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rodbeard posted:John Wayne in True Grit got outacted by the guy with no acting experience that they casted when Elvis bailed. John Wayne also almost bailed on the film because his decades of acting experience did not prepare him for the daunting task of playing a slightly different cowboy and they wouldn't let him bring in his personal screenwriter to turn it into a generic John Wayne movie. There is no reason to ever watch the John Wayne version again now that somebody did a version with somebody who can actually act. I didn't make it all the way through the Shootist because I didn't want to watch 2 hours of people sucking John Wayne's dick because they felt bad that he was about to die. Honestly it's disgusting that they gave John Wayne an Oscar for butchering the work of a blacklisted author considering he had a role in getting several people blacklisted himself. i mean, that's why you usually append a john wayne was an rear end in a top hat but a lot of his movies are widely considered classics because the only way to bring some of them down is by talking about the behind the scenes stuff where wayne's assholery comes out the thread talked about this like a week ago but even rooster cogburn, his second to last film, is an example of one of those weirdly progressive john wayne movies like hatari! you probably wouldn't see today where a late 60s wayne is actually paired with a late 60s actress, whose character is smarter than him, always gets the last word in their verbal duels, quickly acclimatizes to roughing it, holds her own in shootouts and you later get to see katharine hepburn strafe some outlaws with a gatling gun; the movie doesn't pair them off either because hepburn plays a pious preacher's daughter who resists wayne's charms and at most concedes that a drunk lout like cogburn is a good marshal - the duke is supposed to be the coolest dude in the room but a grandma played by a feminist icon mostly outshines him and that made some wayne fans upset at the time the film itself is fine, the actor himself throughout his life and behind the scenes was absolutely a massive turd tho hard counter has a new favorite as of 17:52 on Jun 10, 2020 |
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oldpainless posted:There’s two types of people: Clint Eastwood people and John Wayne people more like oldwayneless
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The only two westerns I give a poo poo about are The Magnificent Seven (original) and Tombstone. Guess I'd come down on Eastwood's side, because I've seen some of his films and I don't think he's openly advocated white supremacy.
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Sunswipe posted:The only two westerns I give a poo poo about are The Magnificent Seven (original) and Tombstone. Guess I'd come down on Eastwood's side, because I've seen some of his films and I don't think he's openly advocated white supremacy. You mean the Seven Samurai remake?
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Sunswipe posted:The only two westerns I give a poo poo about are The Magnificent Seven (original) and Tombstone. Guess I'd come down on Eastwood's side, because I've seen some of his films and I don't think he's openly advocated white supremacy. I mean, uh, his political views aren't known for being great.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:You mean the Seven Samurai remake? Yes. I didn't specify that as I thought that piece of trivia was quite well known.
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Sunswipe posted:The only two westerns I give a poo poo about are The Magnificent Seven (original) and Tombstone. Guess I'd come down on Eastwood's side, because I've seen some of his films and I don't think he's openly advocated white supremacy. how is it possible to be this wrong about Clint Eastwood
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There's only one good western movie and it stars Will Smith.
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Nah...the only good Western movie stars Cleavon Little and Gene Wilder.
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any western other than one that completely deconstructs the genre is insultingly bad. So yeah Fitzgerald was right on the money
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It’s not the best western but my favorite western is The Quick and the Dead
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It’s not my favorite western but the best western is a hotel chain. My favorite western is definitely the 2010 True Grit, that was incredible.
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Ugly In The Morning posted:It’s not my favorite western but the best western is a hotel chain. Mods
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oldpainless posted:It’s not the best western but my favorite western is The Quick and the Dead That's a great one. Ballad of Buster Scruggs is awesome too.
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Hell or High Water is pretty much my favorite western, modern or classic.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:You mean the Seven Samurai remake? No one mentioned A Bug's Life
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The Life and Times of Judge somethingorother owns super hard
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Does someone have that comic of JK Rowling joining the circle of problematic authors? SFF author public opinion so far: Iredeemable: Marion Zimmer Bradley. You can look up why. Deep End: Orson Scott Card: Openly Hates the Gay. Dan Simmons: Hates the Muslim. JK Rowling: Openly Hates the Transgender community. Her pen-name "Robert Galbraith" is the same name as the man who pioneered conversion therapy. Mixed: Roald Dahl: Had some unkind words on the Jews. Helps to be dead for so long that he can't judge any adaptations. HP Lovecraft: Racist even for his time-period. Died at an early age so we'll never know if he'd turn a leaf. You can easily adapt his work and shed the racism. Saint: Terry Pratchett K.A. Applegate Idiot: Terry Goodkind Probably writes with one hand: Robert Jordan Peter K Hamilton
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FWIW, every firsthand account I've heard from folks working with Robert Jordan has said he was a real chill dude who just really liked writing about skirts divided for riding and tugging of braids.
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And boy howdy do not google Robert Heinlein's views.
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Robert Jordan stands out in my mind as some of the worst prose and dialogue possible in the fantasy genre. I'll never forget trying to read that first wheel of time book. But maybe he's not a horrible dude. Also, Pratchett isn't horrible but I don't know if I'd call him a saint either.
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There's a PYF thread about bad books that generally dives into the fact that the authors are also terrible people The short answer is that list is way bigger.
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Inspector Gesicht posted:Does someone have that comic of JK Rowling joining the circle of problematic authors? SFF author public opinion so far: this is going around recently and is a really, really big stretch. if she took galbraith as a pen name from that guy, he was not the pioneer of conversion therapy nor is it his most notable academic idea. e: to clarify, I'm a trans woman, and rowling is definitely transphobic and transmisogynistic as poo poo; it's the specific idea that it's some deep cover conversion therapy reference that's ridiculous Arivia has a new favorite as of 18:46 on Jun 10, 2020 |
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The best western is obviously Deadwood. The True Grit book is really good though (the newer movie is probably just as good, but I watched it like an hour after I finished the book and could only focus on what they changed.)
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Toshimo posted:FWIW, every firsthand account I've heard from folks working with Robert Jordan has said he was a real chill dude who just really liked writing about skirts divided for riding and tugging of braids. i think the list is maybe referring to the fact that rand al'thor in wot had like 3 women sharing him physically and a ton of other women in those books were weird about the way they were lusting after him, iirc when jordan was accused of peddling in juvenile male fantasy, he just shrugged and said in college he once dated two women at once so surely the chosen one would have his legions
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Toshimo posted:FWIW, every firsthand account I've heard from folks working with Robert Jordan has said he was a real chill dude who just really liked writing about skirts divided for riding and tugging of braids. And spanking. Don't forget the spanking.
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I'm not a prude. I also would never say GRRM writes one-handed because that would imply he loving writes.
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I never finished wot and I had completely forgotten that Rand was basically putting together a harem. If Robert Jordan was born 40 years later he'd be making those anime porn visual novel games.
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verbal enema posted:Piers Anthony On the plus side he has some Good views on racism / transphobia, on the minus side I think it's been a good 40 years since he last wrote a book that didn't have a sexy child on the prowl for an adult man.
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sweet geek swag posted:And spanking. Don't forget the spanking. I will never forget the spanking.
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Inspector Gesicht posted:Does someone have that comic of JK Rowling joining the circle of problematic authors? SFF author public opinion so far: Lovecraft should move a rung up, because yes he was that awful and also wasn't a good writer, but he did start reconciling his racist rear end georgian cosplay views with reality before he died
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lovecraft also had real brain problems that were probably genetic since both his parents died in mental asylums iirc, his raving views on race were so preposterous even to his contemporaries that he could make racism unappealing to racists it's hard to say what he'd be like if he was properly treated
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hard counter posted:lovecraft also had real brain problems that were probably genetic since both his parents died in mental asylums iirc, his raving views on race were so preposterous even to his contemporaries that he could make racism unappealing to racists "At the Mountains of Marvels" "The Chat with Cthulhu" "The Shindig on the Doorstep"
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Inspector Gesicht posted:Does someone have that comic of JK Rowling joining the circle of problematic authors? SFF author public opinion so far: Where would Ray Bradbury be on this list? He's pretty much my favorite author and I don't remember if I've heard anything really bad or controversial about him, but I probably missed something. I seem to remember he supported GWB, or at least he got excited when Bush said something about wanting to send astronauts to Mars, and got upset that Michael Moore copied the name of one of his books when he came up with the name "Fahrenheit 9/11" (a man with books titled "Something Wicked This Way Comes" and "I Sing The Body Electric" getting angry at somebody evoking a title from a work by another writer...). Brandon Sanderson seems alright. He's Mormon but is more open-minded than a lot of religious folks, though he's very awkward when writing anything even remotely sexual (I guess that's better than being a One-Handed Writer that describes what every body part is doing and how it smells doing it though)
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AFewBricksShy posted:
Surprised nobody's mentioned it yet
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I'm not composing a serious, detailed list because then I would end up like that One Angry Gamer guy and his "Traitors of America" list. Sanderson is fine but you could omit the first 400 pages of his biggest books and miss nothing.
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Hatari! owns.
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Red Sun is a wildly problematic western, but it stars toshiro mifune and charles bronson, so it's kind of worth it if you can tolerate wild racism and sexism. Robert Jordan-no idea what his politics were, but those books are super thirsty. Amazon is terrible and everything, but I might break down for a prime subscription to watch the show. Was the first fantasy series I read that wasn't for kids, lord of the rings, or based on magic or d&d.
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