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Gonz posted:I am very excited to one day upload my consciousness into a series of massive supercomputers located deep inside the Moon. No no, heaven is a place on Earth.
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xerxus posted:Spock's Pon Farr in TOS was 2267, which means the preceding one was 2260. Disco Season 2 ended in 2258. It hurts me that I know this, but we find out in Amok Time that that was Spock's first Ponn Farr, due to the fact that he's half human, and that, when it happened, he didn't even know if it was going to happen at all.
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You know, for as advanced a ship as Voyager is supposed to be, every other episode has someone overriding the transporter controls. You’d think after the ... eighth or ninth time this happened they’d find a way to lock those down a little.
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Mulva posted:I mean you brought it up twice so I'll answer it with a sure? The things I'm talking about were neither biological creatures nor living in our finite universe. They aren't just "Us, but living a bit longer". The more comparative situation would be "Humanity is now Q". I mean I brought it up twice as examples of how your initial argument was off: Mulva posted:The argument is fundamentally meaningless because it posits a human that lives forever, when the reality is any version of us that has changed to the degree it could live forever is no longer meaningfully human. Why pretend it'd be subject to any of our limitations? I understand that you are writing an essay about The Good Place and immortality, but based on that post, I hope you can understand why "ok but what about this other example of immortality that's not The Good Place" would be a reasonable post to make, here in the Star Trek thread. For the record, I'm like 99% sure this post Jewel Repetition posted:How would we no longer be meaningfully human just because we didn't age? Also for the record it's impossible to live forever in the literal sense so I'm assuming when we say forever here we just mean indefinitely or really long time was asking the exact same thing I was. Someone brought up The Good Place as a single example of a kind of immortality, that doesn't limit the discussion to that single specific example.
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Snow Cone Capone posted:I understand that you are writing an essay about The Good Place and immortality, but based on that post, I hope you can understand why "ok but what about this other example of immortality that's not The Good Place" would be a reasonable post to make, here in the Star Trek thread. Why do you keep talking about immortality when I'm not and never was? I'm talking about eternity. You keep talking about things that are just "Don't die of age" or something, when I'm talking about things that are so far beyond material existence that it's laughable to pretend they have any relation to us. Forever there meant forever. A being that will never end, ever, to anything, by any means, who has no constraints as we understand them. Again, the counter-example isn't "Some dude that lives a long time". It's Q. It's something that views are entire plane of existence as a joke, to whom the basis of our so called physical laws are arbitrary constructs of a limited mind. Why would that being be anything like us? Now the answer as of Voyager is "Because the writers are hacks", but look at something like the wormhole aliens. A brief time in their space is enough to start getting Sisko a bit trippy and distant at the end of DS9, and he's still mostly human. Why would you imagine a human that has changed enough to fully inhabit a space and a timeframe longer than reality as we know it has existed would still just be some schmoe?
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Mulva posted:Why do you keep talking about immortality when I'm not and never was? Because that's what most of the other conversation in the last couple pages was centered on, Good Place argument aside? I legitimately thought that Mulva posted:The argument is fundamentally meaningless because it posits a human that lives forever, when the reality is any version of us that has changed to the degree it could live forever is no longer meaningfully human. Why pretend it'd be subject to any of our limitations? was a one-off response to the Good Place argument while the conversation moved on to other forms of immortality. Like I'm not trying to catch you in a gotcha moment of "haha your argument is wrong!!!" I agree with you, the characters on The Good Place, and Q, are too different to be considered human. Snow Cone Capone fucked around with this message at 13:54 on May 28, 2020 |
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Snow Cone Capone posted:Like I'm not trying to catch you in a gotcha moment of "haha your argument is wrong!!!" I agree with you, the characters on The Good Place, and Q, are too different to be considered human. Which is all my objection ever was, writing something truly beyond biological, finite existence as if it's needs are "But what will I do with eternity?". After the first million or so years any creature that could live for those millions of years is already beyond concerns like that, they don't have a mind that hits 999,999 and is fine, but man the ennui really hits in that next year. It's the same sort of thing where there is a Romulan diaspora when they lost....a star? Evidently that was the one in "Romulan Star Empire", and with it gone their vast interstellar empire goes to poo poo. There's a certain scale, which is variable for different people, where their mind just turns off and they don't really comprehend size anymore. So they just return to talking as if it's just this normal and average thing.
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If I were truly literally eternal and could do mostly whatever I wanted, I can't imagine getting tired of wandering around random planets while making myself feel like I'm on LSD would literally ever get old, since one of the things LSD does is make you feel like everything you're doing is new even if it's just eating ice cream. Or spend a billion years on a beach on morphine I feel confident I could find things to do. Y'all are thinking too small!
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Mulva posted:Remember the like 15 novelty items that were 'Tastes like" jokes that aren't an actual flavor? Bits where Elanor chooses to be drunk because she's depressed and then *whoosh*, better when she wants to be? The whole swearing thing? Every aspect of what they are can be whatever is needed at any moment [Because it's a comedy]. I don't think you know what emotions are
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Having to sit alone with my own thoughts for the past 3 months is madness-inducing enough. A million years of the same would not be good for my mental health.
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feedmyleg posted:Having to sit alone with my own thoughts for the past 3 months is madness-inducing enough. A million years of the same would not be good for my mental health. You know what's zero-risk if you can't die? massive amounts of mind-altering chemicals 
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The Bloop posted:I don't think you know what emotions are I don't know, I'm feeling some pity right now. Did you really bring up that dead conversation to throw out the saddest burn in a Star Trek thread? It wouldn't even be so bad if you weren't doing for something so profoundly wrong. They've had tons of flavors that were just "Mother's love" and "Unmitigated Joy", to more intangibles like "Wisdom" or a taste that is just "Beyonce compliments your hair". They lived in a reality where every aspect of what they were could be edited at any given moment. That's just what the show was.
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Snow Cone Capone posted:You know what's zero-risk if you can't die? massive amounts of mind-altering chemicals Wouldn't insanity be worse if you couldn't die? I still wouldn't take more than 3 tabs at a time
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Please shut up about The Good Place, that is a good show and does not deserve to be in a modern Star Trek thread.
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Oooh poo poo Tony Todd is on this episode of The Orville, and is playing one of the Klingon knockoffs! It's the one with the Marina Sirtis cameo too! gently caress that's F. Murray Abraham playing an alien too! So in the last three episodes they've had on: Tim Russ, Ted Danson, F. Murray Abraham, Marina Sirtis, and Tony Todd. Arglebargle III fucked around with this message at 19:32 on May 28, 2020 |
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May 28, 2020 19:28
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Snow Cone Capone posted:You know what's zero-risk if you can't die? massive amounts of mind-altering chemicals Clearly you don't realize how much weed I've smoked in quarantine.
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I think one of the reasons why I honestly really like The Orville is because there are no aliens that are explicitly knock-offs of aliens from Star Trek. Or Mass Effect.
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Hoooly poo poo the Orville did a mirror universe episode except the mirror universe isn't evil, it's Star Wars. That is a genius use of their parody get-out-of-IP-issues card.
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The Orville is this weird mix of recycled old trek, a fresh look on trek, a parody of trek and the sci-fi genre, and a little bit of comedy (I enjoy it but it's not the best). The episodes are real hit or miss, it has a lot of room for improvement, but I really enjoy watching it, I used to look forward to each week for a new episode dropping. The way the writers dealt with the Avis aliens the whole show has been pretty great too, and honestly the kind of tact I think Picard is really missing. edit: hell the whole robot alien arc was a lot better written than the stupid soji aliens on Picard, come to think of it. piratepilates fucked around with this message at 20:13 on May 28, 2020 |
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Arglebargle III posted:Hoooly poo poo the Orville did a mirror universe episode except the mirror universe isn't evil, it's Star Wars. That is a genius use of their parody get-out-of-IP-issues card. I really loved this episode for exactly this reason. Even the music has more of a Star Wars flair than usual. The hidden base set is almost a copyright violation of the Yavin base from ANH - I gotta wait til I get home to double check but they even aped the glass displays with the planetary diagrams on them.
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Whoops, forgot to his "submit" on this one  Mulva posted:I don't know, I'm feeling some pity right now. Did you really bring up that dead conversation to throw out the saddest burn in a Star Trek thread? Strictly speaking the sensations you get from tasting something you enjoy and the sensations you get from your mother telling you she loves you are extremely similar neurological processes so you could pretty easily apply this "every aspect of what they are can be edited at any time" to one of those make-your-own-flavor-mix fountain soda machines Arglebargle III posted:Oh Ted Danson's in this one too. The admirals on that show are all some top-notch star power: in addition to good ol' Danson you get Victor Garber, Ron Canada and Kelly Hu. Tighclops posted:I think one of the reasons why I honestly really like The Orville is because there are no aliens that are explicitly knock-offs of aliens from Star Trek. Or Mass Effect. This is one of the reasons I try to get people to at least watch 1 or 2 episodes, because at first glance you could absolutely be forgiven for going "oh ok Bortus is Worf," for example, but after a very short time it becomes apparent that the similarities end at "gruff, big and brown." They're even a warlike race in a completely different way than the Klingons.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pw3zG6l4yCM Edgar Wright commissioned Beck to do the songs for Sex Bo-bomb and told him to make it lovely garage rock. When he got them back he was worried they were too good. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_Ck5e8Rtdk Arglebargle III fucked around with this message at 04:20 on May 29, 2020 |
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Arglebargle III posted:That is a genius use of their parody get-out-of-IP-issues card. What IP issues do you think they'd have otherwise? It's entirely legal to do a Star Trek-style space opera even without comedy or "parody".
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Wow. I mean I know Voyager was bland but the finale was so banal that it almost made me angry. Probably the most emotion I've felt at that whole show. Started Enterprise now and almost immediately put off by the whole time thing right from day one. I should just accept that TNG and DS9 are where it's at and just be happy. Also: Stupid sexy Vulcan.
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Hi I’m the resident Enterprise defender and I advise you to Stick With It and enjoy chill space adventures. Or pick a random season 4 episode and see if that still strikes your fancy. Either way, it hits more emotional notes in its 4 years than Voyager did in 7.
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I'm only midway through the first season of first watches of both Voyager and Enterprise and tbqh I much prefer Enterprise. It's often bad as hell but at least it's usually fairly entertaining.
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Enterprise is dull as can be. None of the actors are interesting except Shran(not even a main character) and sometimes T'Pol and Phlox. All of the humans are  .
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HD DAD posted:Hi I’m the resident Enterprise defender and I advise you to Stick With It and enjoy chill space adventures. Your second suggestion actually seems like really bad advice since there's like 3-4 standalone episodes in Season 4 and they mostly suck. They went hogwild on three part arcs in Season 4. I think the Vulcan one was the best, although the augment arc is pretty great for Brent Spiner hamming it up.
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somebody around here once described Enterprise as a bunch of lovely white people and their black driver and I can't see unsee the show that way now
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Snow Cone Capone posted:You know what's zero-risk if you can't die? massive amounts of mind-altering chemicals There's a difference between immortality and invulnerability. If you're actually invulnerable, you might just be immune to some drugs, to alcohol, and what not.
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Snow Cone Capone posted:This is one of the reasons I try to get people to at least watch 1 or 2 episodes, because at first glance you could absolutely be forgiven for going "oh ok Bortus is Worf," for example, but after a very short time it becomes apparent that the similarities end at "gruff, big and brown." They're even a warlike race in a completely different way than the Klingons.
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https://www.inverse.com/entertainment/star-trek-picard-season-2-spoilers-akiva-goldsman/amp Picard S2 "spoilers". The biggest one is that they're gonna write the drat thing ahead of time instead of while shooting.
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Technowolf posted:https://www.inverse.com/entertainment/star-trek-picard-season-2-spoilers-akiva-goldsman/amp Wait, somehow I managed to miss this in all the discussion — THEY MADE IT UP AS THEY WENT ALONG?! What even is going on in 2020 jesús christ
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Martytoof posted:Wait, somehow I managed to miss this in all the discussion — I am just now learning this, too. I kind of assumed that since it was "prestige TV" they were all writing months ahead before shooting starts, like Better Call Saul's nearly-annual cycle. galenanorth fucked around with this message at 23:46 on May 30, 2020 |
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Martytoof posted:Wait, somehow I managed to miss this in all the discussion —
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Martytoof posted:Wait, somehow I managed to miss this in all the discussion — I got this feeling since the first 3 episodes that they made the first 3 episodes first, then somehow figured out the rest, I'm not sure to what degree. The way the show presented the whole attack on utopia planitia, and the fox news interview, and the villa with the romulan housekeepers, it feels like a pilot or a pitch to a revival show, but then as soon as episode 4 rolls around, the show disconnects from that stuff completely. I get the feeling that's what they did. Wrote the first 3 episodes with the big pitch of there's been a refugee crisis, and it was undercut by a 9/11 on mars, and wow-wee space adventures. I think they shot that, then got the go-ahead for the rest, and had to figure out what to do for the rest of the plot. edit: what I don't get about the article is that it's only about this interview with Akiva Goldsman, and they have one picture for the article, and the caption says "Akiva Goldsman (right) and Michael Chabon on the set of Star Trek; PicardCBS", but Akiva Goldsman (the guy who the article is about) is on the left. I'm not crazy here right? piratepilates fucked around with this message at 23:55 on May 30, 2020 |
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Martytoof posted:Wait, somehow I managed to miss this in all the discussion — I think it was the previous Westworld thread where someone said they'd worked on at least one other "prestige TV" production where it was not uncommon for them to be getting script pages mid-production.
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Martytoof posted:Wait, somehow I managed to miss this in all the discussion — https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/patrick-stewart-breaks-down-shocking-star-trek-picard-finale-1286604 quote:"I only learned of [Picard's death] way into [shooting] the first season," the Star Trek: Picard star tells The Hollywood Reporter in an exclusive post-mortem interview about "Arcadia Ego" and the show's freshman season overall. "Because that final episode wasn't written yet, and I didn't know it was part of the storyline."
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