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What if the new character has backstory with every other character that Kate didn't. She's Magpie's cousin on one side, Mary's cousin on the other side. She used to work Elliot Enterprises and had plastic surgery done by Cartwright that went completely smoothly. She also used to date Julia Pennyworth too, because of course.
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Jun 3, 2020 03:39
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It just seems like recasting would be an easier choice. Sure it would be awkward at first but they have to completely revamp the show for this to work. There's no way to write a satisfactory exit for Kate since this all happened after they finished filming so they can't build up to her quitting. Killing her off would be a bad look and also the fallout would be really messy and you can't just have her disappear because they already went to that well with Bruce.
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Jun 3, 2020 04:02
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The show is already kind of a hot mess without having to change everything, too. Although maybe it will improve due to that. Either way the show needs a lead who can actually carry a show, but it's silly to not just recast Kate imho.
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Jun 3, 2020 04:04
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If you're looking for parallels, Supergirl kinda had something similar when they moved production from LA to Vancouver after season one and had to write out one main and several recurring characters and get several different sets.
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Jun 3, 2020 04:05
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howe_sam posted:NYPD Blue comes to mind rapidly. That seems like a good one, looks like Caruso left after the fourth episode of the second season. Enough to at least wrap up the character.
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Jun 3, 2020 04:09
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It occurs to me that the writing staff had to know Rose was leaving by the time they were working on the finale, and I wonder if maybe they would've addressed the transition more gracefully (in other words kill Kate) if they'd been able to finish the season.
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Jun 3, 2020 04:13
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howe_sam posted:It occurs to me that the writing staff had to know Rose was leaving by the time they were working on the finale, and I wonder if maybe they would've addressed the transition more gracefully (in other words kill Kate) if they'd been able to finish the season. If not, it would have been one hell of a dick move on Ruby Rose’s part.
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Jun 3, 2020 04:20
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Teek posted:That seems like a good one, looks like Caruso left after the fourth episode of the second season. Enough to at least wrap up the character. Yeah, Caruso agreed to do the first four episodes of the second season in exchange for being released from his contract several years early. Other examples off the top of my head would be Farrah Fawcett leaving Charlie's Angels after the first season and George Dzundza bailed on Law & Order after its first season. Edit: poo poo, Star Trek changed leads between pilots. Timby fucked around with this message at 04:29 on Jun 3, 2020 |
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Jun 3, 2020 04:21
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That's the dumbest idea I've ever heard. People would accept a recast, just suddenly changing the main character and gutting the central aspect of the show will probably kill it. I feel like I got a Monkey Paw wish to have less focus on Alice and getting rid of the Crows.
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Jun 3, 2020 04:23
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Timby posted:Edit: poo poo, Star Trek changed leads between pilots. FWIW this isn't too out of the ordinary, Star Trek just ended up showing us that version of the show too. Most shows which retool after the pilot never let the original see the light of day.
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Jun 3, 2020 04:35
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Teek posted:FWIW this isn't too out of the ordinary, Star Trek just ended up showing us that version of the show too. Most shows which retool after the pilot never let the original see the light of day. nine-gear crow posted:If not, it would have been one hell of a dick move on Ruby Rose’s part. You'd think, but at the same time the season ended so chaotically you never know. They also might've negotiated her exit after filming stopped but before the last episodes aired. It'll make for a killer oral history in a few years if people are willing to talk openly, howe_sam fucked around with this message at 04:45 on Jun 3, 2020 |
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Jun 3, 2020 04:41
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The only way it even comes close to working is if we have a shot in episode one of a stunt person in the batsuit or something; and batwoman gets killed or something; and everyone finds out it was Kate Kane. Then the season becomes about someone else taking up the mantle. Otherwise you basically have to sack the whole cast and do a reboot. At this point I’m not sure I wouldn’t prefer it to be a one season wonder and have them just shift to Arrow Beyond instead (assuming the rumours are true and that show wasn’t going to end up happening). I was impressed with Mia from what I saw on arrow; I think she’s a much better character to carry a show.
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Jun 3, 2020 05:01
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Just dump the whole thing, have the Legends pick up Mary in the Batwoman costume next season and say she's from a few years into the future.
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Jun 3, 2020 05:08
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Ryan Wilder sounds like a direct to DVD release of Van Wilder's much younger cousin who is enrolling at the same school and feels pressure to live up to his reputation
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Jun 3, 2020 05:40
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Make the new character Bruce's second cousin twice removed, and also like, reveal that she's the sister of Van Wayne from Powerless (I never watched it, I don't know if he has a sister)
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If there is any truth to this, it's mind-boggling. A recast would be so much simpler. "Hi, Kate. Say, did you do something different with your hair today? Cool. Anyway, Magpie is up to her old tricks again..." Verbal wink to the audience, move on, job done. If Legends can recast the same actor as a new character, Batwoman can cast a new actor as the same character. Or, go the Avengers (1960s UK) route and upgrade a sidekick to be Batwoman. Julia or Sophie can punch poo poo, it's fine. (Unless something happened to them in the last episode – I don't know, I still have that to go.) The orignal comic Mary was a Batgirl, so fast-track Mary into a suit. Hell, if you're going to bring in a fresh character, why not one of the existing Bat-adjacent women with a bunch of backstory you can copypaste, rather than trying to invent someone wholly new? Or at least their name so you can claim the bare minimum connection to DC. Kate in this show has already been more like Violet Paige than comic Kate, and Violet's start in comics was her being scouted by Batwoman; there's your introduction episode. Or there's Claire Clover or Stephanie Brown – if BoP hadn't taken it I'd say Cassie Cain, too. There have been so many Bat ladies to use. Ryan Wilder 
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Moon Slayer posted:If you're looking for parallels, Supergirl kinda had something similar when they moved production from LA to Vancouver after season one and had to write out one main and several recurring characters and get several different sets. Argue posted:reveal that she's the sister of Van Wayne from Powerless (I never watched it, I don't know if he has a sister) 
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People are assuming that this isn't actually the character's name and is just a placeholder for a real Bat-character. This wasn't an official announcement and was from a leaked casting notice and they do that sometimes.
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Tiggum posted:Legends of Tomorrow pretty much completely changed after season one. And it's not like this show has been good so far.
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Jun 3, 2020 12:00
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"would steal milk from an alley cat" and "raw, untamed ex bad person" is giving me strong Catwoman vibes.
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howe_sam posted:The first season of Legends wasn't good, but I don't feel bad about saying people should watch it You should.
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Sloth Life posted:"would steal milk from an alley cat" and "raw, untamed ex bad person" is giving me strong Catwoman vibes. I wonder what the writer's room was like when they were kicking around ideas for Ryan.
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Dawgstar posted:I wonder what the writer's room was like when they were kicking around ideas for Ryan. High, horny on main, desperate.
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Dawgstar posted:I wonder what the writer's room was like when they were kicking around ideas for Ryan. It was likely done over a Zoom call which means that it's one particularly loud person's idea with everyone passively agreeing after the fact.
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muscles like this! posted:People are assuming that this isn't actually the character's name and is just a placeholder for a real Bat-character. This wasn't an official announcement and was from a leaked casting notice and they do that sometimes. I'm gonna assume that this is the case.
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Xelkelvos posted:I'm gonna assume that this is the case. Yeah, everything is NDA'd to hell and back these days. I recall a story Travis Willingham once told about an audition he went to where he wasn't even told a single detail about what he was auditioning for other than the character was a "military officer", and he read about five lines on the audition script until he got to "SONIC BOOM!" and he realized then and there he was auditioning for Guile in the then-new Street Fighter game.
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nine-gear crow posted:Yeah, everything is NDA'd to hell and back these days. I recall a story Travis Willingham once told about an audition he went to where he wasn't even told a single detail about what he was auditioning for other than the character was a "military officer", and he read about five lines on the audition script until he got to "SONIC BOOM!" and he realized then and there he was auditioning for Guile in the then-new Street Fighter game. It's no wonder one of the voice acting guild's demands in their last strike was essentially 'tell us what character we're playing we can keep a secret you ninnys.'
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The guy who played Kellogg (the badguy cyborg) in Fallout 4 didn't learn what game he was in until it actually came out.
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so I just read the series plans and yup that sure was a decision this show. You can't pin this (entirely) on Ruby, they somehow found a way that's even stupider than an unnoticed recast and shoved all their chips in
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Chokes McGee posted:so I just read the series plans and yup that sure was a decision Yeah, the cast has been pretty much consistently great, it's the writers and producers that have repeatedly seen fit to torpedo the show at every turn.
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Jun 4, 2020 05:35
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The Something Awful Forums > The Finer Arts > TV IV > The Batwoman is dead. Long live the Batwoman!
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Showrunner is saying that Ryan Wilder is a brand new character not based on any existing DC property. Unfortunately the well has been completely poisoned on statements like that.
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Jun 7, 2020 02:59
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God damnit, it’s Jason Todd
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Jun 7, 2020 20:03
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It's Khan and Blofeld and Jason Todd.
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Jun 7, 2020 20:12
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But Blofeld is from the novels as well as original movies ... I'm so confused rn  is it a joke about how bad the Craig Bond version of Blofeld is
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Jun 7, 2020 20:19
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Is the new Batwoman also going to be mysteriously in love with Sophie?
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Jun 7, 2020 20:25
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Azhais posted:Is the new Batwoman also going to be mysteriously in love with Sophie? At this point the only reason I have for watching the next season is to see how dumb and awkward they make it. And them maybe check in on it in two or three when’s if it pulls an Arrow and suddenly gets really good for like half a season here and there for making GBS threads the bed again with something like another Outsiders arc or whatever.
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esperterra posted:But Blofeld is from the novels as well as original movies ... I'm so confused rn When Spectre was in production they swore up and down that Christoph Waltz was not playing Blofeld. Same as Benedict Cumberbatch for Into Darkness and the Arkham Knight in Arkham Knight.
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muscles like this! posted:When Spectre was in production they swore up and down that Christoph Waltz was not playing Blofeld. ooooh I get it now. Will lol if that's the case here. But I'll lol even harder if it actually does end up being some original character donut steal.
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