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ol qwerty bastard
Dec 13, 2005

If you want something done, do it yourself!
You'll need to set aside a good chunk of time to read this but it's pretty fascinating and ends on a really hopeful note.

Black Death, COVID, and Why We Keep Telling the Myth of a Renaissance Golden Age and Bad Middle Ages

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ultrafilter
Aug 23, 2007

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COVID-19 Can Last for Several Months

Aesop Poprock
Oct 21, 2008


Grimey Drawer

Inceltown posted:

The Real Lord of the Flies.

This is uplifting as gently caress and nothing like the work of fiction.

That’s really cool. Apparently there was a book about it released this year and there’s a documentary coming out, but it’s definitely super odd that it never took hold in the public imagination like you’d expect it would have

ultrafilter
Aug 23, 2007

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The Looming Bank Collapse

Red Dad Redemption
Sep 29, 2007


:thermidor:

The Sausages
Sep 30, 2012

What do you want to do? Who do you want to be?
Not sure if this counts as a Longform Article but it's long and worth reading through. Jacob Holdt's "Roots of Oppression".

:nws: and :nms:

ultrafilter
Aug 23, 2007

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https://twitter.com/No_Little_Plans/status/1281981054639919104

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost
https://www.washingtonpost.com/maga...go/?arc404=true

Hilarious wild ride about a bullshit charity Instagram

coolusername
Aug 23, 2011

cooltitletext
Has anyone read this article - and I can only remember it vaguely - it was a long-form one about the robots used in the military and how the units they're with anthropomorphise them? I remember something about one unit getting in trouble for taking it fishing off-duty, and something about how the scientists showed off one that was centipede-like and made for absorbing bombs but the person watching got upset seeing all the legs blown off?

I can't give more of a description but I think I got it from here or the unnerving thread.

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

This particularly rapid💨 unintelligible 😖patter💁 isn't generally heard🧏‍♂️, and if it is🤔, it doesn't matter💁.


The Last of the Zoroastrians. Zoroastrianism does not allow conversions, and excludes the children of Zoroastrian women who marry out. The child of a mixed marriage goes back to India on a tour sponsored by the Zoroastrian community, and finds the community dying out.

ultrafilter
Aug 23, 2007

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Immunology Is Where Intuition Goes to Die

Cacafuego
Jul 22, 2007


That's a pretty good one, thanks for posting it. Immunology was one of my favorite course in my molecular biology program. My teacher was this short, fat guy who always wore a hat in class and had a ponytail. He'd walk around the huge classroom chewing gum, talking really fast and calling on random people to answer questions or read from the slides. He also played WoW with the PhD students that worked in the lab I was doing my research work in.

I've given up trying to explain immunology to people.

Scaramouche
Mar 26, 2001

SPACE FACE! SPACE FACE!

coolusername posted:

Has anyone read this article - and I can only remember it vaguely - it was a long-form one about the robots used in the military and how the units they're with anthropomorphise them? I remember something about one unit getting in trouble for taking it fishing off-duty, and something about how the scientists showed off one that was centipede-like and made for absorbing bombs but the person watching got upset seeing all the legs blown off?

I can't give more of a description but I think I got it from here or the unnerving thread.

Was it this?
https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2013/09/funerals-for-fallen-robots/279861/

coolusername
Aug 23, 2011

cooltitletext

Yes, that's it! Thank you!

J Detan
Apr 24, 2008

Wir haben uns zu Meistern der Wissenschaft!

Grimey Drawer

Oh my god I thought I was just supremely unlucky. It’s weirdly almost a relief to see this is happening to other people too .

ultrafilter
Aug 23, 2007

It's okay if you have any questions.


J Detan posted:

Oh my god I thought I was just supremely unlucky. It’s weirdly almost a relief to see this is happening to other people too .

There's a lot of stuff on Twitter that's posted under #longcovid. Might be worth taking a look and seeing if you can find resources nearby.

teen witch
Oct 9, 2012
Hi if anyone has more articles about the loving bonkers rear end explosion in suddenly caring about child trafficking plz post

I found this and it wasn’t too bad but god, I’m at the equally horrified/fascinated stage of this conspiracy

https://melmagazine.com/en-us/story/save-the-children-qanon-child-trafficking

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost

teen witch posted:

Hi if anyone has more articles about the loving bonkers rear end explosion in suddenly caring about child trafficking plz post

I found this and it wasn’t too bad but god, I’m at the equally horrified/fascinated stage of this conspiracy

https://melmagazine.com/en-us/story/save-the-children-qanon-child-trafficking

It's worth checking out what kind of discourse in the comments these types of stories are generating.

e.g.,

quote:

i dont have links on hand but increasingly over past, five or so, maybe more, years there has been escalating hostility and dismissiveness towards feminism and the oppression of women as a class. part of that is the seemingly deliberate misinterpretation of black feminist theory like identity politics and intersectionality, where the former is demonized similarly by conservatives and leftists alike, and the latter is weaponized in order to dissolve the idea of women as a coherent class. you’ve also seen the invocation of terms specific to feminism to describe bigotry or sometimes, any random situation that has absolutely nothing to do with feminism at all, like when the actress evangeline lilly said she wouldn’t quarantine or whatever, and people called it white feminism, or that time i saw some nonbinary lesbian get called a terf for saying “my vagina likes other vaginas.” neither of these situations had anything to do with feminism, nor did either person identify themselves as feminists, and yet these incidents were explicitly associated with feminism, which helps to cultivate a negative connotation. you can also see this in that one time someone on here called donald trump a terf (????????) or when someone calls ann coulter or whatever random conservative woman a “white feminist.” its insanity.

you have also seen people levy criticism against feminism that are exclusively complaining about feminism centering women, like the discourse on here that chastised women for lamenting that yet again, a woman was not awarded (or even nominated!) for best director and was passed over again for best screenplay. a number of people complained that this was “white feminism” because it ignored the men of color who had won and been nominated, even though that is quite literally irrelevant to women’s rights because being minorities does not negate being a man. and it of course ignored that no woman of color has ever been nominated for best director, despite the nomination of several men of color, dating back to the late 1960s. i even saw someone say that women of color actually have to wait for men of color to achieve something before being able to achieve it themselves, which is loving disgusting. there is a variety of discourses online that merely exist to object to speaking about women as a class at all, as evidenced when alabama issued their abortion ban and people clamored to argue that it wasn’t about attacking women as a class at all, but it was about classism or racism or yadda yadda yadda. issues that have been understood as overarching issues for all women are now not treated as women’s issues at all.

which brings me to the absolutely regressive and depressing way in which largely younger people have sought to erase the idea of gendered violence and instead promote the idea of “pedophile culture.” i would say the dismissal of gendered violence as gendered first emerged out of a desire to point out the ways in which intimate partner violence and sexual assault can happen to anyone in a variety of contexts (same sex partnerships, for example, are not immune from ipv and i do believe the goal was so that young ssa people would not mistakenly believe they could not be victimized). however, what ended up happening was that a lot of people would then decide that gendered violence wasn’t actually gendered, since men could be raped too and women could be rapists, and it didn’t matter how stark the actual statistics were. this coincided with a rise in the normalization of violence against women in the bedroom, where gendered violence like strangulation became sexy and sex positive and everything was fine if it was consensual. this also coincides with a disturbingly pro-porn culture that was obsessed with romanticizing sex work under the guise of supporting sex workers. both of these phenomena deny the larger social contexts for the sex industry and so-called “rough sex” and essentially, intentionally or not, proclaim that there is no significant power imbalance between men and women, and that women are not an oppressed class who are subjugated through interpersonal violence and the commodification of our bodies (and then the subsequent further marginalization of sex workers that ensures that they cannot stop doing sex work and that makes them even more disposable to men than other women).

enter pedophile culture. all of the contexts in which we could understand something as being apart of the violence used to entrench male supremacy became about pedophilia. young girls are sexualized and preyed upon because of pedophilia. women are subjected to forced body hair removal and dieting and all the perils of female beauty norms because of pedophilia. sexual harassment in hollywood revealed by #metoo was not merely one example of how women are victimized by misogynistic violence in all industries, but was proof of a culture of pedophilia in hollywood. sex trafficking of women only matters when it’s done by pedophiles and is the result of “pedophile culture.” and all discourse about pedophile culture attributes it to a shadowy cabal of elites that control our media and our banks and our minds, apparently. instead of gendered violence, instead of violence against women as a class being used to entrench the male supremacy inherent in every facet of our lives, all evils could be attributed to the sexual deviancy of pedophilia, and all of these pedophiles was a single group of gender neutral elites. there is no coherent oppressed class, no coherent oppressor.

and i would be remiss if i did not acknowledge how the term “toxic masculinity” has been nothing but destructive to feminism, not only by positing that men are somehow also oppressed under male supremacy, but also that there is such a thing as a positive or neutral masculinity, as though masculinity is some innate and natural concept and not a tool to create a cohesive oppressor class, and to provide further distinction from the oppressed

Some people say "never read the comments", but comments can tell you as much as a story itself by reflecting how the narrative is being digested and what's being taken from it.

ultrafilter
Aug 23, 2007

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She Helped Wreck the News Business. Here’s Her Plan to Fix It

lt_kennedy
Sep 2, 2007
Needs Moar Race

Pick posted:

It's worth checking out what kind of discourse in the comments these types of stories are generating.

e.g.,


Some people say "never read the comments", but comments can tell you as much as a story itself by reflecting how the narrative is being digested and what's being taken from it.

As a trans non binary person who is much closer to male I feel like we're a chohort of men adjacent mascs no one thinks of.

Anyone got any long reads about trans men and nonbinary folks????

Pretty good
Apr 16, 2007



Pick posted:

It's worth checking out what kind of discourse in the comments these types of stories are generating.

e.g.,


Some people say "never read the comments", but comments can tell you as much as a story itself by reflecting how the narrative is being digested and what's being taken from it.
That person is kinda tipping their hand Super loving Hard with the segue into railing against "pro-porn culture" and sex workers and especially that final paragraph in particular

Also the suggestion that someone calling Donald Trump a terf is in the same ballpark as a self-identified feminist being accused of the same for insisting that their orientation is genital-centric tbh

Really tho just lol if being yelled at by a trans person once broke you so bad that you're wading into the comments of an article exploring new age Q freak fascists to dump a wall of poo poo about how young feminists who point out and criticise the mass fetishisation and commodification of "youth" as a desirable quality in women are actually the REAL pizzagaters

"its insanity" indeed. Get the gently caress offline jfc.

ultrafilter
Aug 23, 2007

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The Prophecies of Q

A lot of the people who are batshit about child trafficking are involved with QAnon, and we're probably getting a congressperson who believes in it next year. It's some really crazy stuff but it's popular enough that you can't just dismiss it as nuttery.

quote:

QAnon is emblematic of modern America’s susceptibility to conspiracy theories, and its enthusiasm for them. But it is also already much more than a loose collection of conspiracy-minded chat-room inhabitants. It is a movement united in mass rejection of reason, objectivity, and other Enlightenment values. And we are likely closer to the beginning of its story than the end. The group harnesses paranoia to fervent hope and a deep sense of belonging. The way it breathes life into an ancient preoccupation with end-times is also radically new. To look at QAnon is to see not just a conspiracy theory but the birth of a new religion.

RC and Moon Pie
May 5, 2011

ultrafilter posted:

The Prophecies of Q

A lot of the people who are batshit about child trafficking are involved with QAnon, and we're probably getting a congresspersons who believes in it next year. It's some really crazy stuff but it's popular enough that you can't just dismiss it as nuttery.

e: Here's something legitimately nice and gentle.

How Two Kentucky Farmers Became Kings Of Croquet, The Sport That Never Wanted Them

RC and Moon Pie has a new favorite as of 17:59 on Aug 16, 2020

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost
The point was it a person was not a self-identified feminist, that people are identified as feminists when they're doing something bad to fix it by association. Even when that person has expressed no explicit interest in or association with that political movement, which is what it is. Being a woman does not automatically make you a feminist.

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Oct 15, 2012

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ultrafilter posted:

The Prophecies of Q

A lot of the people who are batshit about child trafficking are involved with QAnon, and we're probably getting a congressperson who believes in it next year. It's some really crazy stuff but it's popular enough that you can't just dismiss it as nuttery.


https://www.thedailybeast.com/qanon-promotes-pedo-ring-conspiracy-theories-now-theyre-stealing-kids?source=articles&via=rss

It’s also gonna get worse. QAnon followers are increasingly trying to kidnap children (usually their own) and it’s starting to look less and less like lone wolf scenarios, with other QAnons often sheltering them from the law

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

This particularly rapid💨 unintelligible 😖patter💁 isn't generally heard🧏‍♂️, and if it is🤔, it doesn't matter💁.


Thanks, RC and Moon Pie, that was lovely. Everybody else, go read it.

Pretty good
Apr 16, 2007



Pick posted:

The point was it a person was not a self-identified feminist, that people are identified as feminists when they're doing something bad to fix it by association. Even when that person has expressed no explicit interest in or association with that political movement, which is what it is. Being a woman does not automatically make you a feminist.
When the op cites a reasonable example of someone they consider to be a feminist being called a terf for saying terf poo poo as if it's comparable to other examples of plainly ridiculous invocations of "feminism", they are telling on themselves! Noisily!

There are some salient points about feminist ontology in there but it's mostly just an unprompted mass drop of total shithead second-wave talking points as regurgitated by someone whose primary activist space is the Discourse part of instagram, sorry.

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost
You're not engaging with the points though, you're saying that because you saw something that you can squint and call a red flag, that therefore the argument is made, nothing they say can be accurate, and that you get to skip to the win scenario. Even if their comment has nothing to do with the red flag?

I completely agree with their point that there's an obsession with "pedophilia" in situations that are far more characterized by gendered violence, which is considered loaded and naughty even though gendered violence is a stone cold observable phenomenon.

I don't know when "Discourse" became worse than... non-discourse. If you cannot articulate your position, and use rhetorical cheats to exempt yourself from the attempt, then you may maintain your perspective but you have no capacity to affect change among a broader population. It's the same kind of walled thinking I saw among Southern Baptists when I lived in the South ("this can't be true because the speaker doesn't go to my church enough and is therefore evil and is therefore always wrong"), and I didn't buy it then and I don't buy it now.

Declan MacManus
Sep 1, 2011

damn i'm really in this bitch

Pick posted:

You're not engaging with the points though, you're saying that because you saw something that you can squint and call a red flag, that therefore the argument is made, nothing they say can be accurate, and that you get to skip to the win scenario. Even if their comment has nothing to do with the red flag?

I completely agree with their point that there's an obsession with "pedophilia" in situations that are far more characterized by gendered violence, which is considered loaded and naughty even though gendered violence is a stone cold observable phenomenon.

I don't know when "Discourse" became worse than... non-discourse. If you cannot articulate your position, and use rhetorical cheats to exempt yourself from the attempt, then you may maintain your perspective but you have no capacity to affect change among a broader population. It's the same kind of walled thinking I saw among Southern Baptists when I lived in the South ("this can't be true because the speaker doesn't go to my church enough and is therefore evil and is therefore always wrong"), and I didn't buy it then and I don't buy it now.

it’s because “discourse” itself is a rhetorical cheat designed to delegitimize certain forms of expression as being too vulgar or lacking in decorum or otherwise not being credentialed enough to engage in debate; it’s trafficking exclusively in opinions that have been consensus built by your communities rather than what you actually think, except instead of a church or fox news it’s whatever your favorite intellectuals on twitter or whatever are saying

the reason discourse has declined is because many political issues are issues of human rights and suffering, and the need to articulate yourself clearly in order to prove that you deserve to live and have rights is pretty insulting; people shouldn’t have to jump through four rhetorical hoops just to say that maybe feminists who traffic in gender essentialism are arguing in bad faith and maybe aren’t really feminists. with regards to that specific comment, that person seems to be advocating to unite all women under feminism and is backbiting against intersectionality; it’s essentially the feminist equivalent of class reductionism (gender reductionism?), takes a detour into “actually kinky sex is all just a reproduction of power imbalances and sex work is exclusively exploitation”, and she wraps it up with denying the role of toxic masculinity’s effects on men. whether or not you believe in the repressive nature of men towards other men (and in most modern feminist discourse it is in fact A Thing) or the validity of sex work as a career or the needs of women to supersede those of people of color or poor people it suggests a certain through-line that, whether or not this person identifies as a feminist, they do adhere to a pretty consistent internal logic that aligns with second wave feminism

and also whether or not she’s a feminist she’s reiterating a lot of talking points that people do not care for, regardless of popular discourse (which, again, is not aligned with this person’s way of thinking), and as such people are not required to engage with their ideas in good faith. it is not especially practical to listen to everyone all the time in full just to see if their ideas pass your litmus test for acceptable thought

also that comment is just a fuckin wall of text; i get it’s the longreads thread but hoo boy It’s a doozy i don’t blame anyone who doesn’t want to engage with it

Lord Zedd-Repulsa
Jul 21, 2007

Devour a good book.


I think this thread can handle discussion and derails as long as it stays civil, which you managed.

Pretty good
Apr 16, 2007



Declan MacManus posted:

it’s because “discourse” itself is a rhetorical cheat designed to delegitimize certain forms of expression as being too vulgar or lacking in decorum or otherwise not being credentialed enough to engage in debate; it’s trafficking exclusively in opinions that have been consensus built by your communities rather than what you actually think, except instead of a church or fox news it’s whatever your favorite intellectuals on twitter or whatever are saying

the reason discourse has declined is because many political issues are issues of human rights and suffering, and the need to articulate yourself clearly in order to prove that you deserve to live and have rights is pretty insulting; people shouldn’t have to jump through four rhetorical hoops just to say that maybe feminists who traffic in gender essentialism are arguing in bad faith and maybe aren’t really feminists. with regards to that specific comment, that person seems to be advocating to unite all women under feminism and is backbiting against intersectionality; it’s essentially the feminist equivalent of class reductionism (gender reductionism?), takes a detour into “actually kinky sex is all just a reproduction of power imbalances and sex work is exclusively exploitation”, and she wraps it up with denying the role of toxic masculinity’s effects on men. whether or not you believe in the repressive nature of men towards other men (and in most modern feminist discourse it is in fact A Thing) or the validity of sex work as a career or the needs of women to supersede those of people of color or poor people it suggests a certain through-line that, whether or not this person identifies as a feminist, they do adhere to a pretty consistent internal logic that aligns with second wave feminism

and also whether or not she’s a feminist she’s reiterating a lot of talking points that people do not care for, regardless of popular discourse (which, again, is not aligned with this person’s way of thinking), and as such people are not required to engage with their ideas in good faith. it is not especially practical to listen to everyone all the time in full just to see if their ideas pass your litmus test for acceptable thought

also that comment is just a fuckin wall of text; i get it’s the longreads thread but hoo boy It’s a doozy i don’t blame anyone who doesn’t want to engage with it
Thank you for articulating this. I am loving Tired.

ultrafilter
Aug 23, 2007

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The Broken Algorithm That Poisoned American Transportation

Male Tiers
Dec 27, 2012

Why don't you just lay down your weapons now?
An article about the form-meaning debate in natural language processing models: https://blog.julianmichael.org/2020/07/23/to-dissect-an-octopus.html

Safety Biscuits
Oct 21, 2010

John D'Agata's What Happens There is about Levi Presley, a kid in Las Vegas who jumped from the Stratosphere Hotel. It's about the suicide rate in Las Vegas, how inadequate the suicide prevention is there, the writer's intuition of a sadness behind the glitz, and, finally, Presley's last day: staying late at a party, maybe smoking weed, losing a Tae Kwon Do tournament, arguing with his parents, and going to the tower. Several years after being commissioned by Harper's, the original essay was published in an annotated version as The Lifespan of a Fact, with a credit to Jim Fingal. You might want to read the essay before you read on.

Harper's rejected the essay because of factual inaccuracies; The Believer picked it up a couple of years later, and Jim Fingal was the intern assigned to fact-check it. The Lifespan of a Fact is D'Agata's original essay (not quite the same as the final version), with commentary surrounding a few lines of essay per page. Fingal checks facts and notes things D'Agata made up, bent, or simplified for the essay – there’s plenty of these, some minor, some impossible to verify, some pretty big – and D’Agata defends himself. Occasionally they argue.

The book is billed as a meditation on the relationship between “truth” and “accuracy”, conveying D’Agata’s vision of the slippery nature of existence and the fictionality of fact. It’s not awfully good at this, though, because while Fingal is nitpicking, D’Agata’s defences are mostly pretty weak. He’ll argue that something sounds better, when the difference is tiny, and some of his assertions make him sound like an idiot. Having green eyes makes you more likely to kill yourself? No word in Latin for suicide? Not only is that wrong, but the next page describes sixth-century cardinals voting to outlaw suicide… Sometimes he calls things acclaimed and then admits he’s the one who did it, or makes contradictory arguments. At one point he defends using a Geocities website as a source for a weird legend about the origin of Tae Kwon Do. A lot of the time his defence is that he wants to present his view of things, which wasn’t great in 2003 but has aged, er, poorly. “Las Vegas is messed up” is one thing; what if his feeling was “weed makes you kill yourself”, or Tae Kwon Do does, or that Presley’s parents were to blame?

And what’s the point of using facts if you don’t care if they’re accurate?

It’s not that great an essay either, I think. It’s not that well written and rather clichéd and exploitative in the way it uses D’Agata’s and Presley’s real lives.

There seems to be another layer to the book. The discussions seem rather stylised, and the pair are happy to publish the book together and offer joint thanks to their editor. How fictionalised is this layer of the book? I’m not sure, but there's an obvious artistic purpose to it and it doesn't make light of a boy's death; so if I’m right about this, it’s a better argument for bending the truth than most of what D’Agata says.

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Aug 23, 2007

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“CrossFit is my church”
How fitness classes provide the meaning that religion once did.


I thought this was interesting when it first came out two years ago, but now that I've seen QAnon emerge as a new religious movement I think maybe it's worth revisiting.

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Aug 23, 2007

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“I Have Blood on My Hands”: A Whistleblower Says Facebook Ignored Global Political Manipulation

Inceltown
Aug 6, 2019

Buying Myself Back. Trying to reclaim your own image.

Inceltown
Aug 6, 2019

Tony Abbott posted:

You could drop me in the bush and I’d feel perfectly confident navigating my way out, looking at the sun and direction of rivers and figuring out where to go, but this! Hah!

Why you shouldn't post pics of your boarding pass online

JPrime
Jul 4, 2007

tales of derring-do, bad and good luck tales!
College Slice

goddamn this was good.

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Aug 23, 2007

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FinCEN Files Show Criminals Moved Billions As Banks Watched

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