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The Vengeance Factor feels like it wasn't sure what its focus should be, so you get a proto-Kai Wynn negotiating with Mad Max rejects while the plot goes at a snail's pace and a mystery is spoiled before it can even begin and it's just a matter of boring exposition so Riker can figure out what the audience was shown thirty minutes earlier. Now I'm watching The Defector and it is already off to a much better start where Holodeck Picard is playing Williams in Henry V while Captain Picard watches.
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May 28, 2020 18:25
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May 28, 2020 18:43
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I get a kick out of how this show would take any and all excuses to play dressup.
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May 28, 2020 19:01
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gently caress, the ending of The Defector stings all the more after what a shitshow Picard was.
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May 28, 2020 19:03
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SilvergunSuperman posted:I get a kick out of how this show would take any and all excuses to play dressup.
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I've been leaving TNG and DS9 on in the background while I've been working from home. After hitting the ends of both series, I figured I'd give Voyager a shot. I haven't seen an episode since I was a kid and it was still on the air, so I didn't remember much about it besides the Doctor being a good character. I was surprised at how strong the first half of the pilot is (plus it has Quark), but it quickly squanders its potential and never recovers. More so than being bad, it's just boring. Neelix is exactly as terrible as his reputation makes him out to be, and if he wasn't featured so prominently right from the get-go I would've sworn he was put in there because some network exec told the writers "This goddamn dog man is really testing high with audiences. Put him in every loving episode." On the positive side, it, uh...has the best opening credits of any Trek?
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May 29, 2020 00:38
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Those opening credits are sweet
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Communist Walrus posted:I've been leaving TNG and DS9 on in the background while I've been working from home. After hitting the ends of both series, I figured I'd give Voyager a shot. I haven't seen an episode since I was a kid and it was still on the air, so I didn't remember much about it besides the Doctor being a good character. Yea the voy theme is kinda pretty and would have paired well with a good sci fi show.
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May 29, 2020 02:11
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John Wick of Dogs posted:Those opening credits are sweet Yes.
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May 29, 2020 02:16
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Temper Trudeau posted:Yea the voy theme is kinda pretty and would have paired well with a good sci fi show. Give Enterprise the Voyager theme and give Voyager Faith of the Heart. Now each show has the music they deserve.
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May 29, 2020 02:19
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I kind of like Faith of the Heart. I have posted this before but y'know Eternal Recurrence, Time is a Flat Circle and all that
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May 29, 2020 02:26
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The enterprise credits theme is good and fits the show well.
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May 29, 2020 02:39
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John Wick of Dogs posted:Those opening credits are sweet True. I can even forgive how incredibly tiny that planet with the reflective rings would have to be.
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May 29, 2020 02:59
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the scale is all off BAH BAH BEE BAH BAH BAH but the scale is all out of whack. And it's all so close, tidal forc BAH BAH BEE BAH BAH BAH but BAH BAH BEE BAH BAH BAH
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May 29, 2020 03:06
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I wince every time they reference how Neelix was supposed to be this Han Solo type smuggler outlaw. Dude couldn't intimidate loving Flotter
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May 29, 2020 04:28
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Neither could Han Solo
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Danaru posted:I wince every time they reference how Neelix was supposed to be this Han Solo type smuggler outlaw. Dude couldn't intimidate loving Flotter They seem to be setting that up decently in Caretaker. Then immediately after, for every episode after the pilot, he's just that goofy dumbass pedophiliac weirdo. He would have been a lot more tolerable if they dropped in references to a background of hardships and struggles, of war-torn planets, and scrounging for scraps of food, for seeing his friends perish, and lying to survive. If there had been some depth there in character he would have been fine.
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I still remember bursting out in uncontrollable laughter at the reveal that alien straight up stole his lung or whatever.
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piratepilates posted:They seem to be setting that up decently in Caretaker. They do. As the episode of the week demands, and is then forgotten again because Rick Berman Hates Continuity  .Neelix isn't a hard character to fix (aside from the whole Kes matter  ), the trick is to frame his happy-go-luck disposition as covering for a whole lot of depression and bad memories that he'd rather forget and let the mask slip once in a while to remind the audience.
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piratepilates posted:He would have been a lot more tolerable if they dropped in references to a background of hardships and struggles, of war-torn planets, and scrounging for scraps of food, for seeing his friends perish, and lying to survive. If there had been some depth there in character he would have been fine.
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S1 of Voyager, specifically the initial episodes illustrate how magnificently rude and lovely the crew is, particularly the captain. "Your'e dismissed. That's starfleet for...get lost." Tom is only interested in loving holograms, the Delaney sisters or rando aliens (fly boys am I right), the entire crew is sensitive about how they're treated by the doctor, so that justifies treating him like garbage, the only one with a shred of empathy and decency is Kes. She holds stronger federation values than the god drat federation! After finishing S7 and looking at S1 episodes, it's evident how extra bad the writing is. Maybe it's tradition to have an rear end in a top hat crew in the first season of Trek. TNG had Picard treating Wesley like scum, VOY had everyone being an rear end in a top hat, Disco is basically a ship of dick heads until Pike shows up, I forgot what happens in Enterprise...DS9 might be the only show that had any decent traction out of the gate.
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Danaru posted:I wince every time they reference how Neelix was supposed to be this Han Solo type smuggler outlaw. Dude couldn't intimidate loving Flotter Shoulda brought back the guy from The Outrageous Okona for the Neelix role. That'd have been outrageous.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Neelix isn't a hard character to fix (aside from the whole Kes matter
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snickothemule posted:I forgot what happens in Enterprise... Everyone on Enterprise is dumb as a brick from start to finish and I don't think any of them get any more or less likable as time goes on either. Like if you hate Flox or whoever in season 1 your opinion is probably not gonna change. I think the Enterprise has the most character growth on Enterprise which is maybe fitting but probably not on purpose.
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Drone posted:Shoulda brought back the guy from The Outrageous Okona for the Neelix role.
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OutsideAngel posted:Everyone on Enterprise is dumb as a brick from start to finish and I don't think any of them get any more or less likable as time goes on either. Like if you hate Flox or whoever in season 1 your opinion is probably not gonna change. I think the Enterprise has the most character growth on Enterprise which is maybe fitting but probably not on purpose. Don't forget a whole lot of heavy-handed "Well maybe we'll have a Prim(e)ary Directive about this ~someday~ (hint-hint), but today we have to use our best Human Judgement and Morality to resolve this issue".
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May 29, 2020 07:00
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Reed Alert.
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May 29, 2020 07:32
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snickothemule posted:
DS9 season 1 has O'Brien be a complete rear end to Bashir because season 1 Bashir is a complete rear end. Q comes to the station and acts like a complete rear end because Vash dumped him, so he picks a fight with Sisko and loses. Odo is a complete rear end and Kira is a complete rear end and together they compete to be the biggest complete rear end while telling the cardies and the federation types to gently caress off and let them run the station.
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Arcsquad12 posted:DS9 season 1 has O'Brien be a complete rear end to Bashir because season 1 Bashir is a complete rear end. Q comes to the station and acts like a complete rear end because Vash dumped him, so he picks a fight with Sisko and loses. Odo is a complete rear end and Kira is a complete rear end and together they compete to be the biggest complete rear end while telling the cardies and the federation types to gently caress off and let them run the station. Don't forget one of the first things we see Sisko do is be mean to Picard. Picard is not Locutus, he's as much a victim as your dead wife. Don't vomit your trauma all over strangers.
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no, the first thing we see is sisko seethe at picard and then picard wusses out and refuses to acknowledge the subject.
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i don't care if you're mind controlled or not when you murdered my wife, you loving send flowers and an apology before calling you insensitive bullfrog.
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Ghostlight posted:i don't care if you're mind controlled or not when you murdered my wife, you loving send flowers and an apology before calling you insensitive bullfrog. Starfleet has a long history of shrugging and ignoring any atrocities that happen while you're mind controlled, possesed, in an alternate dimension, or otherwise out of sorts.
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Facebook Aunt posted:Starfleet has a long history of shrugging and ignoring any atrocities that happen while you're mind controlled, possesed, in an alternate dimension, or otherwise out of sorts. "alright, tomorrow is the first day of your trial for, hmm, let's see...blowing up a freighter full of orphans. The judge is going to ask you how you plead. Your options are guilty, not guilty, or possessed by an alien entity. Trust me when I say the latter is going to get you a lot of mileage in this court system."
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Communist Walrus posted:"alright, tomorrow is the first day of your trial for, hmm, let's see...blowing up a freighter full of orphans. The judge is going to ask you how you plead. Your options are guilty, not guilty, or possessed by an alien entity. Trust me when I say the latter is going to get you a lot of mileage in this court system." It wasn't me, it was the sex candle.
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May 29, 2020 15:12
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STAR TREK: Sex Candle Blows A Freighter Full Of Orphans
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Communist Walrus posted:"alright, tomorrow is the first day of your trial for, hmm, let's see...blowing up a freighter full of orphans. The judge is going to ask you how you plead. Your options are guilty, not guilty, or possessed by an alien entity. Trust me when I say the latter is going to get you a lot of mileage in this court system." The Cardassian justice system suddenly makes a lot more sense
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May 29, 2020 15:38
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That episode would make a great Phoenix Wright case. He would cross examine that dude and he'd break down on the stand revealing he was a Cardassian
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Facebook Aunt posted:Starfleet has a long history of shrugging and ignoring any atrocities that happen while you're mind controlled, possesed, in an alternate dimension, or otherwise out of sorts. Or on Pon Farr.
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John Wick of Dogs posted:That episode would make a great Phoenix Wright case. He would cross examine that dude and he'd break down on the stand revealing he was a Cardassian You'd get a penalty every time you presented evidence, even if it was the right evidence
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