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For a (very apropos) second, I thought the "Chris Claremont" label was attached to the giant pile of money and not the guy in the X-Man t-shirt.
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Denys Cowan looking smooth AF even as a caricature.
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Did Herb Trimpe regularly fly around the building in a biplane?
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May 28, 2020 17:21
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He was on Kong patrol.
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May 28, 2020 17:23
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Yvonmukluk posted:Did Herb Trimpe regularly fly around the building in a biplane? Herb used to own a 1939 Stearman biplane. Jim Shooter tells a nice story of taking Jim's dad for a ride in it.
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May 28, 2020 17:29
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re-read patsy walker aka hellcat yesterday and goddamn i love brittney williams' art. also i had forgotten that issue 6 is literally a shojo manga lol  
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One of my pet peeves is people wearing stupid and ugly outfits in comics so I always liked that in Hellcat everyone, regardless of what you think about the art on a stylistic level, had pretty cute and character-informed clothes on. I really like Patsy's dress on that page.
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i guess i should have added credit since i posted those panels, but that issue was done by natasha allegri
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How Wonderful! posted:One of my pet peeves is people wearing stupid and ugly outfits in comics so I always liked that in Hellcat everyone, regardless of what you think about the art on a stylistic level, had pretty cute and character-informed clothes on. I really like Patsy's dress on that page. Mark Bagley talked about ugly fashion back in the 90s. He was always trying to make Peter (and later Ben) look cool in civvies.
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I always thought civilian identities should look like unremarkable schlubs for the most part. I don't like when I see the Avengers together in their civilian clothes and they still look like a colorful superteam with their distinct style. They shouldn't stand out in a crowd. It makes them feel more like people and less like action figures. I mean obviously Tony Stark is always going to wear a somewhat flashy suit and Cap's never going to wear a giant baggy t-shirt that says "Juicy", but you know what I mean. Lurdiak fucked around with this message at 21:30 on Jun 3, 2020 |
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Lurdiak posted:Cap's never going to wear a giant baggy t-shirt that says "Juicy", but you know what I mean. yeah, thats what it says on his shorts. duh
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ive been reading exiles the past few days and its a perfectly serviceable book with some good highs but never any real low lows and i was thinking about how today this would be a book that never gets past 8-12 issues and then i remembered that the whole reason i bookmarked exiles to read was because it came back and got swiftly cancelled lol
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Cap would a Dodgers fan who is pissed the dodgers are in LA, but would wear Dodgers hats all the time.
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Jun 6, 2020 20:32
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site posted:ive been reading exiles the past few days and its a perfectly serviceable book with some good highs but never any real low lows and i was thinking about how today this would be a book that never gets past 8-12 issues and then i remembered that the whole reason i bookmarked exiles to read was because it came back and got swiftly cancelled lol Not only that it happened twice. There was a Jeff Parker Exiles in 2009 that got canned in six issues.
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Exiles is supremely of its time in a way that actually helps modern reading, I think. If you want the early to mid 2000s style it's got everything. You like anime? We got kinda anime art. You like hot Asian chicks? Bam, Sunfire's a lady now. You like lesbians? She's gay, too. You like Chuck Austen's X-Men? Too bad, there's a crossover that saps you of any desire to read on.
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Blockhouse posted:Not only that it happened twice. There was a Jeff Parker Exiles in 2009 that got canned in six issues. I kinda lament that we don't live in the era when an oddball team book can last for fifty issues or more.
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Blockhouse posted:Not only that it happened twice. There was a Jeff Parker Exiles in 2009 that got canned in six issues. Hell, technically three times, since you could argue Web Warriors was a spider-themed Exiles series. Or four if you count X-Treme X-Men!
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Dawgstar posted:I kinda lament that we don't live in the era when an oddball team book can last for fifty issues or more. Poor Jeff Parker. You can't say they didn't give Agents of Atlas a chance. 
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Lord_Hambrose posted:Poor Jeff Parker. You can't say they didn't give Agents of Atlas a chance. It seems the best we can get is, er, the new Agents of Atlas which is a series of mini-series that tie into things but even then it doesn't leave time for the oddball things you could get when you had a long-running series like the day in the life issues where people might not have put on their costume at all.
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Are we considering the original Champions to be an "oddball" team in the way that Exiles is/was? I'm not familiar with Exiles but the Champions were a ridiculous hodgepodge of characters that had no business ever teaming up (which is why I love the idea of them).
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Happy Hippo posted:Are we considering the original Champions to be an "oddball" team in the way that Exiles is/was? I'm not familiar with Exiles but the Champions were a ridiculous hodgepodge of characters that had no business ever teaming up (which is why I love the idea of them). Honestly I think Defenders might be first, especially once you had like Valkyrie and Hawkeye just hanging around there in the early issues, even though Namor and Hulk both got really mad at the idea they were in a 'team.'
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Dawgstar posted:Honestly I think Defenders might be first, especially once you had like Valkyrie and Hawkeye just hanging around there in the early issues, even though Namor and Hulk both got really mad at the idea they were in a 'team.' I know Defenders was a thing first, I said the original Champions to distinguish them from the team that currently (recently?) used the name. Maybe you read my post as asking if the Champs were the original oddball team..?
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i cant believe theres some xmen mini in between exiles 99 and the final issue, 100, that apparently brings back nocturne, and adds 3 new characters to the roster and the trade doesnt include any of it. i have no idea what happens in between the final two issues. thanks guys also lol that claremont takes over the last 12?? issues and the first thing he does is add psylocke and kitty pride to the team because claremont site fucked around with this message at 17:28 on Jun 7, 2020 |
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In one of life's more fun twists, Chris Cooper, the former Marvel editor who was threatened by that racist lady with her dog, was responsible for that incredibly homoerotic swimsuit issue that always gets posted. https://twitter.com/adityab/status/1269625840570036226?s=20
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That's awesome and answers SO MANY QUESTIONS
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Lot of blue lives matter types would get real uncomfortable if they saw that take on the Punisher.
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He also introduced, iirc, Marvel's first out lesbian character, Victoria Montesi, in his somewhat underrated title Darkhold. It's a bit heavy on early 90's guest star bloat and a somewhat watered down attempt to nail a Vertigo-lite style (helped by a few beautiful Richard Case-drawn issues) but a lot of fun overall with a number of fun continuity hijinx.
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Hell yeah, Darkhold Redeemers.
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Dan Didio posted:In one of life's more fun twists, Chris Cooper, the former Marvel editor who was threatened by that racist lady with her dog, was responsible for that incredibly homoerotic swimsuit issue that always gets posted. How Wonderful! posted:He also introduced, iirc, Marvel's first out lesbian character, Victoria Montesi, in his somewhat underrated title Darkhold. It's a bit heavy on early 90's guest star bloat and a somewhat watered down attempt to nail a Vertigo-lite style (helped by a few beautiful Richard Case-drawn issues) but a lot of fun overall with a number of fun continuity hijinx. I'm guessing he's just shot up in demand at the BSS fantasy draft.
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Basically every personal fact about Chris Cooper - all of them a paean to a life well lived - clarifies that there's no amount of excellence, achievement, or personal rarefaction that a black person in America can attain that can totally shield them from the random caprice of state-sanctioned violence. Which is horrible. But also, it's nice to know more about this cool guy and celebrate him, and be extra glad that he's part of the world. Dude rules.
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Yeah, he seems like an awesome guy. He was also co-chair of GLAAD's board of directors in the late 80s, back when it was still starting out and a little more vociferous and full-throated in its advocacy. I think his obscurity to many comics fans goes to show hard it was for a non-white creator to crack the surface of the public eye, or be offered a foothold to move up into greater prominence. I'm thinking of all of Christopher Priest's really damning essays about working at Marvel in the 80s and what an uphill battle it was for him to get stuff done, or how Marvel: The Untold Story almost completely skips over important figures like him, Dwayne McDuffie, and Larry Hama. Everything I've read of Cooper's (to be fair, just Darkhold and his Marvel Star Trek comic which was rad and also featured a major out gay character) was really good promising work by a younger writer but it seems like nobody gave him that extra push somebody like Claremont got when they were at the same rung.
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man, claremont's new exiles not only kinda sucks but its really horny in a bad way that is just a really hard tonal shift from the og book (okay, his issues in the og book were getting kinda bad-horny, but like, compared to say winick and austens stuff) e: forgot to ask, is nicieza's run on thunderbolts any good? my original plan was, after busiek's run i would skip on ahead to ellis' stuff. but now after finishing busiek's run i kinda want to see where things go, because he didnt really write like, an endcap to his stuff or anything. unless it sucks then ill just stick to jumping forward site fucked around with this message at 20:45 on Jun 8, 2020 |
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site posted:man, claremont's new exiles not only kinda sucks but its really horny in a bad way that is just a really hard tonal shift from the og book (okay, his issues in the og book were getting kinda bad-horny, but like, compared to say winick and austens stuff) Then it picked back up with New Thunderbolts immediately after the Fight Club Thunderbolts diversion, and was also pretty continuity porny (The Squadron Sinister!) but if you have any fondness for the core characters in Busiek's run (Zemo, Beetle, Songbird, Atlas, Fixer) and enjoyed Busiek's run you'll probably like Nicieza's too. I say all of this having not read any of it since it came out, so if there's something terrible in the Nicieza run outside of the minor annoyances I listed above, I am not endorsing that
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Nicieza's run takes a minute to find its feet and has this really weird swerve early on, where it goes from a whole new cast back to the old team very quickly and very violently, but it's an interesting deep dive into some of the obscure corners of the Marvel universe after that. It really is the kind of book that Marvel can't do anymore. It is annoying to read it now, though, because it does a lot to explore Zemo and Moonstone in particular making a slow shift from supervillains to antiheroes and back again. Both of those arcs have been casually abandoned since then, of course.
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Did they ever walk back Songbird's faceturn like they did for Constrictor?
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Soonmot posted:Did they ever walk back Songbird's faceturn like they did for Constrictor? Not as of the last try at the book, which ended right before Secret Empire.
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Basically the last Thunderbolts series circa 2017 was a tie-in to Nick Spencer's Captain America/Secret Empire run, where Bucky was protecting Kobik, the little girl Cosmic Cube who made Steve Rogers into a Nazi. At the end of the series, Baron Zemo (who was working with Nazi Cap) came to try to snatch Kobik and failed (she blew up the base and apparently killed herself, except she didn't so they could do that fetch quest in Secret Empire to find all her Cosmic Cube pieces). At the time pretty much the whole team was working with Bucky, but when Zemo showed up Moonstone, Fixer, and Atlas joined back up with him. Beetle was "killed" when their base blew up, Jolt and Songbird ran off to look for help. Jolt hasn't been seen since, and Songbird showed up in some big group hero shots in Waid's Doctor Strange. Atlas is the only one of the Thunderbolts shown as part of Zemo's "Army of Evil" that blows up Times Square and a bunch of Manhattan before covering it with an evil dome in Secret Empire, but the next time he shows up is in Giant-Men during War of the Realms and he seems to be reformed in that story. Then in Matthew Rosenberg's Punisher series from a couple of years ago, Frank basically stages a one-man coup on Bagalia, the fake country that Baron Zemo/HYDRA control in Eastern Europe. Zemo flees to NYC and Punisher follows him, where it's revealed where Baron Zemo is welcomed as a head of stage by Mayor Fisk. At a Yankees game, Mayor Fisk introduces The Thunderbolts as a Special City Police Force to track down the Punisher, and the team is apparently Citizen V, Moonstone, Fixer, Ghost, Radioactive Man, and Jigsaw's kid pretending to be Paladin. So Punisher teams up with Ghost Rider, Moon Knight, Night Thrasher, Black Widow, and the Lady From Greg Rucka's Punisher run to take down the Thunderbolts, NYPD, and I guess some HYDRA soldiers who have infiltrated the UN Peacekeeping Force which in Marvel has tanks and bazookas and wear black tactical gear. Zemo leads a 400 person death squad with tanks through Midtown Manhattan. The heroes kill about 200 of the UN/Hydra soldiers (and Fixer but he's a robot I guess) and Moonstone and Radioactive Man surrender as Zemo takes Lady Punisher hostage. Frank wants to execute Moonstone and Radioactive Man but all of the other heroes draw the line there and hang back to wait for the cops I guess? Then in the big climax featuring weird poser/photo referenced art, Punisher rides on Ghost Rider's bike to Gracie Mansion and kills basically the other 200 Hydra soldier and shoots Lady Punisher (non fatally) to take her off the board as a hostage, then has a big fight where Zemo stabs him in the shoulder and then stabs him in the back through the the chest with his big sword, but Frank jumps on top of Zemo and stabs him with the sword sticking out of his chest, at which point Ghost shows up and shoots Punisher in the chest and pulls the sword out but Frank recovers and stabs Ghost through the chest. Zemo tries to shoot Frank but gets his hand cut off and runs off to an elevator to the helipad, but Mayor Fisk is waiting for him and orders Ghost to vaporize Zemo for bringing this mess to NYC. Since the Prime Minister he vowed to behead is dead, Punisher declares he'll just behead the mayor, but then in the last five pages in come Nick Fury and Hawkeye and Luke Cage and Bucky and a lady who never gets any dialogue nor is named and may be Songbird or Quake, whichever one has medium length hair with purple streaks lately and tell the Punisher he can't behead the mayor, but he really wants to behead the mayor, so he tries and Luke Cage blocks it and Black Widow zaps him and he falls off the building and dies, except no one can find his body. And someone has murdered a few dozen people in Queens a week later and Fury and Widow share a smile about how Frank Castle is dead, but maybe not. The end! I did not realize this book came out, but again, Songbird is still one of the good guys.
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Edge & Christian posted:Zemo stabs him in the shoulder and then stabs him in the back through the the chest with his big sword, but Frank jumps on top of Zemo and stabs him with the sword sticking out of his chest, I loving love comic books
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Songbird is the [non X-Men] character I will happily talk your ear off to say that she deserves to be bigger, after her journey in Thunderbolts.  Though I probably just boil down to the Marge Simpson neat potato meme (I love her pretty pink powers and weird costume), but I'd love for her to get a miniseries as someone who has been on both sides of the "Hero"/"Villain" dive, and was a runaway initially. Or just show up in Black Cat for a team-up with Felicia since they have both crossed the line, Melissa's powers have heist practicalities (she can ruin voice ID systems, as shown in the recent Thunderbolts volume) and you have the cat/bird dynamic. There's probably some fun to be had as she's a former wrestler too. I don't think she's interacted with The Grapplers since she became a hero? (Avengers Forever is worth reading in addition to Thunderbolts, if you want more Busiek and don't mind a dense Kang story.)
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