nine-gear crow posted:

It got six seasons and it ended on its own terms even after ABC begged them to keep it going for another like three years. Lost went out on basically at the top of the world.

Ghost Leviathan posted:

Heroes was more turbofucked by the writer's strike iirc, but then even after they had no excuse was still a dumpster fire.

Ghost Leviathan posted:

Honestly I'm surprised all the 'mystery box' criticisms turned out to be exactly right.

Heroes was more turbofucked by the writer's strike iirc, but then even after they had no excuse was still a dumpster fire.

Horizon Burning posted:

I actually watched Rise of Skywalker the other day and holy God that film was bad. Every single shot and sequence felt like it was playing at 1.2x speed. The loving Greg Grunberg dramatic death. Kylo saying 'ow.' Palpatine shooting lightning into the sky. I AM ALL THE JEDI. Just a horrible film.

PeterWeller posted:

Finn knows of Han as a general in the Rebellion presumably as part of his indoctrination where Han would be portrayed as a villain who helped bring disorder to the galaxy.

Bogus Adventure posted:

Heroes got really bad really fast. The first season was fun, but it spiraled way out of control with the dumb circus villains.

Tulip posted:

Outside of film geeks like us going "why they gently caress did so much money/labor get flushed down the drain on such a bankrupt project," everybody who has any emotion about the sequels only actually has opinions on TLJ lmao

Finn doing a 360 on his morality in the first like 20 minutes was probably the moment where I completely checked out.


If Heroes had simply flat ended at the end of S1 it would have been fine, or if later seasons had focused on "normal people getting super powers and having trouble with it" with a new cast each season that also would have been fun. The characters weren't actually any good but if you didn't spend too long with them that's not that big of a deal.

Tulip posted:

If Heroes had simply flat ended at the end of S1 it would have been fine, or if later seasons had focused on "normal people getting super powers and having trouble with it" with a new cast each season that also would have been fun. The characters weren't actually any good but if you didn't spend too long with them that's not that big of a deal.

OctoberCountry posted:

This would be a completely sensible way to write Finn and add some nuance to his backstory but instead he calls Han a "War Hero" lmao

Guy A. Person posted:

“Han Solo? The terrorist war criminal?”

Robot Style posted:

*Chewie shrugs apolitically*

Hodgepodge posted:

chewie doesn't see race

just tender, delicious meat that he must not eat, even if it is not very nice to him or his friends

PeterWeller posted:

By the time he meets Han, he's already rejected his FO indoctrination

Kart Barfunkel posted:

Aka by the end of act one, he’s completely finished his character arc for the entire trilogy.

drat horror queefs posted:

Yeah but still he hadn't yet fallen in love with Rey wait uh Rose um wait Poe no no it was that other former stormtrooper girl who left with Lando and is also canonically his long-lost daughter for no reason UHHH nobody at all I guess????

CelticPredator posted:

I had a nerd tell me TLJ was promoting veganism because chewie didn’t eat the porg

mind the walrus posted:

Seriously wtf is it with TLJ that breaks the brains of some people?

Film Crit Hulk posted:

Behold the following statement from a petition to Lucasfilm to strip episode 8 from the official canon—which I will present without tarring and feathering the name of the petitioner who wrote it—but it so exemplifies the point I want to make in this section. To wit, “Star Wars ep 8: The last Jedi was crowded with unacceptable, infantile, disappointing and downright irritating jokes. These ‘jokes’ made the movie a perfect example of self-degradation. In the upcoming episodes, please do not spoil all the potentially epic Star Wars moments, legendary characters and basically the whole Star Wars Saga with humor every A class movie would be ashamed of. As the biggest and most complex fictional universe so far, it just deserves more than this.” So again, a grown rear end man writing a petition to Lucasfilm to have a movie be stripped from the official canon is saying this should be done because certain jokes are too infantile…

Sometimes, a reflexive moment does not get more perfect. But the truth is that I’m fascinated by these kinds of tonal comments because they tell you a lot about how certain people absorb storytelling. Specifically, how there are whole groups of fans who do not like anything “too silly” in their movies, especially blockbuster films that feature their favorite characters. They will say jokes are “too lame.” And you should definitely let your ears perk up and notice when people use the word “corny” to describe these films because it’s a perfect signifier for what I’m about to talk about. People particularly say it with regards to a filmmaker like Sam Raimi and his Spider-man films. When trying to explain why these innocuous jokes “bother” them so much, they’ll throw out heady comments arguing about an “uneven tone” or something like that. And often they’ll start trying to sound like Mr. Civility, like in the paragraph above where the guy is trying to sound like the most urbane person in the world as he argues over nerd canon. Why, they’re too adult for that silliness!

But it’s all very simple: if the movie feels silly, then *they* feel silly.

And they do not want to feel silly one bit. Make no mistake, a lot of people watch movies and live vicariously through the characters. They go “I’m Luke Skywalker!” or “I’m Spider-man!” and they do this because these movies are really good at making us feel this way. So it’s not just about escape, but an empowerment fantasy. They want to hold a lightsaber or web-sling around New York City. They want to feel awesome. They want to feel badass. But they definitely don’t want to feel like the butt of a joke. It’s exactly why Christopher Nolan endeared a certain kind of superhero fanboy who wanted to dress up their dark affinity for Batman in an intellectual, very serious packaging. While I will certainly go to bat for those films, there is nothing inherently “mature” about this fan approach. As I’ve argued before, most fan posturing has nothing to do with maturity, but instead the desire to shed their kid-like sensibilities and child-like interests, all by catering to juvenile stories.

There’s a reason the Star Wars petitioner personality gets saddled with the “basement dweller” stereotype. It’s not a fair one and probably not even accurate (which is scary, imagining them as full-grown adults with jobs and stuff), but it happens because making those comments are absolutely the tonal equivalent of a self-serious tween boy yelling, “MOM, GET OUT OF MY ROOM, I’M SUPER SERIOUS.” It is always in the desperation to be taken seriously that we make ourselves the joke. But embracing our kid-like sensibilities, along with all the sadness and range life has to offer, is maturity itself. It’s understanding we can be silly and make fun of ourselves just as much as we can be anything else. But this hits roadblocks with a lot of men, which is all part and parcel of a toxic male culture that thinks we cannot show emotion (again, think Batman). This culture thinks showing weaknesses is a form of weakness instead of strength. Here too lies the ugly heart of fandom, for it is often the people who feel weakest that most cling to empowerment fantasies to off-set how they really feel in life. So while we have the romanticized image that it’s an escape for nerdly torment of the ’80s, there is also a dark-side to that expression that sees entertainment as a kind of revenge on life itself.

Kart Barfunkel posted:

Aka by the end of act one, he's completely finished his character arc for the entire trilogy.

mind the walrus posted:

I liked it immediately on release and have liked it the most out of any official Star Wars movie since the OT. It's really imperfect but like, the hate it engenders is loving radical to my eyes.

OctoberCountry posted:

Depressed hobo Luke rules

OctoberCountry posted:

As someone who mostly likes TLJ, the coordinated media backlash to the fan backlash was absolutely cynical and embarrassing. There's no way that "No Women" re-edit that popped up less than a month after the movie's release and got endless coverage on the big nerd media sites wasn't produced internally at disney.

ungulateman posted:

Nah, that's not their style. They're much more inclined to make big showy statements to distract from the gaping holes

Barudak posted:

I left TLJ thinking they had no idea what they were doing and that they had spent two films worth of screen time on one films worth of story and that the third movie was gonna have to do a tooooon of work to establish settings and stakes.

ungulateman posted:

Nah, that's not their style. They're much more inclined to make big showy statements to distract from the gaping holes, like how endgame had every single female character all appear in one scene because all but one of them is not actually relevant to the plot at all, and they'd rather have the conversation be about misogynists getting mad at that scene than about how irrelevant all the women are for the rest of the movie(s)

OctoberCountry posted:

Johnson had some interesting ideas, but ultimately seemed too preoccupied with constantly pulling the rug out from under the audience to deliver anything especially coherent or satisfying. It also really hurts that all that subversion ultimately amounts to an ending that says "Your life sucks, but don't worry you still have your Star Wars toys."

OctoberCountry posted: