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Sagebrush posted:Under 100 million a ready-to-go family-sized single-engine turboprop like a TBM is ideal. About 80% of the performance of a business jet but infinitely more practical.
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TBM cruises faster, no?
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May 31, 2020 12:21
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Platystemon posted:TBM cruises faster, no?
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May 31, 2020 14:29
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The TBM looks cooler. That's enough.
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May 31, 2020 15:25
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fknlo posted:The TBM looks cooler. That's enough. Especially if it’s a Grumman TBM.
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May 31, 2020 15:32
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evil_bunnY posted:I really don't see the appeal of the TBM tbh, unless the lower purchase cost really matters (which in a lottery scenario...). The Pilatus is a way more useful airplane (wider, more pax, twice the payload, better takeoff perf, list goes on). All that for 15% more $/h. The TBM is smaller and sleeker. A Pilatus is starting to get up to that awkward size where you need to use the LARGE AIRCRAFT ONLY parking spaces. Also 6 seats is minivan-sized, so you can take your whole family around, but without it being 10 seats and thus large enough for everyone you've ever met to ask you to fly their bachelor party to Vegas all the time.
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May 31, 2020 16:35
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The PC-12 is like 15% more money up front, and burns 15-20% more fuel. I suspect that would get even more lopsided if you pulled the TBM back to the same cruise speed as the Pilatus. If you’re rarely going to be filling the seats, which is the case for most owner-operators, the TBM makes a lot of sense.
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May 31, 2020 18:07
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Sagebrush posted:The TBM is smaller and sleeker. A Pilatus is starting to get up to that awkward size where you need to use the LARGE AIRCRAFT ONLY parking spaces. Being rich enough to afford one is called "gently caress you money" for a reason.
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May 31, 2020 18:30
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MrYenko posted:The PC-12 is like 15% more money up front, and burns 15-20% more fuel. I suspect that would get even more lopsided if you pulled the TBM back to the same cruise speed as the Pilatus. If you’re rarely going to be filling the seats, which is the case for most owner-operators, the TBM makes a lot of sense. Counterpoint: if a 15% difference in operating costs means you can’t afford it, you probably can’t afford either. But also the PC12 is only about $500 an hour to operate (or at least it was when I was flying them) so it’s not like you’re talking about insane amounts of money.
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May 31, 2020 18:49
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Important consideration: I believe the PC-12, unlike the TBM, may be equipped with a lavatory. EDIT: I was incorrect, new TBMs do have an option for a serviceable emergency lav. PT6A fucked around with this message at 18:57 on May 31, 2020 |
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May 31, 2020 18:53
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PT6A posted:Important consideration: I believe the PC-12, unlike the TBM, may be equipped with a lavatory. Jesus, take the yoke
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May 31, 2020 18:55
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PT6A posted:Important consideration: I believe the PC-12, unlike the TBM, may be equipped with a lavatory. Yes, not much of one, but yes.
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May 31, 2020 18:56
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Are they the ones that are just underneath a seat cushion?
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May 31, 2020 18:59
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Everyone knows the coolest turboprop business plane was the Starship. I give the Avanti points for trying.
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May 31, 2020 18:59
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Charles posted:Are they the ones that are just underneath a seat cushion? someone post The Story you know the one
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May 31, 2020 19:02
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Charles posted:Are they the ones that are just underneath a seat cushion? No its between the cockpit and the cabin, there’s a little door that unfolds like a big origami thing.
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May 31, 2020 20:17
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e.pilot posted:Yes, not much of one, but yes. This is pretty amazing tbh: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Azs1vKJyxgc
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May 31, 2020 20:17
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hobbesmaster posted:This is pretty amazing tbh: The HondaJet's bathroom is also pretty hilarious.
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May 31, 2020 20:29
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Sagebrush posted:someone post The Story quote:Without a manuscript and having never written a book, this story was enough to get me a six-figure book deal. https://medium.com/@JohnLeFevre/the-roadshow-aka-the-worst-private-plane-trip-of-all-time-3eb88ab42b18
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May 31, 2020 21:48
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BIG HEADLINE posted:The HondaJet's bathroom is also pretty hilarious. Are they still making those? I'm trying to make a list of industrial conglomerates eager for new* ideas in aerospace *I mean not new in my case, but have they considered airships before
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May 31, 2020 21:53
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Nebakenezzer posted:Are they still making those? To my knowledge, yes. They're even developing a HondaJet ~Elite~.
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Ola posted:https://medium.com/@JohnLeFevre/the-roadshow-aka-the-worst-private-plane-trip-of-all-time-3eb88ab42b18 Well did he seal the deal or not?
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May 31, 2020 23:14
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BIG HEADLINE posted:To my knowledge, yes. They're even developing a HondaJet ~Elite~. To blatantly steal from wikipedia: quote:HondaJet Elite Thats on paper faster than a TBM. Rate of climb problem?
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May 31, 2020 23:21
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lol the Honda jet only does 0.67, I didn’t know that
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May 31, 2020 23:31
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e.pilot posted:lol the Honda jet only does 0.67, I didn’t know that Honda really wants you to compare it only to turboprops for a reason.
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May 31, 2020 23:32
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I mean it also costs about as much as a fast turboprop ($4.5 million new) and I'm too lazy to look it up but I bet it burns a similar amount of fuel, adjusting for cruise speed. If you can afford a G650 ($60 million) you aren't cross-shopping HondaJets or TBMs or Pilatii.
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May 31, 2020 23:36
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the hondajet looks neat. i used to see them loving about with them all the time at PTI. that's all i know about it.
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May 31, 2020 23:40
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hobbesmaster posted:Honda really wants you to compare it only to turboprops for a reason. Except you can supposedly take a HondaJet up to FL430.
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May 31, 2020 23:52
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Except you can supposedly take a HondaJet up to FL430. And you can supposedly take a CRJ FL410.
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May 31, 2020 23:57
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Broke: 410 Club Woke: 430 Club e: f;b
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May 31, 2020 23:58
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From flying magazine: https://www.flyingmag.com/we-fly-honda-aircraft-ha-420/quote:Climbing through FL 400, it became evident that we were getting close to the maximum altitude as our rate of climb had decayed to between 100 and 500 fpm, and the gap between barber poles on the speed tape indicating the maximum speed and stall had emerged. But we made it all the way to FL 430 in about 32 minutes despite several ATC-assigned level offs. At no time did the engines complain about the stress of the lengthy high-performance climb. Frazier claimed an unrestricted climb would have allowed us to reach FL 430 in 26 minutes, a number that appears plausible. I mean, for $5mil thats not half bad at all?
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hobbesmaster posted:And you can supposedly take a CRJ FL410. "We're gonna hit houses, dude." 
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Can confirm that Honda’s go to 430 pretty regularly. They’re speed bumps, though.
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MrYenko posted:Can confirm that Honda’s go to 430 pretty regularly. They’re speed bumps, though. Can they do 0.67 up there?
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hobbesmaster posted:And you can supposedly take a CRJ FL410. The best statement I ever heard about the crj 200 was from a friend of mine who flew them who said "the only way I can make it to 410 is if I got dropped out of a much larger airplane at 450." Arson Daily fucked around with this message at 03:05 on Jun 1, 2020 |
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PT6A posted:Important consideration: I believe the PC-12, unlike the TBM, may be equipped with a lavatory. You just know pilots like Jerry have set auto pilot and just walked away from the controls to take a dump while flying solo in these things.
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shame on an IGA posted:What about a Be-200 and $65,000,000 of spare engines https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJ-Iw_6tW40 Hell yes.
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Where are you supposed to wash your hands after dropping a duece in one of those?
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rscott posted:Where are you supposed to wash your hands after dropping a duece in one of those? Bottle of hand sanitizer is usually the answer.
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Sounds like a birdstrike on takeoff is what likely caused the snowbird tutor to go down. https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/snowbird-crash-report-1.5593259
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