see Caesar loving the NCR sideways (and make no mistake, without the courier's intervention, the NCR will lose), and it's very easy to get tricked into thinking the Legion exists just to be a slightly more complex raider faction who are your intended opponents. I believe they had actually intended for you to get some more peaceful Legion stuff on the otherside of the river, it just never got made for time constraints. Which is unfortunate.

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
I don't see the problem with having an outright evil faction. There are outright evil people on real life, and just because most of life isn't always clear cut doesn't mean there aren't also moments where the right choice is obvious.

Fallout and the Witcher both dabble with grey morality at times but that is not always the case nor should it always be the case. Just as there are complicated scenarios in reality, so are there ones with simple solutions. Evil is evil, greater, smaller, middling.

Internet Wizard
Aug 9, 2009

BANDAIDS DON'T FIX BULLET HOLES

Gonna go out on a wild limb here and say that no amount of ends can justify the means of massive slavery, sexual servitude, and genocide

ThaumPenguin
Oct 9, 2013

Nothing good can be built on a foundation of atrocity, the means determine the end.

Lightningproof
Feb 23, 2011

Yeah, I always saw the stuff about Obsidian wanting to add more detail about life under the Legion as a desire to flesh out the faction and make them more believable, rather than as a desire to make a "Maybe the roving army of rapists is right" argument.

2house2fly
Nov 14, 2012

You did a super job wrapping things up! And I'm not just saying that because I have to!
Whatever the Legion was intended as, what they are is an unambiguous villain faction with a cool backstory and some neat characters. That's probably more fitting for the series than four morally grey options; joining the Legion is just a more in-depth version of joining The Master back in the day

Light Gun Man
Oct 17, 2009

toEjaM iS oN
vaCatioN




Lipstick Apathy
The dude who was set on fire and kicked out of the legion and spends his time maintaining a never ending pile of pistols seems like the reasonable one in comparison to the legion, so...

watho
Aug 2, 2013


The real world will, again tomorrow, function and run without me.

is there a mod to make ed-e in the base game behave like in lonesome road? i miss the happy wiggle he does and stuff like that

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
I wish. I know it's supposed to be sad that the Mojave ED-E is essentially brain damaged, but his Lonesome Road copy is too adorable

watho
Aug 2, 2013


The real world will, again tomorrow, function and run without me.

yeah the ending of lonesome road genuinely made me tear up because of how cute, expressive, and well written he was. the way they work around dialogue that the player can’t understand but the player character can is genius

NikkolasKing
Apr 3, 2010



ThaumPenguin posted:

Nothing good can be built on a foundation of atrocity, the means determine the end.

And this is why Wild Card is the only defensible choice. The NCR looks prettier than the Legion but they're still just invading imperialists here to rob the Mojae of a valuable resource. They're emulating America specifically Manifest Destiny (*cough Lebenstraum *cough*) America. And of course the first thing House did when he woke up was kill all the poor people until the rest took the hint and moved into their ghettos to die slowly there instead.

Every faction save Yes Man is an outsider trying to impose their will on the Mojave and force it to comply to their whims and have already committed various crimes before the game even began.

i am tim!
Jan 5, 2005

God damn it, where are my ant keys?! I'm gonna miss my flight!
^^^
EDIT: It’s funny, while my favourite play through is easily House because the performance is just so awesome (RIP), I could only ever look at my character as “Becoming House’s Vader.” He’s straight up Palpatine evil.

Lightningproof posted:

Yeah, I always saw the stuff about Obsidian wanting to add more detail about life under the Legion as a desire to flesh out the faction and make them more believable, rather than as a desire to make a "Maybe the roving army of rapists is right" argument.

Yeah, this is pretty much the only reason I would be interested in seeing more Legion land. I’m comfortable with thinking that the of cosplaying rapists lead by a guy hopped up on Hegel is 100% evil. From speaking with Raul or that one trader in the Legion, you get the impression that people only support them because they have no choice: either they’ve been forced into the slave army after their home was destroyed, or they were up against any number of other cosplay armies hopped up on [insert prewar philosopher here] and picked the one that looked like they could protect their home.

I’m a bit more interested in seeing that since it can inform you of the raw dangers of the wastelands, something that’s a bit absent in New Vegas given how developed the region is.

i am tim! fucked around with this message at 12:34 on May 25, 2020

Timeless Appeal
May 28, 2006

SpookyLizard posted:

Fallout definitely wasn't built on any kind of concepts of grey morality where the good choice isn't always the happiest ending or anything, no sir. I've said it in the other thread too, the Legion is it's potential for the Empire afterwards. It's not a nation unto itself like the NCR is, much like Julius Caesar, the Colorado is his Rubicon and he's coming back to Rome to build his new Republic. The questions in supporting the Legion is if Caesar can create the republic before he dies, can he have an heir who can do it if he does die (IE, someone competent other than Lanius), and if the means are acceptable to reach the ends. The simple fact is you only ever really see Caesar loving the NCR sideways (and make no mistake, without the courier's intervention, the NCR will lose), and it's very easy to get tricked into thinking the Legion exists just to be a slightly more complex raider faction who are your intended opponents. I believe they had actually intended for you to get some more peaceful Legion stuff on the otherside of the river, it just never got made for time constraints. Which is unfortunate.
The whole theme of New Vegas is to let go of the past. It's like the moral of every single companion's happy ending like Boone having to learn to forgive himself.

The problem with Caesar beyond the atrocities is that he is trying to restart the World. He's viewing the New World as broken and closer to early history, and so it has to follow the patterns of old history to rebuild itself.

But the big revelation of Fallout is that the world never ended, it just changed.

watho
Aug 2, 2013


The real world will, again tomorrow, function and run without me.

i just wish the followers of the apocalypse didn’t get shafted in the wild card ending because they’re one of my favorite fallout factions

Philippe
Aug 9, 2013

(she/her)

My headcanon is that the Courier talks to Julie Farkas after Hoover Dam II, to bring the Followers into the fold. I'm a dang mailman, what do I know about ruling a city? I've been going off Mister House's notes, and he's dead!

Taerkar
Dec 7, 2002

kind of into it, really

After watching part of a YouTube series I decided to go back and play New Vegas again. I remembered Project Nevada and have been playing with it and some other things from the OP mod list, but I've seen some comments about PN being replaced by new stuff. Is this accurate or just people promoting their own favorite mods?

SpookyLizard
Feb 17, 2009

watho posted:

i just wish the followers of the apocalypse didn’t get shafted in the wild card ending because they’re one of my favorite fallout factions

yeah its almost like there arent any perfectly happy endings

NikkolasKing posted:

And of course the first thing House did when he woke up was kill all the poor people until the rest took the hint and moved into their ghettos to die slowly there instead.

Every faction save Yes Man is an outsider trying to impose their will on the Mojave and force it to comply to their whims and have already committed various crimes before the game even began.

the tribals house put down werent poor, they werent even economic. they also refused his generous offer, so if they want to live poo poo lives in freeside, uh, gently caress em. Even the loving cannibals had enough sense to sign up, and theyve got one of the classiest joints in town. Freeside isnt House's domain, dude pretty clearly defines his territory.

ill never understand how people think fallout is a good vs evil setting

Taerkar posted:

After watching part of a YouTube series I decided to go back and play New Vegas again. I remembered Project Nevada and have been playing with it and some other things from the OP mod list, but I've seen some comments about PN being replaced by new stuff. Is this accurate or just people promoting their own favorite mods?

PN still works fine, more or less, but some people find it can lead to poor performance and theres other mods that can replicate its effects with less of an alleged performance hit.

Internet Wizard
Aug 9, 2009

BANDAIDS DON'T FIX BULLET HOLES

Just because they were living subsistence life style doesn’t make it a good thing for the capitalist to come and force them to give up their entire culture and society and cosplay for his entertainment. No part of that is a “generous offer”

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

What is the Matrix 🌐? We just don't know 😎.


Buglord
Yeah House sucks and literally can't dtop from living in the past

Randaconda
Jul 3, 2014

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
counterpoint:

House owns

SpookyLizard
Feb 17, 2009
yes the not so generous offer of "Hey theres this group of assholes coming east calling themselves the NCR, you can either get absorbed or hosed by em (ask those new guys, the Khans), or you can work for me, unfuck the strip, run a casino, have enough food to be loving picky gourmands, host your own entertainment show, make drugs, whatever. Youll be part of the local power structure and help me milk the NCR for every penny theyve got, youll basically have conplete autonomy and ill be around to settle disputes."

if house wasnt around the NCR wouldve done the same poo poo on far less generous terms

Lightningproof
Feb 23, 2011

Didn't this exact argument happen on these exact same terms like a week ago.

Name Change
Oct 9, 2005


I'm from Goodsprings and I say kill 'em all

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

Rabid House supporters are almost definitely libertarians.

Agents are GO!
Dec 29, 2004

Lightningproof posted:

Didn't this exact argument happen on these exact same terms like a week ago.

These exact same arguments have been going on in the FNV non-modding thread for years. Seriously, that thread is fucken fractal, you can skip any number of pages in any direction and its the exact same discussions.

2house2fly
Nov 14, 2012

You did a super job wrapping things up! And I'm not just saying that because I have to!

SpookyLizard posted:

yes the not so generous offer of "Hey theres this group of assholes coming east calling themselves the NCR, you can either get absorbed or hosed by em (ask those new guys, the Khans), or you can work for me, unfuck the strip, run a casino, have enough food to be loving picky gourmands, host your own entertainment show, make drugs, whatever. Youll be part of the local power structure and help me milk the NCR for every penny theyve got, youll basically have conplete autonomy and ill be around to settle disputes."

if house wasnt around the NCR wouldve done the same poo poo on far less generous terms

On the other hand, the Khans specifically didn't take this deal

Internet Wizard
Aug 9, 2009

BANDAIDS DON'T FIX BULLET HOLES

SpookyLizard posted:

yes the not so generous offer of "Hey theres this group of assholes coming east calling themselves the NCR, you can either get absorbed or hosed by em (ask those new guys, the Khans), or you can work for me, unfuck the strip, run a casino, have enough food to be loving picky gourmands, host your own entertainment show, make drugs, whatever. Youll be part of the local power structure and help me milk the NCR for every penny theyve got, youll basically have conplete autonomy and ill be around to settle disputes."

if house wasnt around the NCR wouldve done the same poo poo on far less generous terms

Making “deals” under the barrel of a gun that erase entire societies and cultures just because somebody else might do the same thing doesn’t make it better

Woebin
Feb 6, 2006

Yeah the deal is basically "you can live here on my terms or you can get murdered", real generous.

Raygereio
Nov 12, 2012

Internet Wizard posted:

Making “deals” under the barrel of a gun that erase entire societies and cultures just because somebody else might do the same thing doesn’t make it better
Okay. But why is House specifically evil for doing it. When the NCR and the Legion do basically the same imperialism thing?

Edit: And evil AI overlord YesMan will undoubtedly be pulling the same poo poo.

Raygereio fucked around with this message at 23:39 on May 26, 2020

Internet Wizard
Aug 9, 2009

BANDAIDS DON'T FIX BULLET HOLES

The Legion is also plainly evil. The NCR is only somewhat evil because at least there‘s the veneer of being a liberal democracy.

House is the most evil in this case because he actually did exterminate many people with drone warfare, and destroyed the culture and way of life for many others.

Punkinhead
Apr 2, 2015

Raygereio posted:

Okay. But why is House specifically evil for doing it. When the NCR and the Legion do basically the same imperialism thing?

I guess it's really gonna blow your mind when I tell you some of us don't like the NCR, the Legion, or House. It's almost like there's an ending for it in the game or something.

2house2fly
Nov 14, 2012

You did a super job wrapping things up! And I'm not just saying that because I have to!
I don't think that House is more evil than the Legion

Raygereio
Nov 12, 2012

PinheadSlim posted:

It's almost like there's an ending for it in the game or something.
That is not real ending. It’s there to placate cowards who can’t make a choice and indulge silly power fantasies.:colbert:

I choose not to be stabbed in the back by the obviously evil AI.

Name Change
Oct 9, 2005


New Vegas belongs to the Deathclaws.

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Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

What is the Matrix 🌐? We just don't know 😎.


Buglord

2house2fly posted:

I don't think that House is more evil than the Legion

i don't think house is significantly better than the legioin

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