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Parahexavoctal
Oct 10, 2004

I AM NOT BEING PAID TO CORRECT OTHER PEOPLE'S POSTS! DONKEY!!

Piss Meridian posted:

If you were building sexbots would you want them to be sentient?

https://www.apex-magazine.com/dolly/

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Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
People still holding a grudge against Beast Wars over not being G1 is loving hilarious, because Transformers G1 is unwatchable unless you have a diving helmet's worth of nostalgia goggles.

Star Trek TAS is deeply underrated for pulling off some crazy ideas with a straight face. Like Kirk becoming best buds with Satan.

CommissarMega
Nov 18, 2008

THUNDERDOME LOSER

SkeletonHero posted:

Criminally overlooked shooting game Binary Domain is bonkers.

Hell yeah, Binary Domain! Best B-movie game there ever was, and I'm seriously bummed out there hasn't been a sequel.

Oh, and you CAN save the French robot, but you either have to play super-optimally every time you have him in your party to score his affection boosts, or do what I did and use a trainer to max out everyone's affection :v:

Calico Heart
Mar 22, 2012

"wich the worst part was what troll face did to sonic's corpse after words wich was rape it. at that point i looked away"



Ghost Leviathan posted:

People still holding a grudge against Beast Wars over not being G1 is loving hilarious, because Transformers G1 is unwatchable unless you have a diving helmet's worth of nostalgia goggles.

Star Trek TAS is deeply underrated for pulling off some crazy ideas with a straight face. Like Kirk becoming best buds with Satan.

Or who could forget; the crew visit halloween planet with a magical witch and everyone is like "huh I guess witches are real, okay"

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Calico Heart posted:

Or who could forget; the crew visit halloween planet with a magical witch and everyone is like "huh I guess witches are real, okay"

Even the less interesting episodes can have some interesting messages, including 'really freaky aliens are people too'. It's great when they encounter weird poo poo and make friends with it like it's Care Bears- of course, The Devil In The Dark was one of the earliest takes on that.

The Vosgian Beast
Aug 13, 2011

Business is slow

Calico Heart posted:

Or who could forget; the crew visit halloween planet with a magical witch and everyone is like "huh I guess witches are real, okay"

These were from the same episode.

There was also the time Spock met a giant clone of himself

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
The funny part is that on realising they're in a dimension where magic is real, Spock is the one who immediately gets the hang of it.

Double Punctuation
Dec 30, 2009

Ships were made for sinking;
Whiskey made for drinking;
If we were made of cellophane
We'd all get stinking drunk much faster!

Ghost Leviathan posted:

The funny part is that on realising they're in a dimension where magic is real, Spock is the one who immediately gets the hang of it.

To be fair, if magic is real, then it is no longer magic.

fatherboxx
Mar 25, 2013

CharlestheHammer posted:

He also backpedaled on the whole idea that it was comparing to real slavery. Which got undercut slightly because a black character makes that comparison in game

https://twitter.com/laufeysuns/status/1132504818382245888

alexandriao
Jul 20, 2019


The Long Earth.

The stepping box that makes dimensional power is powered by a potato. I really like the series but. What the gently caress?

I wish there had been a book following Lobsang. Or maybe there was, I never read past The Long Utopia, which I think I skipped through because some of the storylines were tedious as hell.

Tiggum
Oct 24, 2007

Your life and your quest end here.


alexandriao posted:

The stepping box that makes dimensional power is powered by a potato. I really like the series but. What the gently caress?
IIRC it wasn't actually powered by a potato, it just kind of worked if you believed in it and the weirdness of a teleporter powered by a potato just kind of slipped past people's need to understand it? There were definitely people who could do it with no device at all and others for whom it didn't work at all, ever. I don't think they really explained it at all, but it seemed clear that it wasn't purely a technological thing.

I never finished the series either. :shrug:

IShallRiseAgain
Sep 12, 2008

Well ain't that precious?

Doctor Who had an episode where the Doctor got mad at a group of people who wanted to punish Hitler for his crimes. The way they set up things, it wouldn't cause any trouble for the timeline. The story probably would've worked if they chose somebody besides Hitler but they did and created a situation where the Doctor was literally defending Hitler. That was the final nail in the coffin for me.

Dabir
Nov 10, 2012

despite being titled Let's Kill Hitler, most of the episode wasn't even anything to do with Hitler, it was all focused on the really terrible up its own rear end seasonal arc. Hitler gets punched in the face and shoved in a cupboard at gunpoint early on and I don't think he emerges at all

Tiggum
Oct 24, 2007

Your life and your quest end here.


IShallRiseAgain posted:

Doctor Who had an episode where the Doctor got mad at a group of people who wanted to punish Hitler for his crimes. The way they set up things, it wouldn't cause any trouble for the timeline. The story probably would've worked if they chose somebody besides Hitler but they did and created a situation where the Doctor was literally defending Hitler. That was the final nail in the coffin for me.
Under the circumstances presented in that episode, I would also "defend" Hitler. They wanted to kidnap him just before he died (specifically so that he wouldn't be prevented from doing any of the things he historically did) and torture him for no reason. The thing is, "defending" Hitler in that scenario is just letting him go ahead and kill himself as we know he was about to. Torturing him for a while first helps no one.

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!
From the sounds of it that sounds like they were just trying to find the most convoluted way to defend hitler.

Not a great look

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
It was dumb as poo poo in every possible way

Terrible Opinions
Oct 18, 2013



Tiggum posted:

Under the circumstances presented in that episode, I would also "defend" Hitler. They wanted to kidnap him just before he died (specifically so that he wouldn't be prevented from doing any of the things he historically did) and torture him for no reason. The thing is, "defending" Hitler in that scenario is just letting him go ahead and kill himself as we know he was about to. Torturing him for a while first helps no one.
Not like it hurts anyone either.

Ariong
Jun 25, 2012



Terrible Opinions posted:

Not like it hurts anyone either.

What about the opporunity cost? If they have the technology to pluck someone from the WW2 era right before their death without altering history, why did they use it to punish Hitler in a way that doesn’t actually help anyone instead of, oh I dunno, SAVING SOME OF THE MILLIONS OF INNOCENT PEOPLE THAT DIED?! Jew who? I’m too busy high-fiving my pals over the sweet, pointless justice we just dished out! Let’s grab some beers!

Terrible Opinions
Oct 18, 2013



I figured this only comes up because there are real tangible issues with messing with the timeline. If none have been found so far first target is probably Columbus tbh.

Moo the cow
Apr 30, 2020

Ariong posted:

What about the opporunity cost? If they have the technology to pluck someone from the WW2 era right before their death without altering history, why did they use it to punish Hitler in a way that doesn’t actually help anyone instead of, oh I dunno, SAVING SOME OF THE MILLIONS OF INNOCENT PEOPLE THAT DIED?! Jew who? I’m too busy high-fiving my pals over the sweet, pointless justice we just dished out! Let’s grab some beers!

'Don't kill Hitler' is Rule One of time travel, for the whole issue of paradoxes

Rule Two is 'Don't bang your mom at the "Enchantment Under The Sea" dance'

HAmbONE
May 11, 2004

I know where the XBox is!!
Smellrose
Not really an episode in itself but a new viewpoint on an old favourite. Pandemic has me showing my daughter Buffy the Vampire Slayer on good ole DVD. Zander, Giles, and occasionally others go toe to toe with vampires way too often.

Ariong
Jun 25, 2012



Moo the cow posted:

'Don't kill Hitler' is Rule One of time travel, for the whole issue of paradoxes

Rule Two is 'Don't bang your mom at the "Enchantment Under The Sea" dance'

What I'm saying is, if you're able to pull Hitler out of the timestream just before his death without altering history, why not instead do that to an innocent victim to save their life? They're the ones I care about. What sort of lunatic is like "sure what hitler did is bad, but what REALLY matters is whether he felt sad about it." I don't give a gently caress about Hitler's feelings!!!

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

IShallRiseAgain posted:

Doctor Who had an episode where the Doctor got mad at a group of people who wanted to punish Hitler for his crimes. The way they set up things, it wouldn't cause any trouble for the timeline.
The episode is set in 1938 and the people who want to punish Hitler immediately realise they've hosed up by arriving too early (and then go on to hunt one of the people with the Doctor because stupid plot stuff).

Then the Doctor and co. stop them but they all survive and get control of their time machine back and keep doing what they were doing before.

Doctor Spaceman has a new favorite as of 00:47 on Aug 9, 2020

Yngwie Mangosteen
Aug 23, 2007

Ariong posted:

What I'm saying is, if you're able to pull Hitler out of the timestream just before his death without altering history, why not instead do that to an innocent victim to save their life? They're the ones I care about. What sort of lunatic is like "sure what hitler did is bad, but what REALLY matters is whether he felt sad about it." I don't give a gently caress about Hitler's feelings!!!

So they can, what, torture and murder the innocent dude? Hitler doesn’t get to go live a life, it’s just a convoluted way to get it to be ‘wrong’ to hurt Hitler some British fasc thought up. You can’t give the person-about-to-die a life without altering the timeline. You’re mad at nothing.

SkeletonHero
Sep 7, 2010

:dehumanize:
:killing:
:dehumanize:
Has there been a novel yet about a time travel company making bank off of sending people on vacations to kill Hitler? Because i feel like that's an idea with legs.

gleebster
Dec 16, 2006

Only a howler
Pillbug

SkeletonHero posted:

Has there been a novel yet about a time travel company making bank off of sending people on vacations to kill Hitler? Because i feel like that's an idea with legs.

The Rogue Male package tour.

Ariong
Jun 25, 2012



Captain Monkey posted:

So they can, what, torture and murder the innocent dude? Hitler doesn’t get to go live a life, it’s just a convoluted way to get it to be ‘wrong’ to hurt Hitler some British fasc thought up. You can’t give the person-about-to-die a life without altering the timeline. You’re mad at nothing.

Oh, I guess I misunderstood the mechanics of this incredibly stupid plot point then.

Moo the cow
Apr 30, 2020

SkeletonHero posted:

Has there been a novel yet about a time travel company making bank off of sending people on vacations to kill Hitler? Because i feel like that's an idea with legs.

Yes.

Definitely a short story but I have no recollection who the author was. The plot revolved around somebody having to arrange scheduling for all the travellers so they could each take their turn doing it and not killing him before someone else was due to kill him.

It was not a great read.

SimonChris
Apr 24, 2008

The Baron's daughter is missing, and you are the man to find her. No problem. With your inexhaustible arsenal of hard-boiled similes, there is nothing you can't handle.
Grimey Drawer

SkeletonHero posted:

Has there been a novel yet about a time travel company making bank off of sending people on vacations to kill Hitler? Because i feel like that's an idea with legs.

https://www.amazon.com/Sleeping-Hitlers-Wife-Gary-Martin-ebook/dp/B082ZRT6DM

This actually got some attention in the genre criticism thread, helpfully collected here:

https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3728926&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=168#post502692752

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
A RPG background had that Hitler isn't even the original genocidal German dictator who started WW2, he just ended up in the role after another guy got killed by a time traveller.

NoNotTheMindProbe
Aug 9, 2010
pony porn was here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=at5sM6jdRNg

Lil Swamp Booger Baby
Aug 1, 1981

There's Philip K. Dick's Counter-Clock World where time has suddenly began to flow in reverse. There's cool ideas like graves being equipped with ringers so the newly risen dead can alert the graveyard caretakers that they need to get out of their coffins, and graveyard workers and morticians basically take on the role of natal care specialists instead. People age in reverse until they become zygotes, yadda, yadda. The world is in a furor because they're awaiting the reverse-time resurrection of an iconic black religious figure. There are extremely bizarre abortion and life support parallels with corpses displaying brainwaves and heart-beats and the legality of exhuming corpses before their "birth" since in this universe you can reliable predict who will exist once more in the world since, well, we know that they're dead and buried.

Books and media are erased deliberately by the reverse-time society when their pre-publication date is reached,

The US is separated into segregated black and white regions, and they both have their own race specific religions vying for control of this soon to be alive again black religious figure.

But the absolute best part, and pretty much the entire reason why I think this oft-ignored Dick novel belongs solidly in this thread, is because people literally eat with their assholes and poo poo out their mouths.

coronatae
Oct 14, 2012

Ah, where do I begin with the magic system of The Black Jewels Trilogy. In its world, some people are psychic/magic, with their psychic/magic strength partly stored in these mysterious Jewels. You start with one Jewel as a child and can obtain a second, typically stronger Jewel, as an adult after you've grown into your full strength.

But there's a special caveat for women in this system: it is possible for them to lose almost all of their psychic/magic strength unless they lose their virginity the exact right way. Evidently, the first time a woman has penetrative heterosexual intercourse* she might freak out and withdraw into her mind in such a way that she breaks her own psychic power. So there's a whole system with chaperones and a ritualized Virgin Night, and typically the woman must lose her virginity to a man with greater psychic strength so he can protect her from herself. Also the more psychically powerful a woman is, the more she bleeds during this. Even with the safety measures in place, sometimes women just flip poo poo and manage to destroy their psychic abilities anyways.

This is literally one of the first things we learn about the book's world, since the prologue is narrated by a woman who lost her power this way and is now insane.

Once it happens though they're free to gently caress all they want. The other weird gender role poo poo in these books is its own post.

*It HAS to be PIV for Reasons. Gay people sort of? exist in this world, and we get the joy of a story where a lesbian-coded character has to go through this ritual.

Ugly In The Morning
Jul 1, 2010
Pillbug

SkeletonHero posted:

Has there been a novel yet about a time travel company making bank off of sending people on vacations to kill Hitler? Because i feel like that's an idea with legs.

What about allied leaders trying to stop well-meaning time travelers from killing Hitler, leading to his replacement with someone competent?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Foxley

quote:


The proposals for the operation was submitted in November 1944 but was never authorised because of a division within the British government as to whether the removal of Hitler from the command of the Third Reich was a sound course to follow to expedite its military defeat. He was by then considered by the British to be such a poor strategist that it was thought possible that candidates who would be in line to succeed him might present more of a challenge to the Allied war effort.

Sunswipe
Feb 5, 2016

by Fluffdaddy
Not sci-fi, but there's a sequel to The Eagle Has Landed (The Eagle Has Flown) where the German colonel and the IRA member who survived the attempt to assassinate Churchill stop an assassination attempt on Hitler by Himmler for the same reason: Himmler taking over wouldn't let Germany win the war, but he would probably be able to drag it out even longer.

WeedlordGoku69
Feb 12, 2015

by Cyrano4747
to be fairer than that Doctor Who thing deserves, I don't think the intended takeaway from it is intended to specifically be about Hitler; instead I kind of feel like it's just using the most extreme possible example to make the point that "just because something makes you feel better, doesn't mean you're actually doing any meaningful good beyond that"

like, if you kidnap Hitler from the bunker at the end and torture him to death, sure, it'd be pretty loving awesome... but, like, what have you accomplished, exactly? every single thing Hitler was responsible for still happened. especially when you have access to literal time travel to do it with, that's just a flat-out smoothbrained idea compared to, say, setting it up so he'll be out in a storm in his childhood and get brained by a rock or something, or Red Alerting him when he's an art student, or literally anything that might actually avert his crimes.

Terrible Opinions
Oct 18, 2013



The problem with a lot of timetravel is that you either need to decide "yes change is possible and fine" in which case the Doctor should have already killed Hitler. He has time travel and he supposedly cares about earth. Or you make time travel something where you shouldn't or can't change the past in which case you can't get anything out of Hitler besides catharsis.

edit: Like Dr Who tries to go somewhere in the middle and it doesn't make any goddamn sense, and has twisted it into a logic knot of defending Hitler.

Moo the cow
Apr 30, 2020

WeedlordGoku69 posted:

to be fairer than that Doctor Who thing deserves, I don't think the intended takeaway from it is intended to specifically be about Hitler; instead I kind of feel like it's just using the most extreme possible example to make the point that "just because something makes you feel better, doesn't mean you're actually doing any meaningful good beyond that"

like, if you kidnap Hitler from the bunker at the end and torture him to death, sure, it'd be pretty loving awesome... but, like, what have you accomplished, exactly? every single thing Hitler was responsible for still happened. especially when you have access to literal time travel to do it with, that's just a flat-out smoothbrained idea compared to, say, setting it up so he'll be out in a storm in his childhood and get brained by a rock or something, or Red Alerting him when he's an art student, or literally anything that might actually avert his crimes.

The purpose of that episode wasn't really about Hitler anyway. You were supposed to watch it for 3 reasons:

1. To enjoy the gloriously over the top performance by Alex Kingston.
2. To advance the season-long plot about The Silence that absolutely no one managed to follow or care about.
3. To shout 'gently caress, yeah!' when Rory finally grows a pair and punches out Hitler with a single blow.

eating only apples
Dec 12, 2009

Shall we dance?

Terrible Opinions posted:

The problem with a lot of timetravel is that you either need to decide "yes change is possible and fine" in which case the Doctor should have already killed Hitler. He has time travel and he supposedly cares about earth. Or you make time travel something where you shouldn't or can't change the past in which case you can't get anything out of Hitler besides catharsis.

edit: Like Dr Who tries to go somewhere in the middle and it doesn't make any goddamn sense, and has twisted it into a logic knot of defending Hitler.

I haven't watched the new Doctor Who in years but I do remember a time he rescued someone who was, for some reason, destined to die, because she was a nice lady and he liked her. and by doing that he could have broken time itself!!! except she knew he'd done a bad thing and went off and immediately killed herself, and then he went nuts for a bit I think and then died pathetically and got a bit better

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Scott Lame
Jan 8, 2014
There was a TV show called War of the Worlds in the late 80s. It was a "sequel" to the 50s movie version of the story in that when the show starts the aliens are all "dead" (not forever of course) and their machines are disassembled. At some point in the pilot episode, the protagonist explains the events of the first invasion to a group of people as if they don't already know them. "Yeah, they probably don't teach this in school anymore, but about 30 years ago the human race was brought to the edge of extinction by aliens from Mars".
I bailed on the show at that point but I mentioned this scene to somebody who was a fan and they said they eventually tried to retcon somehow but I still say its one of the stupidest things I've ever seen outside of an Ed Wood film.

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