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nine-gear crow posted:It got six seasons and it ended on its own terms even after ABC begged them to keep it going for another like three years. Lost went out on basically at the top of the world. Shows what I know. Half right though.
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# ? May 22, 2020 04:01 |
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Honestly I'm surprised all the 'mystery box' criticisms turned out to be exactly right. Heroes was more turbofucked by the writer's strike iirc, but then even after they had no excuse was still a dumpster fire.
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# ? May 22, 2020 05:21 |
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Heroes was more turbofucked by the writer's strike iirc, but then even after they had no excuse was still a dumpster fire. Heroes was always bad but that's a topic for another thread (That thread would be "Heroes: It Sucked" or "Heroes: They Named the Japanese Hero Hiro, That's What We're Dealing With")
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# ? May 22, 2020 06:18 |
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Hey if its good enough for Daikatana and Snow Crash, its good enough for Heroes
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# ? May 22, 2020 06:26 |
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Honestly I'm surprised all the 'mystery box' criticisms turned out to be exactly right. Heroes got really bad really fast. The first season was fun, but it spiraled way out of control with the dumb circus villains.
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# ? May 22, 2020 06:27 |
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The writer's strike hosed it over a fair bit, but honestly all I think it did was expose the cracks a little sooner.
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# ? May 24, 2020 06:26 |
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Horizon Burning posted:I actually watched Rise of Skywalker the other day and holy God that film was bad. Every single shot and sequence felt like it was playing at 1.2x speed. The loving Greg Grunberg dramatic death. Kylo saying 'ow.' Palpatine shooting lightning into the sky. I AM ALL THE JEDI. Just a horrible film. I saw it the other day for the first time and one of the things that struck me was that the editing was completely botched in several scenes. When they have that speeder chase and everyone lamely repeats the "they can fly now?" line, I thought the scene cut away to a different one a few times because there were gaps in the scene as long as some of the ones between scenes earlier in the movie. Pretty sad that the movie is so hectic that the only thing that can slow it down is sloppy editing in what is supposed to be frenetic. The above could have been written better but I'm no master of screenwriting jargon and I'm too tired to bother fixing it up just like J.J. Abrams, I guess
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# ? May 24, 2020 09:13 |
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PeterWeller posted:Finn knows of Han as a general in the Rebellion presumably as part of his indoctrination where Han would be portrayed as a villain who helped bring disorder to the galaxy. This would be a completely sensible way to write Finn and add some nuance to his backstory but instead he calls Han a "War Hero" lmao
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# ? May 29, 2020 16:21 |
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Outside of film geeks like us going "why they gently caress did so much money/labor get flushed down the drain on such a bankrupt project," everybody who has any emotion about the sequels only actually has opinions on TLJ lmao Finn doing a 360 on his morality in the first like 20 minutes was probably the moment where I completely checked out. Bogus Adventure posted:Heroes got really bad really fast. The first season was fun, but it spiraled way out of control with the dumb circus villains. If Heroes had simply flat ended at the end of S1 it would have been fine, or if later seasons had focused on "normal people getting super powers and having trouble with it" with a new cast each season that also would have been fun. The characters weren't actually any good but if you didn't spend too long with them that's not that big of a deal.
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# ? May 29, 2020 16:46 |
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Tulip posted:Outside of film geeks like us going "why they gently caress did so much money/labor get flushed down the drain on such a bankrupt project," everybody who has any emotion about the sequels only actually has opinions on TLJ lmao I never watched this show, but I'm curious to find out if they saved the cheerleader
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# ? May 29, 2020 17:25 |
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Tulip posted:If Heroes had simply flat ended at the end of S1 it would have been fine, or if later seasons had focused on "normal people getting super powers and having trouble with it" with a new cast each season that also would have been fun. The characters weren't actually any good but if you didn't spend too long with them that's not that big of a deal.
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# ? May 29, 2020 17:32 |
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OctoberCountry posted:This would be a completely sensible way to write Finn and add some nuance to his backstory but instead he calls Han a "War Hero" lmao By the time he meets Han, he's already rejected his FO indoctrination, so it's not strange that he'd have a different tune. But I agreed that Finn would benefit from more conflict between what he was taught and what he sees.
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# ? May 29, 2020 17:51 |
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“Han Solo? The terrorist war criminal?”
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# ? May 29, 2020 22:56 |
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Guy A. Person posted:“Han Solo? The terrorist war criminal?” *Chewie shrugs apolitically*
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# ? May 29, 2020 23:08 |
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Robot Style posted:*Chewie shrugs apolitically* chewie doesn't see race just tender, delicious meat that he must not eat, even if it is not very nice to him or his friends
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# ? May 29, 2020 23:11 |
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Hodgepodge posted:chewie doesn't see race I had a nerd tell me TLJ was promoting veganism because chewie didn’t eat the porg
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# ? May 29, 2020 23:48 |
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PeterWeller posted:By the time he meets Han, he's already rejected his FO indoctrination Aka by the end of act one, he’s completely finished his character arc for the entire trilogy.
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# ? May 30, 2020 00:20 |
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Kart Barfunkel posted:Aka by the end of act one, he’s completely finished his character arc for the entire trilogy. Yeah but still he hadn't yet fallen in love with
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# ? May 30, 2020 00:26 |
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drat horror queefs posted:Yeah but still he hadn't yet fallen in love with But wait! He’s got something to say! It’s very important! It’s...it’s... [Roll credits]
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# ? May 30, 2020 00:28 |
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CelticPredator posted:I had a nerd tell me TLJ was promoting veganism because chewie didn’t eat the porg
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# ? May 30, 2020 00:42 |
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mind the walrus posted:Seriously wtf is it with TLJ that breaks the brains of some people? at this point not being jj abrams is close enough to good for some people to latch on to it
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# ? May 30, 2020 00:51 |
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I liked it immediately on release and have liked it the most out of any official Star Wars movie since the OT. It's really imperfect but like, the hate it engenders is loving radical to my eyes.Film Crit Hulk posted:Behold the following statement from a petition to Lucasfilm to strip episode 8 from the official canon—which I will present without tarring and feathering the name of the petitioner who wrote it—but it so exemplifies the point I want to make in this section. To wit, “Star Wars ep 8: The last Jedi was crowded with unacceptable, infantile, disappointing and downright irritating jokes. These ‘jokes’ made the movie a perfect example of self-degradation. In the upcoming episodes, please do not spoil all the potentially epic Star Wars moments, legendary characters and basically the whole Star Wars Saga with humor every A class movie would be ashamed of. As the biggest and most complex fictional universe so far, it just deserves more than this.” So again, a grown rear end man writing a petition to Lucasfilm to have a movie be stripped from the official canon is saying this should be done because certain jokes are too infantile… Now obviously that doesn't cover all of the criticisms of TLJ, or why a lot of people didn't like it. For many people just seeing Luke as a disappointed old hermit was a step too far and I totally respect that although if you hated it you've forever forfeit your right to say you love Star Wars' mythological allusions, because Luke's fate is perfectly in-line with his allusions to King Arthur right down to a toxic nephew and exiling himself to an island . Finn's plot is half-baked and needed a serious rewrite on the script level. Effectively neutering Poe at every turn for the entire movie was definitely a bridge too far in a movie that was already asking a lot from its audience. You can definitely hate the throne room fight choreography. There's definitely big problems. But read that paragraph and tell me that it doesn't explain more than a bit of why TLJ gets so much hate-- a genuine lack of self-reflection and emotional honesty on the parts of many, many viewers. mind the walrus fucked around with this message at 01:30 on May 30, 2020 |
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Kart Barfunkel posted:Aka by the end of act one, he's completely finished his character arc for the entire trilogy. Them re-writing TFA so Poe survives pretty much kneecapped Finn's arc
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# ? May 30, 2020 02:39 |
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I sincerely loved it since I saw it. The Yoda scene won me over and everything clicked into place. Up until then it was alright. Then it was like OHHH. And i just got super into it. It also did some personal reflection stuff for me that I needed at that time.
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# ? May 30, 2020 02:48 |
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Depressed hobo Luke rules
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# ? May 30, 2020 02:54 |
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mind the walrus posted:I liked it immediately on release and have liked it the most out of any official Star Wars movie since the OT. It's really imperfect but like, the hate it engenders is loving radical to my eyes. I didn't really like TLJ but I tolerated it, unlike all the other main movies outside the OT, and respect Rian Johnson's efforts even if so many of his ideas just didn't work. One thing I found particularly incongruous was the protracted look into the corrupt underbelly of the military-industrial complex supplying both the First Order and the Alliance. The moral relativism felt really out of place and it wasn't helped by Benicio del Toro's strange character. The hate the movie engendered was ridiculous though, particularly the misogynistic attacks on cast members. OctoberCountry posted:Depressed hobo Luke rules yep, especially since Mark Hamill really disliked that take on the character but put professionalism ahead of his doubts and stole the show
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# ? May 30, 2020 03:05 |
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Johnson had some interesting ideas, but ultimately seemed too preoccupied with constantly pulling the rug out from under the audience to deliver anything especially coherent or satisfying. It also really hurts that all that subversion ultimately amounts to an ending that says "Your life sucks, but don't worry you still have your Star Wars toys."
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# ? May 30, 2020 03:22 |
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I left TLJ thinking they had no idea what they were doing and that they had spent two films worth of screen time on one films worth of story and that the third movie was gonna have to do a tooooon of work to establish settings and stakes.
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# ? May 30, 2020 03:29 |
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As someone who mostly likes TLJ, the coordinated media backlash to the fan backlash was absolutely cynical and embarrassing. There's no way that "No Women" re-edit that popped up less than a month after the movie's release and got endless coverage on the big nerd media sites wasn't produced internally at disney.
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# ? May 30, 2020 03:37 |
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OctoberCountry posted:As someone who mostly likes TLJ, the coordinated media backlash to the fan backlash was absolutely cynical and embarrassing. There's no way that "No Women" re-edit that popped up less than a month after the movie's release and got endless coverage on the big nerd media sites wasn't produced internally at disney. Nah, that's not their style. They're much more inclined to make big showy statements to distract from the gaping holes, like how endgame had every single female character all appear in one scene because all but one of them is not actually relevant to the plot at all, and they'd rather have the conversation be about misogynists getting mad at that scene than about how irrelevant all the women are for the rest of the movie(s)
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# ? May 30, 2020 03:41 |
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ungulateman posted:Nah, that's not their style. They're much more inclined to make big showy statements to distract from the gaping holes
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# ? May 30, 2020 03:49 |
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Barudak posted:I left TLJ thinking they had no idea what they were doing and that they had spent two films worth of screen time on one films worth of story and that the third movie was gonna have to do a tooooon of work to establish settings and stakes. If only you'd have foreseen the explicatory possibilities of Fortnite.
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# ? May 30, 2020 04:17 |
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ungulateman posted:Nah, that's not their style. They're much more inclined to make big showy statements to distract from the gaping holes, like how endgame had every single female character all appear in one scene because all but one of them is not actually relevant to the plot at all, and they'd rather have the conversation be about misogynists getting mad at that scene than about how irrelevant all the women are for the rest of the movie(s) From what I gather about 90% of women found that scene cringey as hell. OctoberCountry posted:Johnson had some interesting ideas, but ultimately seemed too preoccupied with constantly pulling the rug out from under the audience to deliver anything especially coherent or satisfying. It also really hurts that all that subversion ultimately amounts to an ending that says "Your life sucks, but don't worry you still have your Star Wars toys." Yeah, there's like an almost teenage attitude where he's seemingly just discovered the whole concept of 'subverting expectations' and thinks it's the most cool and clever poo poo ever and they're going to keep doing it until he gets bored. The whole idea of picking fights with your audience rather than accept criticism, has it ever worked? Mass Effect 3 comes to mind, and that pretty much annihilated the goodwill for what could have been a legendary series.
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# ? May 30, 2020 04:29 |
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This was cool. I'll give it to this.
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# ? May 30, 2020 04:37 |
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It just seams like Johnson watched TFA and was like okay...it was just a rehash so I guess let me try to have some fun with Star Wars. Results may very depending on the person but at least it’s better than not doing anything.
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# ? May 30, 2020 05:27 |
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I actually think its worse, really. Its looking at a first film that failed to provide enough context to understand characters motivations and going, yeah lets do more of that and third guy can fix. TLJ is someone being given unlimited budget for a pivotal narrative moment and deciding to spin wheels. Edit: Its even worse than that because large parts of its narrative is pretending something is happening and then replacing it with the same thing. Barudak fucked around with this message at 05:37 on May 30, 2020 |
# ? May 30, 2020 05:33 |
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Well I guess since I’ve seen ROS I disagree. Every subversive thing he did made it better because it took the lamest parts of TFA and gave them a chance to become interesting. I hated the parents thing and I hated snoke. And luke being jaded was something I was kind of hoping for when the first rumors of TFA started leaking.
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# ? May 30, 2020 05:58 |
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Yea I’m too jaded by how it all played out to really argue what could have been done better, but at the very least having Kylo Ren do what Vader hinted at doing and killing his boss to take over was the best decision in the ST by a lot. Both thematically appropriate while also setting up a new and interesting dynamic for the finale, but it was totally squandered by JJ. To a lesser extent clearing Luke from the board for the finale to force the new generation to forge their own path was probably also ultimately a smart move.
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# ? May 30, 2020 06:05 |
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TLJ is the only time I've ever liked Luke as a character
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Luke shoulda been even more like Space Zizek.
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