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Speaking of deathmobiles, what are the rules about turrets firing through/over tiles of the vehicle? Like if install a turret smack in the middle of my car like a mounted gun in a Humvee, will it fire over the other tiles of the vehicle? Or just quarterpanels?
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Manager Hoyden posted:If you like this game I suggest backing up a copy of every version you play and like and learn the simple json system to change the things that irk you. So I found a crashed attack chopper and two questions came up due to that. Is the gas turbine better than a V12 engine? Can you find good stuff if you take the time to dig through the wreck/rubble piles?
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Jun 5, 2020 00:21
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Turrets are effectively 'over' everything and can always fire.
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Jun 5, 2020 00:48
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The Lone Badger posted:Turrets are effectively 'over' everything and can always fire. Great to hear. I've been mounting my guns on the corners of my vehicle like an idiot all this time.
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Jun 5, 2020 01:48
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Tin Tim posted:So I found a crashed attack chopper and two questions came up due to that. Is the gas turbine better than a V12 engine? Can you find good stuff if you take the time to dig through the wreck/rubble piles? The turbine engines are ridiculously heavy, like way more than you want on a vehicle. The 6000 hp one weighs seven tons, which now that I think on it may not be the worst power ratio if your vehicle is huge enough. Also they all burn a disproportionate amount of fuel!
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Jun 5, 2020 01:58
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The Lone Badger posted:Turrets are effectively 'over' everything and can always fire.
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Jun 5, 2020 03:17
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Be very careful about automated turrets and NPC passengers. Turret IFF only seems to care about the player character in my experience, leading to many faction camp allies roasted by the onboard laser.
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Jun 5, 2020 05:10
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Manager Hoyden posted:The turbine engines are ridiculously heavy, like way more than you want on a vehicle. The 6000 hp one weighs seven tons, which now that I think on it may not be the worst power ratio if your vehicle is huge enough. Also they all burn a disproportionate amount of fuel!  Oh well at least I looted a minigun from that chopper Also I've discovered my first lab so keep me in your prayers tonight
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Jun 5, 2020 11:59
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I started loving around with zones today and I'm hitting some issues, maybe someone can help? I'm on the latest experimental. I'm trying to create a zone for food, which would include all food, including food in containers. Is that possible? When I stack Food and Container zones together, I also get non-food stuff that's in containers. When I have just the food, I only get the food without a container. I also tried custom zones but these don't seem to stack (ei. only the first one is considered, next ones are ignored during sorting). Mokotow fucked around with this message at 18:35 on Jun 5, 2020 |
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Jun 5, 2020 15:40
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Tin Tim posted:Also I've discovered my first lab so keep me in your prayers tonight Narrator: He ded.
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Jun 5, 2020 15:44
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I am doing the HUB01 mission that takes you to the basement of a collapsed building, and I think the item I was supposed to retrieve burned up. There was a Talon grenade drone in the area, and a lot of fire. I don't suppose I can find the template anywhere else?
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Jun 5, 2020 20:20
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Switzerland posted:Narrator: He ded. It's kind of a hellscape down there though. Tons of noises and chaos, gas and smoke. I've made sort of a beachhead around the elevator and coming up with a tactical plan to clear all these connected corridors and rooms piece by piece breaks my brain. The topside entrance was real unremarkable and small but lol the floor below seems huge af. Gonna keep trucking for now but I probably need to retreat soon and bring WAY MORE AMMO E: Wondering if it's worth the time to dissect all the scientists later? Like I'm fairly sure I should do it with bio operators but I'm just not sure if the other zombie types can give you CMBs that actually make the time investment worthwhile E2: Made a push from my beachhead into a corridor where a bunch of stuff had been streaming out from before. Saw what seemed like a holding area with chaff zombies below the first room connected to the corridor. No light in that room so I stepped in and quickly pulled back when another surge of zombies came up on me. Got smashed into the wall by a brute and then fired wildly into the throng that was grabbing and surrounding me. And for a split second I managed to catch the word "Kevlar Hulk" pop up on my HUD. Fired even more wildly and moved as soon as I could but the fucker was already at the door. Imagine my delight when I learned that a huge tower of beef and armor can keep up with me when I sprint...  Him catching and smashing me away was what saved my rear end here tbh. Gave me time to jam a new mag into my empty rifle and then I just kept shooting. Dude ate like 50 rounds of 5,56 before he went down and I had to reload while he was punching my poo poo in  I'm just gonna gome home now okay??? 
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Jun 6, 2020 01:50
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Fun heads-up: While venturing back down for those corpses seems a bit dangerous, this goes for any zombie you'd like to dissect: I was storing up a bunch of corpses until I got a scalpel to dissect them and I guess I waited too long because they disappeared. I'm glad Kevin realistically modeled what happens to an exposed corpse. No rotting away to reveal bones and metallic/computer bits or desiccating into a husk, all the corpses I dragged back to base just poofed one day. Other than that I've sorta stalled out after moving up north a good distance and finding that the second Hub01 I settled near is bugged out into not even responding to me when I talk to the intercom. I guess I'll wait until the new inventory system is sorted out and then upgrade so I can use the Vehicle Additions mod. Hopefully they don't rip the fun out of the game in-between now and then. Edit: vvvvv I know traders at factions (The Refugee Center, Hub01) do, it takes a couple days and it's not a complete refresh. They sorta shuffle new things in and lose some of what they had. Chobayt fucked around with this message at 03:57 on Jun 6, 2020 |
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Jun 6, 2020 03:34
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Quick question, do stores (i.e. people you can trade with) ever refresh their inventories?
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Jun 6, 2020 03:51
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Rested for a day and went back into the lab. Made a push into another corridor and started to pull zombies out of the connected rooms. Random wrestler snuck up on me from behind while I was dealing with brutes, robots and a kevlar brute from the front.. Great start with two bars gone from my head already  E: Looking for some tactical advice  I can currently safely look at this turret due to the armored glass but there is no way that I can engage it without it shooting me to pieces. My CTH from the door without any aim is real bad so I didn't even try that. I guess you solve a spot like that by opening the door and then throwing a grenade from where the turret can't see you? I have no EMP grenades and I guess a frag grenade will also destroy the items on the floor? I mean I'm going to get over it if I have to do it this way but if there's a pro-strat that I don't know about then lay it on me Tin Tim fucked around with this message at 15:48 on Jun 6, 2020 |
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Jun 6, 2020 15:10
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Tin Tim posted:E: Looking for some tactical advice This will be boring and tedious, but the safest way would be to wait for the turret to use all of its ammo. It has a limited amount. If you have a pickaxe or jackhammer, you can also dig around it. Finally, if you deploy a curtain on wheels and use that to block LoS, that also works.
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Jun 6, 2020 17:25
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Also, if you can get your hands on some stools or chairs, they block LOS while crouching, but you can pass through tiles containing them. Since you get one turn of grace before turrets open fire, you could place them strategically around the turret so you only have to enter its LOS for one turn. You will want to sprint for one pace before ducking down again.
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Jun 6, 2020 18:23
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Good advice! However I actually want to kill that turret if possible because I really want to recover some of the ammo. I went through close to 300 rounds of 5,56 while clearing the floor so I'm in dire need to stock back up. I'm currently grabbing all the loot that isn't in LOS of the two turrets on the floor and there's just nothing related to ammo or weapons. Just tons of chemicals and related gear. I thought I could craft some EMP weapons myself but apparently the EMP bomb needs a part that you can only get from an EMP bomb according to the item browser 
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Jun 6, 2020 18:27
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Are you making a distinction between EMP grenades and bombs? Because I seem to recall (phone posting and lazy) the grenades are easier to craft.
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Jun 6, 2020 18:35
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Tin Tim posted:Good advice! However I actually want to kill that turret if possible because I really want to recover some of the ammo. I went through close to 300 rounds of 5,56 while clearing the floor so I'm in dire need to stock back up. I'm currently grabbing all the loot that isn't in LOS of the two turrets on the floor and there's just nothing related to ammo or weapons. Just tons of chemicals and related gear. I thought I could craft some EMP weapons myself but apparently the EMP bomb needs a part that you can only get from an EMP bomb according to the item browser Do you have the resources to make a hacking laptop? That's how I usually deal with turrets I want dead.
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Jun 6, 2020 18:52
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Dareon posted:Are you making a distinction between EMP grenades and bombs? Because I seem to recall (phone posting and lazy) the grenades are easier to craft. E: Yup grenades have been removed from crafting because realism lol Mr. Lobe posted:Do you have the resources to make a hacking laptop? That's how I usually deal with turrets I want dead. Tin Tim fucked around with this message at 19:00 on Jun 6, 2020 |
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Jun 6, 2020 18:58
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Tin Tim posted:Huh, I forgot about that thing! I think I have the parts but may need to spend a day or two reading books to get the skills You won't regret it, it's easily the best way to handle robotic enemies when you have the luxury of choosing your mode of engagement. The HackPro software is the hardest component to get, but you can usually scavenge it from electronic shops in the back room.
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Jun 6, 2020 19:12
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The control laptop has also been removed recently because why not
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Jun 6, 2020 19:45
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Ah yes good, the main way to neutralize turrets that won't be a freaking slog is gone, cool
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Jun 6, 2020 19:57
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It's still in stable but gated behind two books that I don't have  Seems like I need to clench my cheeks and trust in normal grenades
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Jun 6, 2020 20:01
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Mr. Lobe posted:Ah yes good, the main way to neutralize turrets that won't be a freaking slog is gone, cool I think the biggest issue is that labs are full of turrets and are also the only place to go to get cool fun stuff so there's a big incentive for the player to try to do labs ASAP. If the game had cool fun stuff more spread out and labs weren't the one stop shop for everything interesting then making turrets really hard to deal with isn't necessarily a bad thing As with a lot of the recent changes to the game the change itself isn't necessarily bad it's just that it's being done while ignoring the fact that it makes the game less fun to play
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Jun 6, 2020 20:04
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Im suprised there isnt a ambushed convoy map tile thing with like a bunch of busted military vehicles and maybe one hauler that you have to torch your way in to get some sweet loot.
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Jun 6, 2020 20:07
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There is something kinda like that in the Hub missions. You have to find someone who was ambushed and take something out of their brain and its a bunch of crashed military vehicles and a metric fuckload of military zombies.
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Jun 6, 2020 20:08
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RabidWeasel posted:I think the biggest issue is that labs are full of turrets and are also the only place to go to get cool fun stuff so there's a big incentive for the player to try to do labs ASAP. I think my go-to strategy will be avoiding turret locations until I get my hands on cloaking bionics and an anti-materiel rifle. Should be reasonably effective.
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Jun 6, 2020 20:57
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Protip to my own dumb rear end: Find a better way to get where you're going than through a big city. You might be in a decent vehicle but over time it's going to get worn down, and SOMETHING is going to gently caress you. In this case, the loss of steering capabilities. 
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Jun 6, 2020 23:25
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My main gripe with turrets is how hard they are tuned against the player taking them out. Like I'm sitting in a dark corridor, 30+ tiles away and the thing still spots and nails me. Meanwhile I can't even target it with my 50.cal sniper because reasons I guess? E: Here's what I had to do to take this thing down  Crouched behind a shelf that I then dragged all the way to the end of the corridor which brought me out of spotting range. Then I zoomed real far out to manually guide my targeting cursor to the turret and then pray that I hit enough of the precise 27% shots before my 50.cal ammo ran out. This doesn't make me happy in the sense of me finding a way to defeat an obstacle in a game. It's just me poking at the obstacle until I find the cheese strat that wasn't patched out yet. Because there isn't really any way to combat turrets that isn't cheesy because they just kill you in any fair scenario. Dunno, but the turret design is totally not my taste
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Jun 6, 2020 23:43
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quote:Cataclysm DDA: Poking at the obstacle until I find the cheese strat that wasn't patched out yet
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Jun 7, 2020 00:16
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loving lmao Also I just learned that you apparently can't throw grenades over objects like shelves? Grenade just bounced and dropped in my square so I had to hustle out of there
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Jun 7, 2020 00:27
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Tin Tim posted:loving lmao what, you were expecting advantageous realism?
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Jun 7, 2020 00:43
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Shelf is wall.
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Jun 7, 2020 00:52
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My only recent savescum is when my character just dropped a nade at her feet instead of throwing it over a waist high fence. lmao, absolutely galaxy brained bullshit there
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Jun 7, 2020 02:29
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Perhaps the realistic method of grenade delivery is actually kicking them directly forward?
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Jun 7, 2020 02:40
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Maybe you shouldn't have throwing/launchers 0 when you try to do a thing. -a person who learned that the hard way e: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACGI6dGSbME e2: I lost a good character because I tried to shoot a 40mm grenade through a lab double door at a kevlar hulk. I found the one that wasn't open yet. goatsestretchgoals fucked around with this message at 03:04 on Jun 7, 2020 |
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Jun 7, 2020 02:58
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I imagine your average person would have a lot of bad outcomes trying to arm and throw a grenade for the first time in their life. The fact that grenade fail compilations are a thing on youtube proves my point. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eh8QYoD0n2s
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LMAO, someone changed the helicopter crash / bionic soldier scenario to start with a 10 round magazine. This ended badly. E: Build 10735 is spawning military weapons with 10 round magazines, bug?  e2: 
goatsestretchgoals fucked around with this message at 04:10 on Jun 7, 2020 |
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