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SweetBro posted:I def agree that P5 is a game that's carried pretty hard by it's aesthetic inspite of its pretty underwhelming mechanics. I think one of the best improvements that can be made to the game is so that Confidant Increase cut scenes didn't take up a time block. Instead they would automatically trigger whenever you had sufficient affinity with the relevant confidants. In the same note, the options you pick during those cut-scenes wouldn't affect their affinity. That way you would have actual reasons to go and hang out with people, as well as doing some of the side-activities early (like going to the Jazz Club). With a variety bonus if you go/do/gift something to a character that you haven't done before. I thought about that when i played through P5, because i actually like the time management min-maxing aspect of trying to max confidants. In P4, you could get notes for social links in random conversations so there was a balancing act of trying to keep people off the levelling up state as much as possible. Having that sort of pressure made it more interesting, and it was removed from P5. Without that, it felt more like a punishment if you didn't look up the answers to the questions because you might be 1xp short from levelling them up after getting a question wrong. If you spend a day hanging out with them you could be doubling the cost in terms of time to levelling them. Chihaya gets around that but is a really boring mechanic thematically. I think i would like to see what a system looks like where xp carries over to the next level so the benefit of hanging out with someone carries over if you fall a couple of xp short from levelling them up. The issue is that if there's no pressure on what you decide to do each day that aspect of the game becomes boring. There are other changes you can make to make up for that, i don't think the solution is to just make it so your decisions of what to do each day have little mechanical relevance. The other issue is getting away from incentivising doing dungeons in 1 day so you don't have a gameplay loop of several hours of dungeon grinding followed by several hours of time management.
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CJ posted:The other issue is getting away from incentivising doing dungeons in 1 day so you don't have a gameplay loop of several hours of dungeon grinding followed by several hours of time management. The only way they I see them addressing this is to force the party to leave more often. It will always be strategically better to do as much of the dungeon as possible all at once simply because of the lost time that could otherwise be used for the social side of the game.
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Yeah if anything they've seen to lean toward the opposite where P3 tried to force you out with Tiredness but they realized people would just play through it, so P4 had a much more strict form of SP conservation that functionally required two separate trips (one for dungeon one for boss), but P5 has instead taken the approach of making it much easier to finish dungeons in a single day since they know that's what you want anyways e: holy poo poo https://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2020/06/09/rumor-persona-3-4-golden-steam/ https://twitter.com/gematsucom/status/1270457167339032576 RazzleDazzleHour fucked around with this message at 22:58 on Jun 9, 2020 |
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RazzleDazzleHour posted:
Man what great timing, here I was about to pull the trigger on getting a PSTV and P4G. P5R was my first Persona game and I really enjoyed it, and I've only heard great things about P4G so hooray!
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vandiar posted:Man what great timing, here I was about to pull the trigger on getting a PSTV and P4G. P5R was my first Persona game and I really enjoyed it, and I've only heard great things about P4G so hooray! P4G is really really good if you are willing to overlook one incredibly bad character (Teddie)
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RazzleDazzleHour posted:P4G is really really good if you are willing to overlook one incredibly bad character (Teddie) You sicken me. Or is his new VA that bad?
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Jun 10, 2020 03:29
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Oh no Akechi has a SL now too? Urgh, I'm never gonna have free time again, am I. Also Takemi's new SL gates are messing me up, I can't remember if that Charm gate was there in the original. I still need to get Guts up to unlock Iwai...
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Arbite posted:You sicken me. Sam Riegel is fine. Unless he has a new Japanese VA in Golden. It's just that it's Teddie. Or WHAT'S THIS ABOUT A STUD?
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RazzleDazzleHour posted:P4G is really really good if you are willing to overlook one incredibly bad character (Teddie) and yosuke. yosuke is garbage.
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Jun 10, 2020 03:43
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Yosuke is weird because half the time the game expects you to laugh at him and the other half the time the game expects you to laugh with him without changing his personality in any way. But yes he is at least better than Teddie.
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Yosuke is probably the single best written character in the franchise, it's just that he was written like a person and all his peers are anime characters.
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Utgardaloki posted:Yosuke is probably the single best written character in the franchise, it's just that he was written like a person and all his peers are anime characters. Honestly this, Yosuke is insufferable but he's insufferable in that fairly realistic "lovely 00's teenager" way. He's still way better than Teddie, but honestly P4 has a fairly weak cast in general imo, they rely too much on being a funny group and it kinda gave me mood whiplash when I played.
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Ive said this a million times but Yosuke is maybe the most realistic portrayal of a teenage boy in any fictional medium. On the flipside Kanji is like a thirty-year-old who is for some reason in high school Teddie on the other hand insists on saying one-liners every single sentence, never listens, and really really wants to sexually harass girls and then ramps it up into assault territory. Once he leaves the TV every single scene he's in is focused around him because he never stops talking and when the game finally gets serious he never gets a single line of dialogue to the point where they literally deus ex machina remove him from the game for a while just so you don't have to listen to him
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I don't even find Yusuke particularly unlikable. The odd homophobic crack deserves a stern correction and constantly sexualizing his female friends is super uncomfortable but totally par for reality. (and in reality they'd be doing it back, just more subtly and less problematically, because girl teenagers are disadvantaged but also still teenagers) Past the uncomfortable stuff he's brave and passionate and desperately trying to be engaged with the world around him even though he hates he terms he's on. Having flaws makes it also easy to write in actual virtues. all this talk of teddie sucking and no mentions of his footsteps tho, c'mon
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Utgardaloki posted:all this talk of teddie sucking and no mentions of his footsteps tho, c'mon True story: The first time I got Teddie in the party, swapped him into the party, walked through two rooms, and immediately decided he would never be in the party again.
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[onomatopoeia of teddie's footsteps to go here as soon as I figure out what the gently caress that would be]
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Junpei is also a fairly realistically written character, and he's a bit less bad compared to Yosuke (even his mild sexism in P3P gets called on early so the game can refocus back on his jealousy issues).
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Dr. Fishopolis posted:Sploick? I would say the beginning comes in a bit harder, like a clock sound. Toick?
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Polderjoch posted:Honestly this, Yosuke is insufferable but he's insufferable in that fairly realistic "lovely 00's teenager" way. The P4 cast is incredibly lucky that the serial killer is so infrequently active because there is no way these kids could deal with a more complicated threat. They got it easy compared to everyone else, so they had an excessive amount of time for wacky teenage hijinks.
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On one hand, the P5 cast is much more competent. On the other hand, they're also weighed down a little by Ryuji. (I actually like Ryuji but he fails more at being subtle than Yosuke or Kanji.)
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ApplesandOranges posted:(I actually like Ryuji but he fails more at being subtle than Yosuke or Kanji.) Ryuji is at least neatly divided between Cutscene Ryuji and Social Link Ryuji.
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Ryuji is certainly the king of the 'best bros' character archetype in Persona over Junpei/Yosuke. He's a good, loud egg.
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Ryuji is so competent and clever in his SL that it sticks out like a sore thumb compared to how the rest of the game treats him.
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Everyone in the game treats Ryuji like poo poo but he is an awesome bro and he is actually great in game so it's always a joy to use him.
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Ryuji is a lovable dumbass and his line about how LA is probably somewhere around the middle of America because it's the capital is one of my favorite lines of dialogue in any game
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RazzleDazzleHour posted:e: holy poo poo Lol, I guess vita emulation is now dead forever, can't wait to get this. Mirello fucked around with this message at 17:26 on Jun 10, 2020 |
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Are Personas 1-3 any good and worth a playthrough? 5 was my intro to the series so I'll probably consider getting P4G.
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3 is the same formula is 5, but there's been so many quality of life and mechanics changes since then it might be hard for someone to go back to 3. I still think the tone and themes of 3 are among the best in the series, but it's going to feel like a really old game in comparison. You can't manually control party members, you can't manually select persona ability inheritance, the dungeon is all random generated, there's less bonus fun stuff going on, etc. Some of the social links are downright atrocious. 4G you can probably get into. I played it after 5 came out and it held up. Orcs and Ostriches fucked around with this message at 17:38 on Jun 10, 2020 |
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seiferguy posted:Are Personas 1-3 any good and worth a playthrough? 5 was my intro to the series so I'll probably consider getting P4G. Depends on what you like. I liked 4 the best, because I liked the group the best. 3 is where the current gametype began, and I'd say it has the best main plot. I haven't played 1 and 2 so I can't speak on them.
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Mirello posted:Lol, I guess vita emulation is now dead forever, can't wait to get this. The Vita loving rules though, honestly it's worth picking up. A hundred bucks will get you a little machine with genuinely amazing hardware that can play literally any PS1 or PSP game natively, can emulate basically everything 5th gen and earlier and has a surprisingly awesome library itself. I still use mine all the time, I've been playing through SotN and MGS3 and having a grand ol time
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seiferguy posted:Are Personas 1-3 any good and worth a playthrough? 5 was my intro to the series so I'll probably consider getting P4G. I actually prefer vanilla P4 by a lot. Marie adds very little to the story except bad poetry and I thought the pacing was better the first time around. 3 is absolutely worth a playthrough but it's kind of a hard game to play. You can choose FES, which is the most "complete" version imo, but you can't control your party members. You can choose P3P, which gives you the (better written) FemC route and direct control of your pals, but everything outside Tartarus is a straight up visual novel. The 2 duology is the best writing in the series by far, not even close. The gameplay however is a mixed bag that frustrates a lot of people who didn't grow up in a certain era. Persona 1 is just not very fun to play.
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I love how in the P4 Endurance Run they joke about Hitler being the final boss
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seiferguy posted:Are Personas 1-3 any good and worth a playthrough? 5 was my intro to the series so I'll probably consider getting P4G. 1 and 2 are completely different styles of games and settings that the series has long since ignored. From what I’ve been told, they are good game and 2 (both parts of it) has a really good story, but they are very outdated in gameplay design. 3 is the first of the modern play style and it shows. The story and characters are well developed, but the gameplay is more than a little annoying. It doesn’t even let you control your party members directly. Still very good, but very rough around the edges.
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I LOVE the series and have tried to play P2 like four times and can't make it more than four hours in without getting bored. The games also have the "early PS1 translation" problem where lines feel like they were translated one-by-one and don't line up as part of a coherent conversation, even in the fan translations. Some lines are total non sequiturs, some conversations feel like you were dumped into them in the middle. I don't know how much of this the PSP update changed but you'll still have to go through a fan patch for Eternal Punishment. But yeah, they're just not fun to play. P3 rules though if you don't mind a much more stagnant gameplay formula - there's only one dungeon and it's basically Mementos, down to the random floors. From a character perspective though, it's the best one by a longshot (party-member-wise, not social links, the vanilla game had such meh social links that later versions actually replaced a fair number of them). Your team are basically just co-workers and aren't really friends at all, so sometimes someone will say "hey sorry I can't go to the dungeon tonight, I have to study." The main character is also much more true to a silent protagonist and the game is more about the side-characters, to the point where they get their upgraded Persona though plot and without the MC even around. Hell, you can't even social link with your whole team.
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RazzleDazzleHour posted:I don't know how much of this the PSP update changed but you'll still have to go through a fan patch for Eternal Punishment. the EP fan patch is still not done and likely won't be any time soon  PS1 version is the only english option.e: if you can help, get in touch with this person: https://twitter.com/cj_iwakura Dr. Fishopolis fucked around with this message at 20:45 on Jun 10, 2020 |
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RazzleDazzleHour posted:I love how in the P4 Endurance Run they joke about Hitler being the final boss Literal Hitler is the final boss of Persona 2 IIRC? Something about Nyarlathotep being his Persona (or was Hitler Nyarlathotep's Persona?)
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It's January 2nd now and what the gently caress...?  a blue-eyed bed intruder!this game is making me lol like no other.
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Fojar38 posted:Literal Hitler is the final boss of Persona 2 IIRC? Nyarlathotep is one of the two main gods of the Persona world. He embodies the negative aspects of the human psyche while Philemon, creator of the Velvet Room, represents the positive. In essence, they are the collective Personas of mankind as a whole. They just don’t show up in person or get mentioned at all since P2. Nyarly just took the form of Hitler as to enact his world ending rumor plans for his own amusement. He can be anything he feels like what with being the Crawling Chaos and all. Geostomp fucked around with this message at 01:11 on Jun 11, 2020 |
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