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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:I still wonder how much is true and how much is studio propaganda. I definitely feel that more than a bit of this is a dude who delivers critical success but ratings bombs accelerating, given how many projects he's become attached to and ejected from ever faster since American Gods. Off the top of my head there was Discovery which I forget if it was directly before or after AG S1, then Amazing Stories, then he was on and off of the cursed Vampire Chronicles series (in his defense, that poo poo has changed entire NETWORKS since he left, so it ain't all Fuller)...
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I would believe it was studio propaganda if the same thing didn't keep happening to Fuller over and over again. The guy produces some amazing TV, but even I can't figure out how he spent that much money on season 1 of American Gods. Like, season 1 was very good, but there had to be a giant pit he was literally burning money in to reach the budget he supposedly spent making those episodes because the show itself doesn't show anything resembling that kind of money.
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May 27, 2020 08:29
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I'm guessing it has to do with Fuller's perfectionism and attention to detail. I don't know a lot about American Gods but I do know Hannibal employed a "food stylist" whose entire job was not only making the meals shown in the show look incredible but also like they probably also contained human flesh. Put a bunch of incredibly niche stuff like that, especially in something as fantastical as AG, and you got a ballooning budget and Fuller demanding $9 million per episode for Season 2 (for reference, the first season of Game of Thrones cost $6 million per ep.) Bean counting execs are the devil, we all know, but every so often they do have a point. Case in point: Michael Cimino's Heaven's Gate and most Kickstarter projects. AceOfFlames fucked around with this message at 09:20 on May 27, 2020 |
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May 27, 2020 09:17
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I don't even like the book American Gods because it felt like two unrelated plots jammed together with the connecting tissue being the world's most boring man. You could have easily adapted it into four solid hours.
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May 27, 2020 09:53
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American Gods was so amazing even the obligatory filler episodes were great. CGI djinn jizz and all.
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May 27, 2020 13:32
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married but discreet posted:American Gods was so amazing even the obligatory filler episodes were great. CGI djinn jizz and all. They put that in? drat
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May 27, 2020 13:43
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Uhhh https://twitter.com/augenblicknyc/status/1265325374008893447 Trailer here. Apparently this came out in 2016 in the UK only, and it's now on CBS All Access. The visual style looks like the Ugly Americans animators doing 60s Steve Ditko, which I have to admit looks visually compelling. But I don't have the heart to watch the trailer unmuted.
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May 27, 2020 15:02
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Ghost Leviathan posted:And for a moment I was wondering if Joss is lowkey racist or just hates him for being a jock. Just to clarify, not only did Whedon remove most scenes relating to Cyborg, they almost entirely removed his mother from the movie, removed scenes with his father, and removed all scenes with Iris West, played by a black actress. And instead they inserted a segment involving a (white) russian family that adds nothing.
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May 27, 2020 15:57
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McCloud posted:Just to clarify, not only did Whedon remove most scenes relating to Cyborg, they almost entirely removed his mother from the movie, removed scenes with his father, and removed all scenes with Iris West, played by a black actress. And instead they inserted a segment involving a (white) russian family that adds nothing. belarus needs representation too
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May 27, 2020 16:02
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Tbf he did that to Chinese people in firefly His own show
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Alan Smithee posted:Tbf he did that to Chinese people in firefly Hmm im sensing a pattern here https://youtu.be/QyrDgEz3DR0
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May 27, 2020 19:04
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Anonymous Zebra posted:I would believe it was studio propaganda if the same thing didn't keep happening to Fuller over and over again. The guy produces some amazing TV, but even I can't figure out how he spent that much money on season 1 of American Gods. Like, season 1 was very good, but there had to be a giant pit he was literally burning money in to reach the budget he supposedly spent making those episodes because the show itself doesn't show anything resembling that kind of money. I mean, American Gods s1 has a cast of almost entirely big names, looks really good for TV, is pretty effects-heavy (with the effects being at least solid, if not movie-quality)... I can see how Fuller spent that much, and I'm fairly sure it's why season 1 whipped rear end whereas season 2 was bland as hell. e: and honestly, I think it's some of both. Fuller's got a sort of creative ADHD and isn't exactly great with money, but it's counterbalanced by him always doing so in pursuit of making good shows, and generally leaving a project of his own volition when either the suits aren't interested in the same goal as him or there's other factors stonewalling him. (with Hannibal, for instance, the main holdup on season 4 was the fact that they wanted to do Silence of the Lambs... but Lifetime has the rights to make stuff based on the Clarice character, so it would have to either channel-hop or wait out Lifetime's license, so he just said "gently caress it" and ended the show and bailed for American Gods.) WeedlordGoku69 fucked around with this message at 19:16 on May 27, 2020 |
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May 27, 2020 19:13
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He wrote, produced, and filmed an entire episode and decided he didn't like it and cut it from the season. The guy makes good TV but he wastes huge amounts of money to do it. I mean, it's possible to be a good showrunner and still stick to budgets and work with studios instead of bailing from show to show while burning your bridges behind you.
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May 27, 2020 20:19
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got any sevens posted:Hmm im sensing a pattern here Don't forget Firefly's whole browncoat mentality is based on the Confederate 'Lost Cause'. Also the first line of dialogue out of a black man's character is asking a white woman if she's ever been raped. And then there was that female conman who might as well have been written by the MRA section of reddit.
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May 27, 2020 22:38
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Come And See posted:Also the first line of dialogue out of a black man's character is asking a white woman if she's ever been raped. Not the first, but certainly the most memorable, for all the wrong reasons
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May 27, 2020 22:44
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Sorry, meant the first line out of that particular character. Final episode of the series, mysterious and competant bounty hunter jobs Nathan Fillion, we're a good chunk into the episode, tension is building and then... that.
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May 27, 2020 23:05
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AceOfFlames posted:I'm guessing it has to do with Fuller's perfectionism and attention to detail. I don't know a lot about American Gods but I do know Hannibal employed a "food stylist" whose entire job was not only making the meals shown in the show look incredible but also like they probably also contained human flesh. Put a bunch of incredibly niche stuff like that, especially in something as fantastical as AG, and you got a ballooning budget and Fuller demanding $9 million per episode for Season 2 (for reference, the first season of Game of Thrones cost $6 million per ep.) I mean literally any show that has food in it employs a food stylist, I dunno why you'd frame it as some weird niche thing. They just hired someone who is very good at it, and made it a regular part of the show to display Hannibal's proclivities.
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May 28, 2020 02:15
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I hope these are all euphemisms for “he dies”
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May 28, 2020 03:02
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Indy suffers the same fate as Ragnar Lothbrok.
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Come And See posted:Sorry, meant the first line out of that particular character. Final episode of the series, mysterious and competant bounty hunter jobs Nathan Fillion, we're a good chunk into the episode, tension is building and then... that. Uh.... no, that scene is Juble Early's, like, fourth scene in that episode and he has dialogue in each of the three prior to that
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The Clowner posted:Uh.... no, that scene is Juble Early's, like, fourth scene in that episode and he has dialogue in each of the three prior to that Huh. I apologize. In my distaste for Firefly I tried to forget as much of it as I could. Like you said, certainly the most memorable, for all the wrong reasons. My friends demanded I watch it and I hated every second (except for the hospital episode, that one was not bad).
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May 28, 2020 05:03
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Come And See posted:Sorry, meant the first line out of that particular character. Final episode of the series, mysterious and competant bounty hunter jobs Nathan Fillion, we're a good chunk into the episode, tension is building and then... that. That character, Book and the operative in the movie made me wonder if every black man in the Firefly universe is or was a, uh, black ops dude. I can't remember any other male black characters who'd buck that trend, but then again I haven't seen the show in years.
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May 28, 2020 05:05
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can the bad guys be american this time make nazis too to keep things relatable
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Snowman_McK posted:There's so many insane sequences in that show that I'm sort of guessing. My pick would have been faceless hannibal. It's not the goriest scene, but I found it to be really unsettling. Especially the way Mads moves around an extremely dangerous killer with absolutely no fear or concern. Or how friendly he was with the guy he's killing in that scene. Somehow that was the only scene that legit freaked me the gently caress out in that whole series I really should give it a rewatch to see what exactly it is about that scene in particular
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Anonymous Zebra posted:Yeah, this is what I meant earlier. HBOMax is buying the streaming rights to all of the future seasons of the Arrowverse shows as part of their attempts to be the go to place for DC content. Batwoman will also only stream on HBOMax. unless there was some news I missed, Netflix still has the streaming rights to all current and future seasons of CW shows that premiered prior to the 2019-2020 season, so the Arrowverse rights are going to be split going forward
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Come And See posted:Huh. I apologize. In my distaste for Firefly I tried to forget as much of it as I could. Like you said, certainly the most memorable, for all the wrong reasons.
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May 28, 2020 10:22
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Alan Smithee posted:can the bad guys be american this time It's 2020, Americans are Nazis.
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The real reason Reylo cannot be is that Rey would get a stiff neck and Kylo a bad back one year into the relationship.
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Punkin Spunkin posted:It's shocking how overrated it is. Just kind of a tacky mediocre sci fi show. I got maybe halfway through. It is really weird to think how absolutely huge Firefly was for about two years. I feel like it has to be a mix of riding off peak Buffy popularity, people looking for a replacement after being burned by the Star Wars prequels, and the show being aired out of order and then cancelled immediately allowing nerds to project their preferences onto the show moreso than actually dealing with it. Mixed with an admittedly strong cast and the occasional innovative gimmicks like the Chinese words and space silence.
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quote:In 1980, Kinski refused the lead villain role of Major Arnold Toht in Raiders of the Lost Ark, telling director Steven Spielberg, "This script is a yawn-making, boring pile of poo poo"[22] and "moronically lovely".[23]
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May 28, 2020 19:42
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i can't imagine spielberg trying to reign in someone like klaus kinski
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May 28, 2020 19:51
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Coaaab posted:i can't imagine spielberg trying to reign in someone like klaus kinski Spielberg would totally take an offer of having Kinski murdered. Better question: what would a Werner Herzog directed Indiana Jones look like?
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May 28, 2020 20:11
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Still not too late. Abandon these silly Indiana Jones 5 plans, get in Herzog to direct Nicholas Cage as Benjamin Jones Gates...Indie's younger brother. He changed his name to avoid the fame of being treasure hunter named Jones and all those accusations of nepotism.
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May 28, 2020 20:36
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AceOfFlames posted:Spielberg would totally take an offer of having Kinski murdered.
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Punkin Spunkin posted:Still not too late. Abandon these silly Indiana Jones 5 plans, get in Herzog to direct Nicholas Cage as Benjamin Jones Gates...Indie's younger brother. Just have Herzog make National Treasure 3
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Here's a cool article about how they did the effects for Casper with real time hand drawn animation https://beforesandafters.com/2020/05/28/the-real-time-hand-drawn-animatics-process-that-made-casper-possible/
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Tars Tarkas posted:Here's a cool article about how they did the effects for Casper with real time hand drawn animation Wouldn't that be a terrible strain on the animators wrists?
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