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Henchman of Santa posted:Come join us when weird Disney World playoff basketball is happening and find out. Also I’ve never heard anyone call Harden dirty. His game is based on drawing fouls, not committing them. they're referring to him not washing or cleaning his beard in attempt to keep defenders away
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Lid posted:is anyone going to sign Boggie now that he's been waived? I think you've basically got it. And Harden is cheap, not dirty. Well, his jersey is retired in strip clubs so I dunno. Maybe dirty.
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Jun 1, 2020 15:07
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And is Giannis the greatest thing since sliced bread or is it a huge breakout single season that people are praying will lead the NBA into the future as LeBron career winds down and they are desperate to not have a period again of no face of the NBA?
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Jun 1, 2020 15:20
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Giannis is for real but Zion is already significantly more popular. Assuming he stays healthy he's probably next
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calling derrick rose a possible goat candidate smh. fraud rear end mvp, got it for being a worse version of his current bench gunner self
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derrick rose was not even the best player the year he won mvp much less on a GOAT path
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morestuff posted:Giannis is for real but Zion is already significantly more popular. Assuming he stays healthy he's probably next I saw Zion in the youtube void and my extreme casual youtube take is him, Hiannis and Luka Doncic have a potential to be the 2020s Jordan, Barkley and Larry Bird
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Lid posted:is anyone going to sign Boggie now that he's been waived? Dirk and KG were both better than Nash in each of his MVP seasons. Harden is breaking some records, but Wilt Chamberlain holds all the cool important ones. Kawhi is a cool dude. Bill Walton is the biggest what if in NBA history, he could've ended up a top ten all-time player. Rose was very good but never at that level.
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Derrick rose isn't even the biggest what if for the bulls in the last decade. What if cam Payne's foot healed correctly
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MourningView posted:derrick rose was not even the best player the year he won mvp much less on a GOAT path Blame the youtube hole i didnt even know who he was other than youngest mvp ever and then a bulls team people wanted LeBron on before he joined Miami I have no horses in this race so tell me about why Derrick wasnt the mvp that year i genuinely know poo poo
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Lid posted:And is Giannis the greatest thing since sliced bread or is it a huge breakout single season that people are praying will lead the NBA into the future as LeBron career winds down and they are desperate to not have a period again of no face of the NBA? Giannis is very legit. Dunno about being a next Lebron or whatever (that means a career at this level and avoiding injuries is really, really, really hard), but he's a huge difference maker on both ends of the floor. They put a very complementary team around him in Milwaukee but I don't know any player that could turn that cast into a ~60 win team right now. Historically the number of guys who could do that is pretty thin.
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Lid posted:Blame the youtube hole i didnt even know who he was other than youngest mvp ever and then a bulls team people wanted LeBron on before he joined Miami People were mad at LeBron for leaving the Cavaliers for the Heat. Also the Bulls were the best team in basketball and Rose was their best player
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Metapod posted:Derrick rose isn't even the biggest what if for the bulls in the last decade. What if cam Payne's foot healed correctly What if Paul Zipser had normal bones
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Henchman of Santa posted:What if Paul Zipser had normal bones What if hoiberg chose the right movie
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Lid posted:And is Giannis the greatest thing since sliced bread or is it a huge breakout single season that people are praying will lead the NBA into the future as LeBron career winds down and they are desperate to not have a period again of no face of the NBA? Giannis was a top fifteen player two years ago, the deserved MVP last year and has gone up another level this year. He's legit. The best defensive player in the league whilst also in the top five or six offensively, it's a scary combination.
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What if the bulls didn't teach their players to lock their knees during leg workouts
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Lid posted:I have no horses in this race so tell me about why Derrick wasnt the mvp that year i genuinely know poo poo There was a lot of narrative against Lebron (who was better, though that first Miami year was rougher than people remember during the regular season), and Dwight Howard really was the best player that season. Rose was the driving engine on a 60 win team that had no other super star (Sorry Booze) so I don't think it's as egregious a pick as other people did, but narrative really helped that MVP case.
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Lockback posted:There was a lot of narrative against Lebron (who was better, though that first Miami year was rougher than people remember during the regular season), and Dwight Howard really was the best player that season. Rose was the driving engine on a 60 win team that had no other super star (Sorry Booze) so I don't think it's as egregious a pick as other people did, but narrative really helped that MVP case. Thanks for spelling it out As an additional am i right in that narrative is also why James Harden wont get another MVP despite the numbers due to cheap reputation and lovely personality, and from what i saw spending literally years complaining that he isnt MVP every year (in the note he seems to always be in the top three) and in the long run will never be in the greatest ever discussion.
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He won't get MVP this year because Giannis was better. He won't be in the GOAT conversation because he's 30 and has never won a ring.
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Lid posted:As an additional am i right in that narrative is also why James Harden wont get another MVP despite the numbers due to cheap reputation and lovely personality, and from what i saw spending literally years complaining that he isnt MVP every year (in the note he seems to always be in the top three) and in the long run will never be in the greatest ever discussion. You seem to have picked up some weird ideas about harden.
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Harden just wasn't good enough to win mvp the years he got 2nd place it really is that simple
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Metapod posted:Derrick rose isn't even the biggest what if for the bulls in the last decade. What if cam Payne's foot healed correctly What if they landed a fourth alpha?
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The reason why people don't like Harden isn't because he's dirty, it's because his style of play makes Rockets games unwatchable for a lot of people.
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Lid posted:Sorry Don't sweat it, its cool to be engaged and the NBA has a lot going on. I think you're right that on the face Harden puts up ridiculous numbers but doesn't seem to get the same fanfare you'd expect. Some of it is Giannis is ludicrous, and some of it is Houston just hasn't put up the Wins/Playoff success you'd expect if Harden was the best player in the league. Some of it may not be warranted, but some is. In the playoffs refs tend to call shooting fouls a bit less often, which really hurts him. Houston has kinda disappointed a lot and I think its fair to put some of that on Harden's shoulders. Giannis has just been ridiculous though. And Westbrook got an MVP when he averaged a triple double for the first time in a bajillion years, though everyone is sorta past that now.
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All Grant had to do was not fall in to the obvious trap https://twitter.com/realchriswebber/status/1267452141448368128
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Katana_Warrior posted:they're referring to him not washing or cleaning his beard in attempt to keep defenders away 
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Harden has finished 2nd, 2nd, 2nd and 1st in MVP voting and will have done pretty good this year. That's about the same as how guys like Shaq, Kobe and Duncan did voting wise for their best years, and he's still got good years ahead of him.
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Bulls hired Adam Amin, likely the last we've heard of Neil Funk.
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morestuff posted:Now replace Stacey King how dare you
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R.D. Mangles posted:Bulls hired Adam Amin, likely the last we've heard of Neil Funk. Wow how did they score him
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Yeah the biggest thing holding Harden back as far as MVPs is just that Giannis is a better overall player it's not really a narrative thing. He had gotten a ton of love from MVP voters since he got to Houston but only one guy can win. The only year where you can really make an argument that he might have gotten a bit screwed is the Westbrook one when everyone got caught up in the triple double thing.
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Lid posted:is anyone going to sign Boggie now that he's been waived? The middle of summer is about the earliest Cousins can return physically from his injury although at this rate the season will probably be restarting about then, if they allow teams to pick people up before then who knows. If 30% of the league doesn't want to play they might have to do this.
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By virtue of being in MVP debates against both Westbrook and Giannis, Harden has built an unholy alliance of efficiency worshippers and Walking Bucket 😤 fetishizers who believe he is not properly appreciated. Pay them no mind
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There's a lot of interesting detail in here even if it doesn't have much actual news https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1267514138747711489?s=20 — Some owners are still pushing for all 30 teams to play, specifically the Hawks, 76ers, Thunder and Phoenix — Teams that aren't participating in the relaunched season might negotiate some kind of summer training camp with the NBPA — Details of the play-in tournament are hazy right now and there's pushback on a clean single-elimination thing — "The financial elements of the plan are significant for the league too --- with the 22-team format worth several hundred million dollars more in revenue than 16-team straight-to-playoffs plan would, sources said."
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morestuff posted:— Some owners are still pushing for all 30 teams to play, specifically the Hawks, 76ers, Thunder and Phoenix The Thunder franchise is 100% dedicated to letting the world see what a bum rear end team the Warriors are and, hell, I'm with them
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