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# ? May 17, 2020 16:05 |
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# ? May 17, 2020 16:07 |
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Lol, wrekt.
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# ? May 17, 2020 16:07 |
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Mission accomplished! The GLA won't ever be using that train again!
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# ? May 17, 2020 16:07 |
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splifyphus posted:This hilarious thread made me discover that practically everything Frank Klepacki has ever done is up on spotify. I've tried OpenRA before, but it felt like the AI was "off" from what I remembered. Then I found https://forums.cncnet.org/topic/1165-how-to-install-red-alert-1-on-windows-xp-vista-7-8-10-linux-mac-32-64bit/ which just patches the original game to work on modern Windows systems. I installed it a couple weeks back and played through a bunch of the Soviet missions. It's pretty good, although kind of hilarious when you run at native resolution: the radar dome becomes almost pointless because you can see the whole map on-screen, but on the other hand it can be really difficult to pick out a particular unit from a blob. I also learned that I'm not particularly good at Red Alert. Even on easy difficulty, it feels like I'm always just barely hanging in there, fending off constant waves of light tanks and rocket troopers, who are a lot more useful than I remembered.
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# ? May 17, 2020 16:21 |
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# ? May 17, 2020 17:48 |
I think I already knew what the gently caress was happening in C&C, but I loved reading it again in this thread. I don't think the story of the Tiberium games is incredible or anything, but GDI and Nod have always resonated with me since playing Tiberian Dawn, and they're probably my favorite fictional factions.
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# ? May 19, 2020 14:52 |
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I still say they're basically GI Joe and Cobra.
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# ? May 20, 2020 16:19 |
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Red Alert & Tiberian Dawn source code will be released under a GPL license alongside the remastered games: https://www.reddit.com/r/commandandconquer/comments/gnevp8/remaster_update_and_open_source_mod_support/fr97x9x/
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# ? May 20, 2020 20:28 |
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this awesome thread has inspired me to play through Generals. thanks?
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# ? May 20, 2020 21:17 |
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CarpenterWalrus posted:this awesome thread has inspired me to play through Generals. thanks? “AK-47’s for everyone!”
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# ? May 20, 2020 21:24 |
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There is trouble in Dushanbe. The chinese army has been authorized to go nuclear.
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# ? May 21, 2020 13:03 |
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Pictured above on the top left, the chinese army. I'd like to point out that the military hostilities here STARTED when the GLA bombed a mother fuckin' parade.
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# ? May 21, 2020 13:05 |
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Pham Nuwen posted:I've tried OpenRA before, but it felt like the AI was "off" from what I remembered. Then I found https://forums.cncnet.org/topic/1165-how-to-install-red-alert-1-on-windows-xp-vista-7-8-10-linux-mac-32-64bit/ which just patches the original game to work on modern Windows systems. I installed it a couple weeks back and played through a bunch of the Soviet missions. It's pretty good, although kind of hilarious when you run at native resolution: the radar dome becomes almost pointless because you can see the whole map on-screen, but on the other hand it can be really difficult to pick out a particular unit from a blob. it's because C&C1 and RA1 are both 100% scripted in the campaigns, theres no real AI
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# ? May 24, 2020 07:15 |
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Despite the horrid racism and jingoism I will give Generals credit for really making flavorful factions. I especially really liked the gimmick of the GLA vehicles using scrap from destroyed foes to upgrade. China also had the horde bonus thing that kept their basic infantry and tanks competitive even after you teched up to the overlords. Plus hackers were goofy and cool.
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# ? May 26, 2020 08:01 |
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Spookydonut posted:it's because C&C1 and RA1 are both 100% scripted in the campaigns, theres no real AI The last GDI mission of the first game got a lot easier for me when I discovered a pair of resource silos in the bottom right (I think) that were outside of the main base that you could capture and sell and they would immediately get rebuilt and refilled with sweet sweet green death crystal bucks.
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# ? May 26, 2020 14:03 |
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Mokinokaro posted:Despite the horrid racism and jingoism I will give Generals credit for really making flavorful factions. I miss the latter golden age RTS
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# ? May 26, 2020 14:06 |
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Tulip posted:An unexplored consequence of the RA universe is that, given the moment and manner in which things got derailed, there's probably a lot more people in the present who have a neutral to positive opinion of Nazis. reignofevil posted:
Anyway, back to the question of maps in Red Alert - I think pretty much the only time you see a realistic map is the hella sick animation of a dagger dropping on Europe and turning it red during the RA opening. As far as I can tell, that map basically supposes that some sort of nationalist party is in control of Germany, as it has been united with Austria and gobbled up the Czech part of Czechoslovakia. Basically the map of Europe right before the invasion of Poland, which you could explain as just laziness, but it's not like Hitler wasn't tapping into a real desire to unite all the German lands. Speaking of Poland, I think the most likely outcome of an unholy alliance between the historical allies and a nationalist Germany that crushes Russia would be the inverse of the historical outcome of WW2 in regards to Germany and Poland: Instead of losing its eastern territories and having the Polish population moved west into former German territory, it'd instead lose its western (at one point Prussian) territories to Germany and have the Polish population there moved east into its newly acquired eastern territories which it had lost some centuries before. Bit harder to occupy Russia than Germany though, so maybe just carving out a Cossack Republic in the south with an eye to deny them the majority of their oil production. Of course the above would be basically be an endpoint of any sort "Red" in the world, so no more "Red Alert" - in that timeline at least. The obvious direction to take the alternative RA2 from the above scenario would be to go the RA3 route and have Nadia go back in time to undermine the SPD and ensure Germany fell to a socialist revolution like Russia. RA2: It's WW2, but this time the Allies are fighting snappily dressed communists. Basically, making the core thing of the RA games that whatever happens in any given timeline, the next game is someone going back in time to try to prevent it based on the knowledge from their timeline, just spitting out one ridiculous timeline after the other.
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# ? May 26, 2020 15:17 |
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Generals/Zero Hour are the best C&C games but I never actually played much of the campaigns (think I got four deep into China), instead getting big into its many, many mods and its bombast. poo poo blows up real good. Btw, the carpet bombing China uses isn't a USA power until Zero Hour, they get Fuel Air Bombs and A-10s instead. Would be kinda interested in knowing what the gently caress happened in C&C mods like Tiberium Insurrection and MO someday, I bet they go to some wild places.
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# ? May 26, 2020 20:30 |
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reignofevil posted:No joke after we finish up command and conquer alt history I'm gonna launch into an in depth explanation of just what the gently caress was happening in harry turtledove's world war series. Nobody loves harry turtledove more than me! Command and Conquer history and alt-history is cool but I want this thread ASAP I'm just sayin'
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# ? May 27, 2020 00:17 |
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DivineCoffeeBinge posted:Command and Conquer history and alt-history is cool but I want this thread ASAP I'm just sayin' In between putting off updates to this thread and putting off updates to the offworld trading company thread I'm speculating about a trip to the bookstore to fill in the holes in my collection I am deadly serious about this proposed turtledove thread! The same as I'm deadly serious about someday reaching command and conquer zero hour!
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# ? May 27, 2020 00:19 |
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Also thank you A Buttery Pastry for the effort post re: maps and alt history!
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# ? May 27, 2020 01:41 |
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Serious question: did Turtledove have a stroke or something? I loving loved Worldwar and the alternate Confederate victory series because I'm dumb and love trashy alt history. But his latest stuff has been just shockingly bad. And I was really looking forward to his novel set in modern times where the Muslim world was advanced and progressive and Europe was a hyper-conservative shithole but good lord was it badly written.
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# ? May 27, 2020 02:40 |
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Moon Slayer posted:Serious question: did Turtledove have a stroke or something? I loving loved Worldwar and the alternate Confederate victory series because I'm dumb and love trashy alt history. But his latest stuff has been just shockingly bad. And I was really looking forward to his novel set in modern times where the Muslim world was advanced and progressive and Europe was a hyper-conservative shithole but good lord was it badly written. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Years_of_Rice_and_Salt
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# ? May 27, 2020 03:43 |
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reignofevil posted:Also thank you A Buttery Pastry for the effort post re: maps and alt history!
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# ? May 27, 2020 06:28 |
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Least I can do after, you've educated us on the history of the world before Einstein jr. went back in time to convince his dad to drop his time travel plot. I'm picturing him as Trunks with Einstein hair
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# ? May 27, 2020 06:36 |
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Posting this here, despite it being C&C 1 advertising material. I think it is fitting to post it during the Generals play through, given that game is pretty on the nose with many topics and depictions. These ads scream 1990s videogame, like duke nukem or doom ads, or even videocard ads. And a reminder, the C&C and RA1 remasters come out on steam (and origin) next weekend, head over here for more information: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3919118
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# ? May 27, 2020 13:30 |
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drunkill posted:Posting this here, despite it being C&C 1 advertising material. Thanks for the update! Also I had seen those two advertisements before and totally forgotten about them. Good memory on that.
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# ? May 27, 2020 13:34 |
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drunkill posted:Posting this here, despite it being C&C 1 advertising material.
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# ? May 27, 2020 17:05 |
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Taerkar posted:The last GDI mission of the first game got a lot easier for me when I discovered a pair of resource silos in the bottom right (I think) that were outside of the main base that you could capture and sell and they would immediately get rebuilt and refilled with sweet sweet green death crystal bucks. There's 3 different maps for the last mission, this is probably the one you mean Here's the other two
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# ? May 27, 2020 18:44 |
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What determines which map you get for the last mission?
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# ? May 31, 2020 17:19 |
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:What determines which map you get for the last mission? Which arrow you click, I dont remember which is which. edit: just looked at my LP and it's editedit: the above screenshots are in order, ea, eb, ec Spookydonut fucked around with this message at 18:35 on May 31, 2020 |
# ? May 31, 2020 18:31 |
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Harvest the iron ore. Build the tesla coils and Mammoth Tanks. Win. Yeah....I had Red Alert Retaliation for Playstation. What of it?
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# ? Jun 2, 2020 03:01 |
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I'm discovering this thread late, it is wonderful. Thank you! I bring historical information, though! Pertaining to the question of where the tiberiumverse fits in regards to Red Alert. Some dangerously misinformed people (by soviet agents, possibly!) mentioned this: reignofevil posted:Right. Essentially the twin timelines both branch out from the same events, killing hitler. That said even though I gave the copout answer earlier that the red alert timeline is so stuck in a loop that it has never reached the 90's I feel confident that eventually it will be revealed that tiberium and the scrin just don't exist in the red alert universe because of Plot Magic. Grand Fromage posted:The fan explanation is the Allied victory in RA leads to RA2 and 3, while the Soviet victory leads to the tiberium universe. It's possible that if the Soviets lose RA Kane isn't able to do anything and thus the tiberium meteor never shows up? Or something. Including, very relevant to us, very historical pictures of Premier Romanov's apocalypse tanks parading in front of the Kremlin, thus establishing that Renegade and the tiberium games exist within a timeline where RA2 happened. If the stuffed Seth is genuine important historical material, those pictures sure are too! While some humbugs could argue it's possible an intern just grabbed a RA2 cutscene shot thinking it'd count as a RA1 reference, it's worth noting it's in line with the later plans for the canceled Renegade 2, the beta shots of which hint it was going to chronicle the rise of the brotherhood of Nod from the ruins of the soviet union after RA2's allied victory. Although it tells us where C&C fits in regards to Red Alert 1 and 2, but then what about Red Alert 3? Since nukes exist in C&C but not in RA3, does that mean RA3 erased the C&C timeline before it even existed? Remember, never drink and time travel. Speaking of which! It's kinda subtle, but the visual design of this: reignofevil posted:
is actually pretty much this reignofevil posted:
Chev fucked around with this message at 01:43 on Jun 4, 2020 |
# ? Jun 4, 2020 01:09 |
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Chev posted:I'm discovering this thread late, it is wonderful. Thank you! A good post with pertinent information!
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# ? Jun 4, 2020 02:07 |
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Holy poo poo this thread owns and I read it all in one making GBS threads waiting for the lockdown to lift. Now I actually understand the storylines of Command and Conquer which I thought was an impossible task. This thread also made me download Renegade which I haven't played since I was like 13 so nearly 20 years
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# ? Jun 4, 2020 10:42 |
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reignofevil posted:In between putting off updates to this thread and putting off updates to the offworld trading company thread I'm speculating about a trip to the bookstore to fill in the holes in my collection I am deadly serious about this proposed turtledove thread! The same as I'm deadly serious about someday reaching command and conquer zero hour! I'm looking forward to a dive into the Turtledove madness too.
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# ? Jun 5, 2020 01:07 |
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C&C: Renegade is even stupider than I loving remember, it's genuinely impressive. The most notable thing that comes to mind is that at one point you have to destroy a nuclear power plant... that is tucked into the base of a hydraulic dam. lovely youtube screencap, but here: Like. The gently caress? All I want now is a massive novel detailing the long and sordid history of Nod engineering disasters that completely destroyed the environment.
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# ? Jun 5, 2020 09:33 |
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Makes some sense I think? Nuclear plants need shitloads of water. Reminds me that Starcraft Ghost would have been basically their answer to C&C Renegade, but Blizzard apparently just lost interest in it.
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