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Maxwell Adams posted:Didn't nVidia have a stockpile of old stuff this time around, so they stuck on a newer memory interface, and that's how we got the 1660 line? no, turing minor is architecturally distinct from pascal, and you can't just "stick on a newer memory interface" without doing tapeout all over again, unless it's specifically designed in from the beginning
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I don't feel confident in trying to predict what is going to happen with Nvidia GPUs because the market has been weird for a while. Nvidia has been dominant for the last several years, AMD keeps stepping on their own dick when it comes to GPUs even as their CPUs have gotten good, and the artificial market for bitcoin mining seems to be a thing of the past.
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Ya, I don't think you can mine a bitcoin even with a building full of GPUs there days. The purpose-built stuff is just so better at crunching the magic numbers.
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ElBrak posted:Ya, I don't think you can mine a bitcoin even with a building full of GPUs there days. The purpose-built stuff is just so better at crunching the magic numbers. The GPU shortage wasn't caused by people mining BTC directly though, because you're right that the days of GPU mining BTC has long since past. But there are plenty of other coins that are still mineable by GPUs (some of them are intentionally designed to frustrate ASICs). If the price of BTC spikes up again, expect to see those other coins also rise in value and then we're potentially back in the same situation all over again.
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DrDork posted:The GPU shortage wasn't caused by people mining BTC directly though, because you're right that the days of GPU mining BTC has long since past. But there are plenty of other coins that are still mineable by GPUs (some of them are intentionally designed to frustrate ASICs). If the price of BTC spikes up again, expect to see those other coins also rise in value and then we're potentially back in the same situation all over again. Thing is, it turns out that the people designing ASICS are better at their jobs than the people designing algorithms that are impossible to mine on ASICS, particularly since the former have (in some cases) billions of dollars of incentive to make it work. Basically all of the “ASIC-resistant” coins now have ASICS. It is sort of Schneier's Law in action, “anyone can design a cryptosystem that they themselves cannot break”. Or in this case, anyone can design an algorithm that they themselves cannot build an ASIC for. There is a new new generation of ASIC-resistant algorithms like RandomX that (instead of relying on memory bandwidth to bottleneck parallelization) have resorted to building an arbitrary program out of instructions so that it resembles a general purpose processor even more closely, but the thing is that's still fairly trivial to parallelize, and such programs still have much shorter programs with a much more limited instruction set than a “real” processor so IMO it should still be possible to construct a smaller, more efficient asic to accelerate this small subset of the continuum of Turing-computable programs, without having to construct a fully general processor that's fast at arbitrary tasks. When you throw billions of dollars of incentive, someone is going to do it. Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at 16:53 on May 26, 2020 |
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Paul MaudDib posted:Thing is, it turns out that people are better at designing ASICS than people are at designing algorithms that are impossible to mine on ASICS, particularly since the former have (in some cases) billions of dollars of incentive to make it work. Basically all of the “ASIC-resistant” coins now have ASICS. Yeah, "resistant" just means it takes longer for ASICs to show up, not that they won't show up. Though considering how in the toilet a lot of the values are, it wouldn't surprise me if it made them unattractive for new ASIC development. Of course those coins are basically unattractive for mining in general, so who cares? In the end the point is that it doesn't matter that BTC or any other given coin isn't efficient to mine on GPUs: if BTC's price spikes up again, someone will set up a new GPU-efficient (at least for a while) coin that people will start dog piling in to for the 6-12 months it takes for ASICs to drive everyone else out.
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Update on my 2070 Super saga: The preauthorization for Best Buy has disappeared from bank account, but the order still shows as "delayed" on their website and the options to change or cancel are still grayed and inoperable. The card shows out of stock, so is clearly backordered, which Best Buy's terms of service indicates means I should be able to cancel it at any time. I REALLY don't want that charge to show up again just because they can't make their ordering system work right. I've posted on their customer service forums the last couple days in hopes of getting a response, but so far have heard nothing. The card I ordered from NewEgg is showing it is waiting to be picked up by the shipper, and that it should arrive tomorrow.
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Paul MaudDib posted:Thing is, it turns out that the people designing ASICS are better at their jobs than the people designing algorithms that are impossible to mine on ASICS, particularly since the former have (in some cases) billions of dollars of incentive to make it work. Basically all of the “ASIC-resistant” coins now have ASICS. There's a bunch of coins that released their own ASICs, because "well people are going to do it, so it might as well be us, it makes it official" lol SiaCoin for sure did it, and a few others whose names have been forgotten to the sands of time I was actually mining Siacoins for a bit, and it seemed useful thing for extra storage, but decided to quit after they pulled that ASIC move. Oh and the fact that their app lost all the data I was testing for backups. Oh and it charged me like 100 dollars worth of "siacoins" that I'd mined, for no reason. Oh and also when they posted on their FAQ "Is it possible that there could be illegal content hosted on Siacoin drives? Well yes, but you know, it's encrypted, and we totally don't agree with that, it's uncool, so don't. We don't really have any protection, you might be hosting nuclear bomb plans for all we know" Crypto is such a scam Comfy Fleece Sweater fucked around with this message at 19:52 on May 26, 2020 |
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CaptainSarcastic posted:I've posted on their customer service forums the last couple days in hopes of getting a response, but so far have heard nothing. If there's one near you, you could get their customer service reps/store manager to fix this I suspect. Tough to ignore you when you're physically there, if that's an option.
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CaptainSarcastic posted:I've posted on their customer service forums the last couple days in hopes of getting a response, but so far have heard nothing. Usually going on a company twitter or Facebook page does wonders with getting stuff done. It seems like companies only really respond to public pressure and social media accounts do that wonderfully
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buglord posted:Usually going on a company twitter or Facebook page does wonders with getting stuff done. It seems like companies only really respond to public pressure and social media accounts do that wonderfully I've already given that a shot, but their Facebook page section for questions and comments is some half-assed app that is just an interface to their customer service forums. One cool thing about this app is that it requires a login and then pops up a captcha which extends out of the Facebook frame and is impossible to complete. I ended up just going directly to the forum after that. I'd really rather not create a Twitter account just to drag Best Buy but I'll consider it.
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that minecraft arpg was the first game to hardcrash my gpu into a reboot lol
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Cao Ni Ma posted:that minecraft arpg was the first game to hardcrash my gpu into a reboot lol They took some cues from  on how to make a launcher for it, too. https://bugs.mojang.com/browse/MCL-14107
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Kazinsal posted:They took some cues from 21 years after Myth II. What’s old is new again.
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Half-Life did that too. I actually knew about it, but I thought/assumed it was fixed in later patches and my game had the newest patch. Welp, 
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Somehow EVGA has a whole bunch of 1080 Ti cards on their Wednesday Madness sale. Somebody must have tripped over a box in their basement marked "Rainy Day". They are asking $500-600 range and that tells you what the market is right now.
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Tempted, but still not going to budge from my $400, 30 month old 1080.
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iv46vi posted:Somehow EVGA has a whole bunch of 1080 Ti cards on their Wednesday Madness sale. Somebody must have tripped over a box in their basement marked "Rainy Day". They are asking $500-600 range and that tells you what the market is right now. lol man. that is absolutely bonkers to me thats about to be 2 generations removed and there still isnt a product that can compete with it from AMD
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Statutory Ape posted:lol man. that is absolutely bonkers to me In fairness the super line isn't a real generation, so more like 1.5 generations removed. It is an old card though.
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When's the next news dump? Is there another Nvidia or ATI conference coming up, or will it probably be the ps5 announcement in early June as people speculate? I'm interested in any of the gaming related graphics news, as I have a pc and plan on getting a ps5 probably.
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Well, there's rumors of desktop RX 5300, in case you really want to experience grappling with AMD drivers on the cheap
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Hasn't that existed for months as oem-only card for the likes of Dell and HP? I guess if they're going to start selling retail cards it's news.
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iv46vi posted:Somehow EVGA has a whole bunch of 1080 Ti cards on their Wednesday Madness sale. Somebody must have tripped over a box in their basement marked "Rainy Day". They are asking $500-600 range and that tells you what the market is right now. That's the price range for a 2070 Super, which appears to bench about the same but also has raytracing. From a quick look there are a few things the 1080 ti still does slightly better at, and it's got more RAM, but it's still hard for me to see that as a good value proposition.
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I’m not sure if any 5300s actually shipped. There were some low key product announcements from HP for office towers but I don’t see any evidence of one in the wild. All the product pages now list the 5500 instead, and they scuttled the AIB launch completely last year. 5300s do exist in the mobile world, with the MacBook Pro prolly the biggest user.
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iv46vi posted:Somehow EVGA has a whole bunch of 1080 Ti cards on their Wednesday Madness sale. Somebody must have tripped over a box in their basement marked "Rainy Day". They are asking $500-600 range and that tells you what the market is right now. Eugh, aren't the squirrel cages on those Founders Edition cards louder, too? Also lol it's B-stock so you're only getting a one year warranty on it too gently caress video cards
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Got my 2070 Super from NewEgg today, and it's up and running fine so far. Haven't really put it through its paces yet, but I fired up Far Cry 5 and put the settings all the way up and enabled HD textures and benchmarked it, and it bottomed out at 86 fps. By comparison, I've been limping along with a 1060 6GB with a mishmash of quality settings and dynamic resolution and was barely keeping it around 70 fps. The card is massive - three fans and longer than the motherboard - but that will hopefully help keep the heat down since it's spread over a larger area.
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Shrimp or Shrimps posted:1060s are definitely feeling their age. its true. i went from maxing out whatever i wanted on current games with that card to picking and choosing what i want in call of duty
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New Doom on my 1070 was everything maxed out with 100+ fps at 1440p but Warzone is garbage. Most stuff at medium for ~80 or so.
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Shaocaholica posted:Does Nvidia SLI work better with older GPUs? Older games? Specific drivers? Yes, yes, no. I had 980ti's in SLI and for some games it was the dream with very close to +75% FPS gains (I think WoW, I can't rememeber), and in other games it was a nightmare where I'd have to go into the nvidia control panel to turn off one card (PUBG).
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I would think it works equally well with modern cards, apart from the diminishing returns of getting very high frame rate in a 2012 era title that come from throwing an excessive amount of horsepower at it. You get better speedup out of doubling two 50fps cards than you will out of doubling two 150 fps cards due to bottlenecks elsewhere in the pipeline. The real problem is old games vs modern games. Modern games just don’t support it well, and it means giving up TAA, DLSS, checkerboarding, and other temporal rendering techniques that are incompatible with AFR. Paul MaudDib fucked around with this message at 18:37 on May 28, 2020 |
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Cool cool thanks. I'm fine playing older games. This is going to be a gimmick (laptop) project. Because SLI in a laptop is a 'good' idea.
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TAA is never going away, it's not perfect but the alternatives are either increasingly ineffective (FXAA/SMAA can make in-surface aliasing worse, MSAA doesn't make it worse but doesn't help either) or too expensive to be practical (supersampling lol) The best you can hope for is smarter TAAs like DLSS 2.0 to be more widely supported
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Playing games is one of my biggest hobbies and I still have to look up which AA to use for my GPU every single time. It's the only setting I feel like I need to do this for.
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repiv posted:TAA is never going away, it's not perfect but the alternatives are either increasingly ineffective (FXAA/SMAA can make in-surface aliasing worse, MSAA doesn't make it worse but doesn't help either) or too expensive to be practical (supersampling lol) this is my understanding, TAA is the worst form of AA except for all the others. it would be glorious if we could actually do 2x or 4x SSAA but that's always going to be a thing limited to retro titles that you come back to in 5-10 years with significantly more horsepower than originally designed for the other options basically all suck in their own ways, MSAA is probably the least bad behind SSAA and TAA. VelociBacon posted:Playing games is one of my biggest hobbies and I still have to look up which AA to use for my GPU every single time. It's the only setting I feel like I need to do this for. yeah pretty much
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Truga posted:most game's taa implementation looks worse than no aa Game's like Warframe just expect you not to notice because everything is moving so fast, but your ship looks like it's covered in vaseline or something. Some games also just require players to enable V-Sync and all the input lag and potential frame drops that come with it because they coded their game in a way with an absurd amount of tearing. People definitely get lazy with TAA. ufarn fucked around with this message at 18:44 on May 28, 2020 |
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