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Captain Invictus posted:I've been generally enjoying the manga version of this but there's been some new chapters recently and boy howdy does the author's lovely mentality shine through on his beliefs about working conditions, child labor etc, and of course is portrayed as the "virtuous" choice I read the chapter and yeah, that is some high-and-mighty bullshit. You'd think the protag would feel more empathy towards them since he died from overworking, but no, these kids need to learn to bootstrap themselves without any OP skills to cheat their way to a reasonable standard of living.
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well, his life of suffering which no one was willing to help him through paid off in the end. if those kids feel so bad about it why don't they just get a bunch of doting gods to remove all difficulties they could ever face?
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May 29, 2020 06:35
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a ragtag group of orphans, cleaning up poo poo pits to pay their EXISTENCE TAX, clearly they can ascend the societal ranks on their own! why would I, a rich, successful inheritor of incredible unique skills and wealth blessed by the gods to have no struggle in my life, give them assistance in improving their situation? they should be able to get to the rank of "base serf" in another ten years methinks! that the author didn't make it incredibly apparent how hosed up a bunch of 10-12 year old orphans being forced to pay residence taxes and instead opted to say "nah fuckem, they're fine" instead of extending the MC's incredible resources to give these kids whose spirits had not yet been crushed by the inexorable machinations of feudal society a better chance at really accomplishing something, which would require the barest minimum of effort on his part, really shows what a dipshit the author is like the series was OKAY before as a fairly generic, blase isekai but that chapter was some really revealingly stupid stuff. Captain Invictus fucked around with this message at 08:01 on May 29, 2020 |
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May 29, 2020 07:54
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This is sounding increasingly unwholesome.
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May 29, 2020 08:13
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yeah, that's the point, it was a relatively wholesome if generic isekai, that has taken a dive the last few chapters.
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May 29, 2020 08:15
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More like a relatively pointless isekai before this took place, since he breezes effortlessly through life. There's a lot of harmless garbage linked in the OP - wholesome doesn't make something good.
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May 29, 2020 08:39
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May 29, 2020 09:00
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Captain Invictus posted:a ragtag group of orphans, cleaning up poo poo pits to pay their EXISTENCE TAX, clearly they can ascend the societal ranks on their own! why would I, a rich, successful inheritor of incredible unique skills and wealth blessed by the gods to have no struggle in my life, give them assistance in improving their situation? they should be able to get to the rank of "base serf" in another ten years methinks! but the duke's family is so nice you guyssss  they're just making the world a better place by hiring orphans to clean the shithouses also I could take the time to actually teach anyone how to turn slimes into sewers but they've got a mop and bucket it's fine  (any time an isekai starts acting like Noblesse Oblige is a good and real thing a red flag earns it's wings) edit: like, if bookworms off limits this is WAY worse because it seems like it treats child labour as good for the child, actually. egg tats fucked around with this message at 15:15 on May 29, 2020 |
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May 29, 2020 15:13
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Reading through it I was under the impression he was gonna make up a way to have them live in the mine with him and pay them to help him with stuff and train them. The "let them live their lives" swerve felt out of place for a story about learning to rely on people who want to help you (guess he didn't).
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May 29, 2020 16:19
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Maybe it'll be slightly similar to F-Class hero where the gods show up and tell him he's being a little poo poo and shouldn't just let them be and should actually improve things for people, introduce things like a formal schooling system and the like? OK I know that's unlikely as hell but it would certainly spice up the series a bit if he actually had to grow as a person in some way.
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May 29, 2020 17:11
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The previous scanlation group dropping this series a few chapters before all this crap makes more sense now. As pointed out, it was a fairly wholesome series but then it took a nosedive off the cliff of respectability with these chapters. Time for discussion of this series to move to the other isekai thread I guess to help keep this one clean(er).
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May 29, 2020 17:29
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This is where we fabricate a fan theory that he's suffered some kind of brain damage. He just suddenly decides he's going to "live independently" which apparently means living in a noble's mine that was offered to him nearby. I still haven't figured that part out without getting into the Galt's Gulch thing with the kids.
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May 29, 2020 17:39
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Captain Invictus posted:a ragtag group of orphans, cleaning up poo poo pits to pay their EXISTENCE TAX, clearly they can ascend the societal ranks on their own! why would I, a rich, successful inheritor of incredible unique skills and wealth blessed by the gods to have no struggle in my life, give them assistance in improving their situation? they should be able to get to the rank of "base serf" in another ten years methinks! amigolupus posted:I read the chapter and yeah, that is some high-and-mighty bullshit. You'd think the protag would feel more empathy towards them since he died from overworking, but no, these kids need to learn to bootstrap themselves without any OP skills to cheat their way to a reasonable standard of living. gimme the GOD drat candy posted:well, his life of suffering which no one was willing to help him through paid off in the end. if those kids feel so bad about it why don't they just get a bunch of doting gods to remove all difficulties they could ever face? Look, you don't understand. Nothing could be done. If he starts helping the poor, he's gonna stand out and then he won't be able to live a quiet life unburdened by obligations to society. I just want to quietly continue expanding slime evolution and if a two headed saber bear starts tearing apart my farm then I'll step in and kill that no problem, but if there're kids being washed down a river well they'll have to solve that one on their own. Can't go getting involved in everyone else's life. They might be getting drawn into an adventure already and on their way to a martial arts hermit that'll teach them how to become badasses. I said before that I think that it's weird as hell that he never came clean about his age to begin with. I'd sure as hell hate being talked down to like that instead of how you'd be regarded as an idiot based on not knowing common knowledge like how money works, general geography, who's in charge in this specific town, etc. I'm sure someday someone will make a sociopath isekai about some who has no problem reforming the world in ways they think it'll be improved. Time to wipe out the slums! (All the houses are demolished, the people are given proper housing and jobs and check ups to cure diseases as best they can) New character leaves the town/village they dropped into with golems/robots/shadow spirit guardians that help them with the farming/moving lumber/repairing homes etc when they're not guarding the front gates.
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May 30, 2020 04:23
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They're probably in the minority but they exist, Slime and Death Mage spring to mind. Heck you described Death Mage pretty accurately. Since the main character can create practically infinite numbers of undead and golems with a wave of his hand they handle most manual labor in his empire. Sindai fucked around with this message at 14:33 on May 30, 2020 |
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May 30, 2020 14:05
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Slime and Death Mage? Got links?
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May 30, 2020 17:25
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I love Death Mage a lot and it's super interesting but it's not really a wholesome isekai imo. But here you go: https://lightnovelbastion.com/novel/death-mage/ Slime is licensed so you can probably just get it. I've been buying the ebooks on Amazon for my kindle.
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May 30, 2020 17:29
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Death Mage is one of those terrible edgelord isekais where the half-vampire half-drow necromancer MC is an overpowered killer even as a baby. The other one is Reincarnated as a Slime and the anime thread for it is here. 7c Nickel posted:It's an amazing thing where the protagonist thinking "Perhaps I should try to make things somewhat better." automatically rockets you up to the top of the isekai barrel. Jackard fucked around with this message at 18:27 on May 30, 2020 |
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May 30, 2020 18:11
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May 30, 2020 18:22
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wholesome does not mean good yeah it just means probably less likely to result in slavery discussion every other page, which was the problem with all the isekai discussion before plenty of the isekai that I enjoy would not be a good fit for this thread
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May 30, 2020 20:27
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death mage mostly eschews formal slavery in favor of subverting free will. but after their free will is lost everyone is very happy about it! it's pretty hosed up, and not in any of the ways the story jokes about.
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May 30, 2020 21:57
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:death mage mostly eschews formal slavery in favor of subverting free will. but after their free will is lost everyone is very happy about it! it's pretty hosed up, and not in any of the ways the story jokes about. I stopped reading a bit after this scene, which stuck in my mind: Our hero is 3 years old, sitting around, and gets attacked by two normal adult reincarnators. He is notoriously hated and ignored by the gods, so his power is always described as extremely weak. And all those reincarnaters have multiple clearly OP powers. In fact it he so weak that he has to get up from his chair in order to kill the two attackers. The scene is written so earnestly that I am absolutely sure that the author feels utterly unable to engage in that kind of heroic effort under any circumstances.
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May 30, 2020 22:07
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Back to actual good Isekai, New chapter of May I Please Ask You Just One Last Thing? is out. Not much action but there's so much buildup to the MC going punchnuts and just wrecking an entire auction house of slaving nobles, I am so hoping it's going to be incredibly glorious. The best isekai are the ones where slavers get what's coming to them and our MC is an EXPERT at that. 
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May 30, 2020 22:38
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khy posted:Back to actual good Isekai, New chapter of May I Please Ask You Just One Last Thing? is out. Not much action but there's so much buildup to the MC going punchnuts and just wrecking an entire auction house of slaving nobles, I am so hoping it's going to be incredibly glorious. I wasn't reading this one yet, so thanks for introducing me to so much wholesome punching!
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May 31, 2020 00:50
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Nemo2342 posted:I wasn't reading this one yet, so thanks for introducing me to so much wholesome punching! I think we can all agree that the adventure of the violent princess who beats the everloving poo poo out of really bad people with her bare hands is perfectly wholesome and completely appropriate! Between this, Sword Dad, and Skeleton Knight we have the perfect trifecta of "wholesome violence against human trash".
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May 31, 2020 04:10
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khy posted:Back to actual good Isekai, New chapter of May I Please Ask You Just One Last Thing? is out. Not much action but there's so much buildup to the MC going punchnuts and just wrecking an entire auction house of slaving nobles, I am so hoping it's going to be incredibly glorious. I'm really hoping that she can earn her next alliterative nickname next chapter because I feel blue balled right now.
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May 31, 2020 04:21
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Cheers for the reminder, I’d forgotten to check if it was updating. Sold a friend on this by describing it as an otome game but the heroine is the Doom Slayer.
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May 31, 2020 07:47
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I feel like I'm reading that one wrong because my eyes start rolling into my head each time the prince shows up beside Scarlett. I can't help feeling like they're setting up an extremely lame romance.
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May 31, 2020 10:53
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There's a boss rush going on in Ride on King The two magic users of the group are facing off against a bug warrior. I was expecting Kamen Rider shenanigans, but it turns out this was
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May 31, 2020 14:20
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RareAcumen posted:I feel like I'm reading that one wrong because my eyes start rolling into my head each time the prince shows up beside Scarlett. He's like if Geordo from Bakarina was played completely straight as the black-hearted prince archetype. I don't like him as a romantic partner, but I can appreciate how he just really wants to see the MC go Kazuma Kiryu on terrible people.
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May 31, 2020 15:12
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Uncle Khasim posted:Cheers for the reminder, I’d forgotten to check if it was updating. What she lacks in the Doom Slayer's gory dismemberment she makes up in the fact that they both just have zero fucks to give And yeah, the prince would be a terrible boyfriend but he's got this whole "LET ME SEE YOU DESTROY PEOPLE" vibe that I like. I hope they both get what they want - she gets to sink her fist into slaver face, and he gets to watch.
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May 31, 2020 18:06
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RareAcumen posted:I feel like I'm reading that one wrong because my eyes start rolling into my head each time the prince shows up beside Scarlett. I don't like the Prince as a romantic partner, but I love him as the "intellectual" foil for the Punch Princess. He makes a great mission control kind of character if he'd stop trying to force a romance to happen.
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May 31, 2020 20:57
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he's a manipulative creep, but the direction of his manipulation is enabling the mad dog princess to beat the poo poo out of people. so, mixed feelings.
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May 31, 2020 23:57
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It's setting up a Will She or Won't She with the prince... Will she or won't she punch him?
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RareAcumen posted:Look, you don't understand. Nothing could be done. If he starts helping the poor, he's gonna stand out and then he won't be able to live a quiet life unburdened by obligations to society. I just want to quietly continue expanding slime evolution and if a two headed saber bear starts tearing apart my farm then I'll step in and kill that no problem, but if there're kids being washed down a river well they'll have to solve that one on their own. Can't go getting involved in everyone else's life. They might be getting drawn into an adventure already and on their way to a martial arts hermit that'll teach them how to become badasses. If I remember right from the LN he does later work to give the kids jobs in his dry cleaner and also get the kids who can tame some of the slimes so they could do this work and like branch out and use the people of the slums for a labor force while trying to lift them up. At least thats how I remember reading it like years ago.
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I remember seeing it somewhere but then firefox crashed and I can't remember the name of it. I think I only got like two chapters in so I'm gonna mangle the events in it too. There was some isekai thing of a woman being married into a family but she wasn't experienced in raising kids and they hated her immediately and eventually she died without making things right. And then time warps back to like the first week and she gives it another go to do better now that she knows them better.
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RareAcumen posted:I remember seeing it somewhere but then firefox crashed and I can't remember the name of it. I think I only got like two chapters in so I'm gonna mangle the events in it too. I think that would be A Stepmother's Märchen, a great mix of serious and comedy
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Bloody Pancreas posted:I think that would be A Stepmother's Märchen, a great mix of serious and comedy Not that important, but it's not really an isekai since she isn't from the modern world or anything. She is a medieval fantasy person who reincarnates as herself only younger.
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Clarste posted:Not that important, but it's not really an isekai since she isn't from the modern world or anything. She is a medieval fantasy person who reincarnates as herself only younger. A Peggy Sue. Which is also a fantastic genre, imo.
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Jun 4, 2020 01:27
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I feel like in most of those stories it feels like the first go-round of their life was a way more interesting story
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Nihilarian posted:I feel like in most of those stories it feels like the first go-round of their life was a way more interesting story They invariably are unless the story actually explores the kinds of butterfly effect complications this could have. But in most the person who goes back just effortlessly rolls over all their challenges and sucks all tension and drama out of it because events play out exactly as they did in the original timeline.
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