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Shibawanko posted:the wii is the only console i have absolutely no interesting in owning. id pick up a wii u if i saw it in a thrift store or something but a wii? nah itd just get in the way it's super easy to run games off a Wii HDD, tho idk if the WiiU is any easier
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# ? May 28, 2020 11:20 |
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Shibawanko posted:the wii is the only console i have absolutely no interesting in owning. id pick up a wii u if i saw it in a thrift store or something but a wii? nah itd just get in the way If you're interested in retro gaming on CRT tvs, it's an absolutely amazing device and does 240p in hardware.
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# ? May 28, 2020 14:28 |
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evobatman posted:If you're interested in retro gaming on CRT tvs, it's an absolutely amazing device and does 240p in hardware. really? i didn't know that honestly, i have a CRT so i guess i should just pick one up. there's usually a small stack of the things at the thrift store.
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# ? May 28, 2020 14:33 |
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For a while the Wii was the best option to play Gamecube games on modern television sets, because they were dead cheap and the Gamecube component adapter cable was (and still is) very expensive. e: Heck, some CRTs do component as well.
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# ? May 28, 2020 14:36 |
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Unperson_47 posted:I also never got my $0.12 from Starkist for them ripping us of by putting less tuna in the can than the weight listed. I got like 140 bucks when BMW installed a hand grenade in my steering wheel.
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3D Megadoodoo posted:For a while the Wii was the best option to play Gamecube games on modern television sets, because they were dead cheap and the Gamecube component adapter cable was (and still is) very expensive. im in europe so its all scart all the time, maybe thats why the wii was never on my radar since i can just make my gamecube output to scart rgb
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# ? May 28, 2020 16:04 |
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Shibawanko posted:im in europe so its all scart all the time, maybe thats why the wii was never on my radar since i can just make my gamecube output to scart rgb Get a wii, a scart cable from retrogamingcables.co.uk, use modmii to softmod the wii, fill it up with emulators and roms, and enjoy never seeing sunlight again!
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# ? May 28, 2020 16:56 |
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Shibawanko posted:im in europe so its all scart all the time, maybe thats why the wii was never on my radar since i can just make my gamecube output to scart rgb There were a fair few CRTs that had component inputs back in the day right before HDTV and flatscreens started to become a thing I recall it being a selling point in a Panasonic CRTs my dad was looking at in 2004, but supply issues ultimately lead to him buying a much cheaper TV that was about as good anyway, but it only had three SCART inputs rather than component. But that didn't really matter either since everything we had (DVR, satellite box, PS2) that could output component video didn't really need it, being 576i native for the most part and the DVD player did progressive scan over RGB SCART just fine anyway
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# ? May 28, 2020 21:38 |
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honestly, every time i try to wrap my head around the details of output signals i end up getting it wrong, but i have a big dumb widescreen CRT with RGB scart input sitting here and a bunch of old consoles hooked to it, but no wii since i already have a gamecube (so the wii wouldnt be needed to play those games) and there are only very few truly good wii games. the gamecube's component cable is very expensive i heard but it's easy to get a PAL one to output RGB over scart using a standard cable
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# ? May 28, 2020 21:41 |
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My Phillips CRT is a flatscreen and takes component inputs.
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# ? May 28, 2020 21:42 |
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Unperson_47 posted:I also never got my $0.12 from Starkist for them ripping us of by putting less tuna in the can than the weight listed.
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# ? May 28, 2020 21:44 |
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I have a giant 32" SHARP TV in my spare room with sick 480i component in. xbox 360 games look great and retro things converted to component also looks great. I just.. dread the day I have to move that fucker.
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# ? May 28, 2020 21:50 |
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That's why I have my 20" or so TV. It's big enough that I can play games while sitting near it, but it isn't insanely heavy and can be moved around easily.
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# ? May 28, 2020 21:53 |
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lol so I keep reading about Wii doing RGB output, would I just use a Wii component cable for that? Or is there a specific RGB cable for the Wii? I've only ever done RGB out from my Raspberry Pi, would be nice to be able to hook up another device to the monitor.
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# ? May 28, 2020 23:26 |
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Code Jockey posted:lol RGB is component video but when something is component video it basically always means YPbPr not RGB. I don't know if this explains anything because I'm not going to read it https://www.retrorgb.com/wiirgbvscomponent.html HTH tho.
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# ? May 28, 2020 23:33 |
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Roughly: you can split a picture into three components in multiple ways. RGB matches up with the phosphors/subpixels/computer style color descriptions, and is fairly easily to understand - it's just the luminosity of the red/green/blue subpixels. 0,0,0 is black, 1,0,0 is red, 1,1,1 is white. YPbPr sends Y (luminosity), the difference between Y and blueness (Pb), and the difference between Y and redness (Pr). The latter two sort of gives you a two dimensional color square, with green at 0,0, purple at 1,1 , and blue/red at the 1,0/0,1 corners. This traces back to NTSC, where Y is the black/white signal - connecting just the Y cable to a composite input gets you a working b/w image. This also means you can downsample the two color signals but keep the luminance at full resolution, which looks fairly decent while reducing bandwidth a lot. There are other three-coordinate color systems (like Lab and HSL), but I doubt any TV has ever had inputs for any of them. Anyway, back to the point: "Component" really means any signal where you split the ... components over multiple cables, be they RGB or YPbPr or something else. However, it seems "component" unqualified is typically YPbPr while you need to specify RGB - but I wouldn't be surprised if that depends on your region. If I understand things right, a PAL Wii can get RGB through SCART, while an NTSC Wii can get YPbPr through a cable kit. They look about equally good. Computer viking has a new favorite as of 00:55 on May 29, 2020 |
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A PAL Wii can also get YPbPr with component cables, which is the best option because it also lets you enable 480p resolution in the system settings. This setting is only for Wii games regardless of region, so you have to enable progressive scan separately for each GameCube game that supports it. PAL GameCube games don't support 480p natively at all because gently caress you, but you can use a homebrew utility called Swiss to force PAL GC games to boot in progressive mode and it generally works fine. Speaking of 480p, the original Xbox also doesn't support it (or 720p, which some games ran at) in the PAL region and you had to mod the resolution options back in. At least it had 60Hz as a system option.
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# ? May 29, 2020 00:56 |
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Ah, that's a bit silly. (I grew up with a Gameboy and early PC gaming instead of any consoles, so I don't have the sort of nostalgia that makes this relevant to me - but it's technically interesting anyway.)
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# ? May 29, 2020 01:02 |
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The silly bit is PAL Xboxes don't support high resolutions because they just didn't put the menu options to select them in the UI.
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# ? May 29, 2020 01:05 |
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3D Megadoodoo posted:The silly bit is PAL Xboxes don't support high resolutions because they just didn't put the menu options to select them in the UI. I mean, if I had to choose one I'd definitely pick 60Hz over progressive scan, but there's no reason they couldn't have included both options. DMorbid has a new favorite as of 01:31 on May 29, 2020 |
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Just softmod your xbox (like you should have already done with your wii), and switching between PAL and NTSC high-res modes can be done in seconds.
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# ? May 29, 2020 09:14 |
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evobatman posted:Just softmod your xbox (like you should have already done with your wii), and switching between PAL and NTSC high-res modes can be done in seconds.
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# ? May 29, 2020 09:23 |
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is component better than regular RGB scart? ive never seen component in the EU but whenever you search about this topic it seems to be the main thing american retrogamers want from their TV (it also makes it hard to get good information about it because all of the info out there assumes you have an american TV)
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# ? May 29, 2020 09:29 |
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3D Megadoodoo posted:RGB is component video but when something is component video it basically always means YPbPr not RGB. I don't know if this explains anything because I'm not going to read it Computer viking posted:Roughly: you can split a picture into three components in multiple ways. Oh duh. I totally forgot this for some reason. thanks you two.
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# ? May 29, 2020 09:40 |
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Shibawanko posted:is component better than regular RGB scart? I don't think I've ever seen a PAL consumer CRT with component inputs, but older HDTVs had both RGB and component along with HDMI.
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# ? May 29, 2020 09:44 |
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I mentioned/complained about this very recently on these forums (possibly in this very thread, even) but the PAL PS2 did actually do 480p and 60Hz out of the box with component cables (and RGB SCART too, probably? DVDs were deliberately tinted green on that though, thanks to Sony's insane copy protection measures to prevent easy high quality rips) which was very cool for games like Jak 2 and 3 that actually had the devs make the effort to add in both for the PAL releases. I know some devs just didn't and gave Europeans a 50Hz, 576i only version. The issue of course was that the PS2 didn't support 576p or PAL-60 so you had to own a multi-norm TV that could deal with NTSC. Then again I'm pretty sure every TV I ever used did have support for NTSC so it ultimately wasn't a huge deal. Obsolete tech stuff though, relating to my earlier story of the Panasonic flat-tube CRT my dad was going to buy, years later we ultimately concluded it was a blessing in disguise since although having component input and four SCART slots would've been great, that beast would've been 36" and even heavier than the already intolerably weighty Finlux 32" he went with. It ended up living in my grandpa's house for a long while but moving it there was a horrible, terrible pain. The picture quality for SD content was absolutely astonishing though. Those late stage flat CRTs were some of the best TVs ever made. Last I saw it, quite a few years ago now, I was loving stunned when I flicked it on. Not only did it look miles better than a lovely SD feed on a modern TV does, it also sounded incredible with the massive built-in speakers. I guess there's your obsolete tech for the day: TVs having good sound. So good, in fact, that you didn't need a home theater setup or separate speakers unless you were an enthusiast. Or, a soundbar to fix the awful audio reproduction of today's TVs which I guess is the modern equivalent. With just two speakers that Finlux could easily trade blows with the at the time popular home theater in a box solution with their tiny satellite speakers and "sub"woofers.
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# ? May 29, 2020 10:09 |
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evobatman posted:Just softmod your xbox (like you should have already done with your wii), and switching between PAL and NTSC high-res modes can be done in seconds. If any Oz-Goons need help with this. I have a few of the games required for the softmod and the SDcard on a cable with the payload.
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# ? May 29, 2020 11:07 |
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Doc M posted:It depends. Later consoles support higher resolutions through component so it's better for 480p (technically, RGB cables can do 480p but very few consoles support 480p via RGB) and high-def stuff, but for 240p/480i use either one is fine and it largely depends on your setup. Some HDTVs have problems receiving a 240p signal via YPbPr because 240p is more of a video trick than a proper resolution, but HDTVs tend to have issues with 240p regardless for that same reason. They were readily available around Gamecube times. Readily, that is, if you had https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ON-7v4qnHP8
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# ? May 29, 2020 14:07 |
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Ah, that period of british music that was complete trash and involved zero filter. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MqMZ6XqMfc
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# ? May 31, 2020 06:01 |
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Well over the LD50 for Alexei Sayle right there
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# ? May 31, 2020 06:27 |
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Crossposting from the Tech relics threadHumphreys posted:I think it was this thread that had funky CD shaped stuff. Completely forgot to show one from my archives:
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# ? Jun 3, 2020 14:52 |
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That brought back memories! I had these cards that would fit into a record player (or you used a hand-held one that they sold) and you could hear the play-by-play for that scene on the card. It was pretty neat in the 90s, but I wonder if that would be an actual collectible because there's just not much like those. I think my brother still has them, or maybe they're in my closet in my mom's house. edit: of course YouTube has it covered: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYlsTny81Sw
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Nocheez posted:That brought back memories! I had these cards that would fit into a record player (or you used a hand-held one that they sold) and you could hear the play-by-play for that scene on the card. It was pretty neat in the 90s, but I wonder if that would be an actual collectible because there's just not much like those. I think my brother still has them, or maybe they're in my closet in my mom's house. that is stupid cool
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# ? Jun 4, 2020 00:20 |
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That reminds me of the matchbox record they showed off in the classic movie Gizmo! It's on youtube for those who haven't seen it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qs4p5ZjiR3s (15:40 for the record) It is mostly a compilation of old footage, but they got professional lip readers for thr silent footage and dubbed it very well, so even if you've seen some of it before in other co texts it is worth seeing. It is themed around weird inventions and inventive things, seems like it should be of interest to people in thread. Technology that was obsolete before it was even made. (I have no clue what he's saying in the 'dedication'). Scarodactyl has a new favorite as of 08:45 on Jun 5, 2020 |
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Not really a tech relic but I'm sure theres an audience in this thread. Al Jaffee of Mad Magazine fame for the past 57 years has officially retired at 'ripe' old age of 99 https://www.washingtonpost.com/arts-entertainment/2020/06/06/al-jaffee-mad-magazine-retires/ It's apparently issue 14 for you in the USA. I have no official way of getting it, but have a few comic stores trying for me (I'm in Australia).
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxt5A0KJ9nw
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# ? Jun 27, 2020 10:08 |
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I always wondered, it's nice to have a video explaining it... When I first got a cd-rom drive caddy's where out of fashion, but I always thought it was a cool idea that you could have a cd-case that you could just plug into your computer.
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# ? Jun 27, 2020 23:06 |
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I always mention my friend who in the 90s was obsessed with SCSI and the only SCSI CDROM available needed caddies. We always made fun of him for it in 1996. It also cost him $300 at the time.
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# ? Jun 28, 2020 00:57 |
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I'm been going on a junk purge lately and I recently found my 5.2GB DVD-RAM discs with caddies.
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twistedmentat posted:I always mention my friend who in the 90s was obsessed with SCSI and the only SCSI CDROM available needed caddies. We always made fun of him for it in 1996. It also cost him $300 at the time. I was like that a decade later, but with Firewire. Needlessly spent double on an external DVD burner just because it was the only one which used FireWire. Every peripheral had to be FireWire! USB is rubbish! FireWire 400 did have a number of advantages over USB 2.0 though, such as increased purchase price, inability to use with friends PCs and inability to use with next laptop without finding a 400/800 adapter, inability to use with friends Macbook because he had found the only Unibody MacBook they made with no FireWire ports, etc
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