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300 was/is insanely ground breaking. There really wasn't anything like it before. Then the sequel showed you what happens when you take the director away but still try to emulate their style.
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Yeah but also it has Eva Green so who's to say if it's good or bad
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Jun 5, 2020 14:03
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The sequel is amazing. The Greek's navy's secret weapon just being a horse owns
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KVeezy3 posted:What's so bad about it?
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Jun 5, 2020 15:24
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Also it's really funny how in 300 it's pretty obvious that Xerxes is not actually a ten foot tall golden mangod and that's just some bullshit the one guy made up, but in 302 they're like "no he totally is, he swam in a magic pool and everything"
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Jun 5, 2020 15:27
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Vintersorg posted:300 was/is insanely ground breaking. There really wasn't anything like it before. 302 obviously isn't as good, but the central joke is that it shifts focus onto these "blue state" Athenians who are (only) subtly different from the other guys. It's purposefully less bombastic, because they're satirizing decorum-happy Biden types: you have the same bizarre distortion, but used to represent diplomatic meetings and such. In that sense, 302 is much closer to Starship Troopers' satire of liberals at war than even 300 was.
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Jun 5, 2020 15:43
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My take on Snyder's movies is that they don't really appeal to me, but I can tell that he's at least going for something. I connect with parts of them but never the whole thing. Man of Steel might be my favorite. I think what keeps them from connecting with me is pacing. I'm too film illiterate to explain why, but it always seems like everything is either too long or too short from scene to scene so I'm always struggling to engage with what's going on. Like I recognize there's good poo poo in there but it just feels disjointed or sporadic or something. I dunno. By contrast watching Justice League I basically just felt curious about if it could sustain the bad impression its opening scene made for the entire movie. It got worse.
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Jun 5, 2020 15:54
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So imagine this next statement is in 10,000-point flaming red font with a bunch of cool skeletons and rattlesnakes crawling over it: gently caress 300 AND ITS FAKE COOL SPARTANS. Sparta was actually a nightmarish abomination barely worth a gently caress on the battlefield and utterly worthless and without a single redeeming feature off it. Here's a 7-parter on what poo poo garbage Sparta was and is.
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Jun 5, 2020 15:57
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JonathonSpectre posted:So imagine this next statement is in 10,000-point flaming red font with a bunch of cool skeletons and rattlesnakes crawling over it: Historical inaccuracy? In MY sword and sandal movies?
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Jun 5, 2020 15:59
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I saw 300 with a former friend of mine who's now hardcore Trumpian and he seemed legitimately conflicted over how cool the action was and yet how gay it was so I think that made me like it more than I normally would have.
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Jun 5, 2020 16:03
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Next thing you're going to tell me Abraham Lincoln was not a vampire hunter
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The idea that the Southern aristocracy wasn't a bunch of vampires living off the life blood of black slaves is Lost Cause bullshit.
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Jun 5, 2020 16:13
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I only know 300 2 has a sex fight
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Jun 5, 2020 16:21
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JonathonSpectre posted:Sparta was actually a nightmarish abomination barely worth a gently caress on the battlefield and utterly worthless and without a single redeeming feature off it. No poo poo?
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Jun 5, 2020 16:29
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JonathonSpectre posted:So imagine this next statement is in 10,000-point flaming red font with a bunch of cool skeletons and rattlesnakes crawling over it: lmao no poo poo. The movie literally opens with Spartans murdering babies and forcing kids to fight rabid wolves. Mayyybe there's a point there about how utterly nuts the spartans are? Unless you think it's an endorsement of eugenics, in which case 
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JonathonSpectre posted:So imagine this next statement is in 10,000-point flaming red font with a bunch of cool skeletons and rattlesnakes crawling over it: I say this literally every time but the movie opens with a pile of dead baby skulls while some dude drones on about honor and glory and then shows kids beating the poo poo out of each other and then the "cool" part kicks in, and then the movie ends with "and you've been listening to a Spartan bullshitting you" and if you still think they're cool after that that's kinda on you. Now here comes the part where you say "well not me, I was able to pick up on all that, but 300 is dealing in Dangerous Ideas that the average person can't handle" and it's like, the average person watched the movie, enjoyed the action, and never thought about it again. Only tubby right-wing chuds ever brought it up again and let's face it - our society does not lack in fascist ephemera for those types to grab onto, if it wasn't 300 they would have moved the clock back a decade or two and used Starship Troopers or some Rambo knock-off. Can just see some fat fuckin' neckbeard in an undersized tactical vest and spray-painted black bike helmet calling minorities "bugs" instead of "cucks".
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Also re: Dawn of the Dead, zombies aren't even frickin real! Wow Zack Snyder really blew it there. EDIT: That blog post of course links to a Dan Olsen video on 300 and I just, have never seen him comment on movies in a way that made sense to me. He seems to always spend 95% of the videos listing wikipedia entries on some philosophical subject and then occasionally cutting to the movie and saying "so anyway the movie obviously takes [stance] on that subject, moving on..." Martman fucked around with this message at 16:51 on Jun 5, 2020 |
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All that being said, the article JonathonSpectre linked to is legit pretty great. It's not really relevant, but if anyone is curious about the many, many failings of real Sparta it is a fascinating read.
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He ends his video making the grand point that if every movie were 300 that would be really hosed up. Why would someone approach art this way??
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sean10mm posted:My take on Snyder's movies is that they don't really appeal to me, but I can tell that he's at least going for something. I connect with parts of them but never the whole thing. Man of Steel might be my favorite. I feel the same way. I like a lot of what he does, action and visuals are great but some of his movies don't seem to move naturally from scene to scene. I felt this strongly in man of steel where I liked individual scenes a lot but as a flow it didn't really gel well, feeling a bit jarring overall. the trailers were some of the best trailers I've ever seen, however. I do have an interest in re-watching man of steel and bvs to see how I view them now, after it's been awhile (maybe also in anticipation of this director's cut thing).
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Yeah I legitimately wasn't a Snyder fan until the lead up to BvS, frankly I hadn't really even connected him to his oeuvre until that point. I maybe knew that like, Watchmen was made by the 300 guy but at that point in my life I didn't really consider the overall career of whatever director when going to see a movie, outside of maybe a select few. I had mixed reactions to his previous movies, mostly enjoyed them when I watched them but never really saw the need to revisit them (and I legit hated Watchmen for admittedly dumb fanboy reasons). Which honestly I maybe should because both MoS and BvS took more than one viewing to grow on me. I also definitely understand only getting "buff cool Spartans kicking rear end" as your main take away from 300, although I also get why people ITT would be wary of having the same argument about it over and over, particularly when it leads people to make certain inferences about the politics of Snyder and his fans. The article at least seems interesting and I will give it a read.
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JonathonSpectre posted:So imagine this next statement is in 10,000-point flaming red font with a bunch of cool skeletons and rattlesnakes crawling over it:
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Martman posted:He ends his video making the grand point that if every movie were 300 that would be really hosed up. Why would someone approach art this way?? Media critic Immanuel Kant
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sean10mm posted:My take on Snyder's movies is that they don't really appeal to me, but I can tell that he's at least going for something. I connect with parts of them but never the whole thing. Man of Steel might be my favorite. Well, take the minor subplot in BVS where LexCorp is testing anti-Superman bullets for sale to various world powers. That probably takes up less than twenty minutes of screen-time - but it conveys more in that timespan, narratively, than the entirety of Ironman 3. Like, think of just how much is conveyed about the relationships between this African Warlord, Lexcorp, the CIA, the Daily Planet, Superman, etc. Moreover, it’s a more sophisticated narrative: there’s no real conspiracy by Lexcorp. The CIA knows exactly what Lex is doing, but just stands back - and even lets Lexcorp mercs execute one of their agents - because they’re ideologically aligned w/r/t ‘The Superman Question’ and the expendability of black foreigners. They aren’t in cahoots at all, but raising a finger against Lexcorp might endanger some mutually-beneficial defence contracts. (Contrast with Ironman 3, where the fuckin’ US Vice President is directly bribed by the villain, gets caught, and that’s it. Law and order are restored.) So, basically, Snyder tends to make these three-hour epics that are simultaneously extremely efficient. There’s no filler - which means everything is fairly important, and there’s a lot to take in. Many people consequently just check out and dismiss the films as incomprehensible, as we’ve seen. Martman posted:He ends his video making the grand point that if every movie were 300 that would be really hosed up. Why would someone approach art this way?? That would own though; imagine, like, Kramer Vs. Kramer in that style. Hotel For Dogs in that style.
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There really aren't a lot of movies that wouldn't be improved by more naked, buff men, all oiled up, speed ramping around and yelling I've said it for a while but the biggest problem with comic book movies is that shirts aren't constantly being popped off in this way. Sure we have a scene of Cavil here, Affleck there, Evans those couple times, but that's bullshit.
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300’s real crime was giving Gerard Butler a career
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He's pretty good in Gamer.
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The REAL Goobusters posted:300’s real crime was giving Gerard Butler a career Yeah, but it also propped up Michael Fassbender.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Well, take the minor subplot in BVS where LexCorp is testing anti-Superman bullets for sale to various world powers.  I can't believe I never made that connection. I just figured they were covertly testing new weapons systems but it makes total sense. They talk about the special compound that the bullets are composed of and the fact that they knew Superman would show up.
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Mr. Apollo posted:
It’s one of those things that a conventional blockbuster would just directly state to the audience (as with Lex’s plan to create his own Avengers). The alien-metal bullets and bomb casing are part of Lex’s research into Krypyonite weaponry. He’s not just doing it to be a dick, but because it’s lucrative. There’s a demand for anti-Superman weaponry, and he anticipates a demand for general anti-metahuman weaponry as his (One of the best subtle jokes is that - against Winter Soldier’s laughable assertion that Tony Stark and Dr. Strange pose a threat to the smooth functioning of the capitalist system - Lex’s algorithmically-generated psychological profiles show that Flash and Aquaman will be very easy to recruit as corporate mascots.)
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:(One of the best subtle jokes is that - against Winter Soldier’s laughable assertion that Tony Stark and Dr. Strange pose a threat to the smooth functioning of the capitalist system - Lex’s algorithmically-generated psychological profiles show that Flash and Aquaman will be very easy to recruit as corporate mascots.) "Dozens" killed. (Can I see a screenshot of this psych profile?)
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:[...] Winter Soldier’s laughable assertion that Tony Stark and Dr. Strange pose a threat to the smooth functioning of the capitalist system [...] Objection, firstly because at the time Winter Soldier came out that was nothing more than a reference for fans to go lol at, and secondly I want to see you type the word "Dormammu". Preferably in an elaboration on how Strange's brokering a deal with Dormammu was about him upholding the capitalist system. I mean, it's been taken for granted that Doctor Strange - The Movie is just about Iron Man in a cape, but I have never seen that reading really been elaborated on beyond "main character starts a jerk rich guy and ends a slightly less jerky rich guy with superpowers" and I would be interested in something more than that.
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https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/protest-backlash-failings-a-superhero-culture-1297024?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=socialquote:It's interesting that the stories that do push against the status quo, that aren’t interested in a love affair with cops or government, are the ones that prove to be the most controversial. One of the central reasons Zack Snyder’s Superman impacts me, and the many people of color who are fans of that depiction who I’ve encountered over the years, is because the Superman of Man of Steel (2013) and Batman v Superman (2016), even though coded as white, is an outsider fighting against corruption in a nation that fears him and criticizes his every move and every effort to preserve his own life, and those of others. And only when he’s dead is his impact felt.
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McCloud posted:https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/protest-backlash-failings-a-superhero-culture-1297024?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social
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Mr. Apollo posted:That’s interesting because one of the criticisms of MoS and BvS I often see is that the person didn’t like how many people feared Superman and saw him as an outsider. They felt that Superman should have been embraced and loved by everyone as the ideal human. Zack Snyder posted:Wake the gently caress up! [...] You're living in a dreamworld.
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teagone posted:Yeah, but it also propped up Michael Fassbender. https://www.indiewire.com/2018/02/michael-fassbender-abuse-allegations-sunawin-leasi-andrews-1201927946/ E: Oh I think I completely misread your post, thought you were saying it propping him up was a point in its defense. Carry on.
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Martman posted:Not trying to do this to be snarky or get internet points, but this sadly seems to be not a good thing. He seems to be an abusive shithead and I don't think he's ever really addressed it. Jesus Christ, that poor girl
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Megaman's Jockstrap posted:(Can I see a screenshot of this psych profile?) Unfortunately(?), you don’t get a text dump of the research itself. It’s just implicit in how Lex manipulates the titular characters - and how his treatment of Wayne contrasts with his treatment of Clark. Lex considers Batman a useful idiot, given that he’s ultimately just a rival businessman, while Superman needs to be obliterated. It’s because he can’t figure out a way for Superman to ‘sell out’. The logic is that (for example) Wonder Woman is against patriarchy and imperialism - which is good, of course - but those causes are easily appropriated. There’s nothing inherently anticapitalist in being against patriarchy, unless you’re willing to take it to a logical extreme. As usual, Snyder is intrigued by the concept of a Justice League but is also conscious of how the concept of Justice is fundamentally incompatible with their ties to Wayne Industries. Grendels Dad posted:I would be interested in something more than that. It’s not really too complicated; Strange is yet another story about using the godlike power to preserve status quo from corruption by outside forces. This is repeated in his subsequent appearances.
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Martman posted:Not trying to do this to be snarky or get internet points, but this sadly seems to be not a good thing. He seems to be an abusive shithead and I don't think he's ever really addressed it. I actually did mean it as a point of defense, but now I regret it after reading that article. drat.
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