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https://twitter.com/HadleyFreeman/status/1266254914692329473?s=20
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May 29, 2020 11:48
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What's the over/under that he does in fact care?
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May 29, 2020 11:53
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Skwirl posted:It's honestly not surprising at all the Ronan Farrow became a preeminent researcher and exposer of sex criminals. Ghost Leviathan posted:The wild conspiracy theory is this is building up to normalising and reintroducing rapists back into the mainstream. Remember Lewis CK? Al Franken? Woody Allen? Roman Polanski? Guess who's baaaaack! It's, pretty bad. Bordering on disgusting at times. quote:Allen is innocent: this is according to the law and the agencies that investigated him. Dylan and Ronan believe he is guilty. It is the latter view that has led some to lobby universities to drop him from film courses, exclude his movies from film festivals and talk about him as if he were a criminal. But this attitude is immoral unless it is proved he committed a crime – and, 28 years later, no one has been able to pin so much as a parking fine on him. "Feminists, please learn how to use facts and logic - if sexual impropriety cannot be proven in a court of law the accused must be accepted into your hearts and into your communities and spaces, anything else would be immoral." PoontifexMacksimus fucked around with this message at 13:00 on May 29, 2020 |
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May 29, 2020 12:56
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hadley is a terf and it is not surprising to see her defending sex pests
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May 29, 2020 12:59
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Hadley Freeman loving sucks. Of course she only takes a break from writing her terfy articles to mount a soft defence of Woody Allen. Amazing how she tries to 'both sides' it while simultaneously taking his side.
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May 29, 2020 13:01
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As an outsider who only recently moved to the UK and isn't intimately familiar with TERFism, can anyone summarise its tenets for me?
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May 29, 2020 13:15
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MeinPanzer posted:As an outsider who only recently moved to the UK and isn't intimately familiar with TERFism, can anyone summarise its tenets for me? Anti trans feminists. Hate on trans women and try to exclude them / supports anti trans movements and laws under the guise of protecting “real” women etc Edit: to be fair it’s got nothing to do with sex pests and saying “they are a TERF of course they defend sex pests” is dumb but defending a TERF is worse so I wouldn’t bother
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May 29, 2020 13:23
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Basically they believe transwomen are sexual predators and men. That's pretty much all, and they will take literally anything and warp it to conform to their world view.
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May 29, 2020 13:23
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MeinPanzer posted:As an outsider who only recently moved to the UK and isn't intimately familiar with TERFism, can anyone summarise its tenets for me? trans women are actually large, hairy, muscular men who exploit the law to sneak into women's changing rooms and sexually assault the occupants
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May 29, 2020 13:24
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Woody Allen's movies aren't even that good tbh.
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May 29, 2020 13:50
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Not Operator posted:Hadley Freeman loving sucks. Of course she only takes a break from writing her terfy articles to mount a soft defence of Woody Allen. Amazing how she tries to 'both sides' it while simultaneously taking his side. Yeah, that's why I started with that paragraph, it summarizes the whole thing in the first couple sentences. "WA is innocent, unless you're one of the gibbering buffoons who believe otherwise"
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May 29, 2020 15:07
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teacup posted:Anti trans feminists. Hate on trans women and try to exclude them / supports anti trans movements and laws under the guise of protecting “real” women etc What does this actually look like in the wild? Any good examples of particularly egregious articles in mainstream publications, like The Guardian? It's just such a weird idea to me that someone can believe that women are oppressed but not believe that trans women are also oppressed, only even moreso.
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May 29, 2020 15:21
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MeinPanzer posted:What does this actually look like in the wild? Any good examples of particularly egregious articles in mainstream publications, like The Guardian? old school feminism + gender essentialism = transwomen dont exist, theyre actually crossdressing rapists
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May 29, 2020 15:28
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terf used to refer to second wave feminists but it has been turning into a general term to mean any transphobe
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May 29, 2020 15:32
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inferis posted:terf used to refer to second wave feminists but it has been turning into a general term to mean any transphobe not really any transphobe but the term has widened to include your general white feminist reactionary
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MeinPanzer posted:What does this actually look like in the wild? Any good examples of particularly egregious articles in mainstream publications, like The Guardian? Jk Rowling flirts with it in retweet’s like the Don does With Qanon
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Groovelord Neato posted:Woody Allen's movies aren't even that good tbh. How many times has this dude made “Glum English professor who fucks a student”?
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May 29, 2020 16:36
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Yeah JK Rowling is the first person that comes to mind but I feel like I’ve heard of a lot of UK feminism being trans-exclusionary. And because I don’t think anyone said it, TERF is short for Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminist
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May 29, 2020 16:53
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The terf movement in the UK is also provably astroturfed by US christian fundamentalists.
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May 29, 2020 19:45
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Phi230 posted:not really any transphobe but the term has widened to include your general white feminist reactionary people called hillary a terf when she talked poo poo about trans women and there is absolutely nothing radical about her politics
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May 29, 2020 19:46
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it did originate with misguided 2nd wave feminists but i think for a lot of the tweeters, the "radical" "feminism" is just window dressing for being assholes.. theres a lot of overlap with pro-lifers & rape apologists and other decidedly counter-feminist types
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May 29, 2020 19:55
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Not Operator posted:The terf movement in the UK is also provably astroturfed by US christian fundamentalists. I think it's a combination of that and conservative moms on "mumsnet" becoming a relevant political force UK politicians started to try and appease. Alan Smithee posted:Jk Rowling flirts with it in retweet’s like the Don does With Qanon She does more than flirt with it.
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May 29, 2020 20:06
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Skwirl posted:She does more than flirt with it. Yeah, this was earlier today: https://twitter.com/JordanPfot/status/1266394984716140545 Not edited, she left a draft in a tweet to talk about her new children's book. It was wild.
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May 29, 2020 20:13
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END ME SCOOB posted:Yeah, this was earlier today: Jesus loving Christ.
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May 29, 2020 20:26
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She’s awful of course but that’s a hilarious gently caress up. Start off with complimenting a children’s drawing and end in a hate speech.
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May 29, 2020 22:00
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What a pig she is. gently caress JK Rowling.
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May 29, 2020 22:24
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peer posted:trans women are actually large, hairy, muscular men who exploit the law to sneak into women's changing rooms and sexually assault the occupants Don't bother asking for examples either, because they either won't provide one (or can't), or it'll be some level of Willie Horton poo poo.
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May 29, 2020 22:30
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I always like the Bartimeus Trilogy better. It takes the question "What if there were wizards in modern society?" and answers it with "They'd be upper-class shitheads who walk over the working class."
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May 30, 2020 00:08
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...also I guess since the story has continued going wild today she's now trying the chilling effect because this blew up in her face so bad. https://twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1266356645220831236
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May 30, 2020 00:35
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Worth noting that most TERFs aren’t really feminists, they just performatively use feminist language to disguise their bigotry. The mask usually slips as soon as someone who is not trans pushes back on them.
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May 30, 2020 00:46
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is "transgenderism" a word that is used at all? im sorry if it is actually used by non-assholes, i just havent ever seen that one before. it sounds like an ideology, like idk gay agenda or something
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Carthag Tuek posted:is "transgenderism" a word that is used at all? It’s a dog whistle for sure
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'Transgenderism' was briefly a term you'd see in academic work by actual trans people a few years back. Checking my notes, Jack Halberstam's work used it as recently as 2017 (Trans*: A Quick and Quirky Account of Gender Variability), although it's definitely not commonly used anymore. The preferred noun is transness. Some of the older trans crowd might still use it, but 98% of the time it's a dogwhistle that reifies trans identity into an ideology. Absolutely a red flag if it's not being used by, like, an actual trans theorist over the age of 50. EDIT Here's a couple of really good articles about the rise of 'TERFism' in the UK: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/07/opinion/terf-trans-women-britain.html: 'the obsession with supposed “biological realities” [...] is part of a long tradition of British feminism interacting with colonialism and empire.' https://theoutline.com/post/6536/british-feminists-media-transphobic?zd=1&zi=4usnexrm Bolingbroke fucked around with this message at 06:38 on May 30, 2020 |
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May 30, 2020 06:33
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thank you bolingbroke 
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May 30, 2020 07:49
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Stolen from another thread, but can’t find it to credit 
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May 30, 2020 07:56
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Good way to weed out some people from your friends list.
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May 30, 2020 09:49
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It won’t catch on because FART is too silly an acronym, but the Feminism Appropriating is a much better descriptor than Radical Feminist.
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While that's true, and calling them "radical feminists" undermines the radical feminist movement, at this point the acronym TERF has been stripped of the words it's made up of and it's taken on a life of its own. When you call a TERF a TERF they get fighting mad for getting called out, and I think that's proof enough that it's working. We don't really need a new acronym, clever though it is.
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