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Iodised QQ
Jul 23, 2004

The leftovers season 2 is some of the best TV of the last decade and is viewed as such by most critics and viewers alike

I had mixed feelings on the watchmen on the whole but please don't drag my leftovers in to this

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El Pipila
Dec 30, 2006
I am invincible; I have a stone on my back!

Nail Rat posted:

How is it socialistic? At the very end it celebrates Angela, a violent person who doesn't have a problem abusing power and doesn't answer to authority, grabbing godlike power for herself. That's a textbook objectivist fantasy.

It doesn't really have a real message.

She kinda changed at the end there though, didn't she


show is good (just good)

GoGoGadgetChris
Mar 18, 2010

i powder a
granite monument
in a soundless flash

showering the grass
with molten drops of
its gold inlay

sending smoking
chips of stone
skipping into the fog
Aw man, like a hundred new posts had me assuming the trailer dropped for s2 of The Boys

Grandpa Palpatine
Dec 13, 2019

by vyelkin

Iodised QQ posted:

The leftovers season 2 is some of the best TV of the last decade and is viewed as such by most critics and viewers alike

I had mixed feelings on the watchmen on the whole but please don't drag my leftovers in to this

Seriously? I liked season 1 way more than season 2. There was so much poo poo that happened that just had no goddamn explanation at all. I still haven't seen season 3, so I guess I should probably watch that before saying anything else.

Only problem is that it has been so long since I've seen season 2, I don't really remember all the minor details, so I'm not sure if I need to rewatch it before season 3????

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013

Grandpa Palpatine posted:

Only problem is that it has been so long since I've seen season 2, I don't really remember all the minor details, so I'm not sure if I need to rewatch it before season 3????

Most of the minor details are irrelevant after the first episode. Hell, after the cold open. It's pretty egregious.

Zaphod42
Sep 13, 2012

If there's anything more important than my ego around, I want it caught and shot now.

Alt Shift X is a smart guy

Adrian Statue being a "golden yolk inside an egg shaped spaceship" is a nice symbol I missed

OldSenileGuy
Mar 13, 2001

The REAL Goobusters posted:

I also think Watchmen HBO was a really bad season of television both ratings wise and content wise.

Well since you feel this way and the show is over there's not really much more reason for you to be in this thread. So don't be.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!
I feel like noone has mentioned that Calabar (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calabar#Seaport_City) was the most prominent origin port during the height of the Atlantic Slave Trade, with up to 20% of all ships laden with slaves departing the entirety of Africa leaving from this port.

SimonCat
Aug 12, 2016

by Nyc_Tattoo
College Slice
So, was Don Johnson's character supposed to be the grandson of his character from Django Unchained?

Captain Splendid
Jan 7, 2009

Qu'en pense Caffarelli?

Orange Devil posted:

I feel like noone has mentioned that Calabar (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calabar#Seaport_City) was the most prominent origin port during the height of the Atlantic Slave Trade, with up to 20% of all ships laden with slaves departing the entirety of Africa leaving from this port.

That link appears to me in grey so my immediate thought is that someone did.

clown shoes
Jul 17, 2004

Nothing but clowns down here.
https://twitter.com/watchmen/status/1243583774924865538

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

And they said they weren’t going to do a second season.

Colonel Whitey
May 22, 2004

This shit's about to go off.
Tom Mison does a masterful Jeremy Irons impression

ruddiger
Jun 3, 2004

I wonder if people are going to start fashionizing their covid masks into superhero masks in real life.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Wow, Petey’s apartment looks like poo poo compared to everyone else’s fancy house (except maybe Ms. Cruickshanks and Mr. Philips), even though he was 100% more into it than half of them. We’ve got to fight the real plague: capitalism.

Nieuw Amsterdam
Dec 1, 2006

Dignité. Toujours, dignité.

ruddiger posted:

I wonder if people are going to start fashionizing their covid masks into superhero masks in real life.

gently caress it I’m going full Looking Glass.

Pussy Quipped
Jan 29, 2009

ruddiger posted:

I wonder if people are going to start fashionizing their covid masks into superhero masks in real life.

More like every cop in america is going to wear a mask.

SpiderHyphenMan
Apr 1, 2010

by Fluffdaddy
lmao at this show's utter failure at being relevant in a world four months after its season finale.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Time moves faster now. What from four months ago is relevant now? I mean, technically Sars-CoV-2 but

Sleeveless
Dec 25, 2014

by Pragmatica
The fact that this isn't just another garbage product designed to string nerds along for as long as possible instead of telling a complete story and loving off is a good thing, actually.

BB2K
Oct 9, 2012
I think the real reason is no one watched it, and of those that did, at least half hated it by the end

Because it ended up being garbage

Ugly In The Morning
Jul 1, 2010
Pillbug

BB2K posted:

I think the real reason is no one watched it, and of those that did, at least half hated it by the end

Because it ended up being garbage

This thread is the only place I’ve seen people hating it. Most of my friends watched the show and all the ones that did were hooked til the end. Even on SA, whenever I’ve seen this show come up it’s been referred to positively. Like, yeah, people aren’t still actively discussing it because what’s to discuss? There’s no reason to theorycraft about season 2 because the show is done, there is no season 2. Thinking a show is going to be heavily discussed 4 months after it definitively ended while the world is also going completely bonkers isn’t really reasonable. Leftovers is regarded as some of the best TV of all time but people don’t really talk about that much these days either.

Sleeveless posted:

The fact that this isn't just another garbage product designed to string nerds along for as long as possible instead of telling a complete story and loving off is a good thing, actually.

Also, this. Remember how people were furious going in that this was going to be a mystery box show and never really give any answers despite Lindelof saying “it’s just one complete season”? People were just that furious about Lost, I guess.

Raxivace
Sep 9, 2014

Well, the show took a stab at a lot of important and current real world issues while also being a sequel to one of the most beloved comic books of all time, though it was ultimately in service of a story that didn't seem to have all that much bite to it.

Obviously no one expects a TV show to be discussed all day every day forever by everyone who watched it, especially in light of a pandemic. But 20-30 years from now will anyone be talking about the show and debating what it meant the way they do the comic? I'm not sure they will.

Toxic Fart Syndrome
Jul 2, 2006

*hits A-THREAD-5*

Only 3.6 Roentgoons per hour ... not great, not terrible.




...the meter only goes to 3.6...

Pork Pro
So is everyone mad that the show took on the topic of institutional racism or that a tv show couldn't solve institutional racism in the real world in nine episodes?

Ugly In The Morning
Jul 1, 2010
Pillbug

Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:

So is everyone mad that the show took on the topic of institutional racism or that a tv show couldn't solve institutional racism in the real world in nine episodes?

And it actually had an effect- look at all the pushes for investigating mass graves in Tulsa that popped up when people learned about the massacre for the first time because of the show.

KoRMaK
Jul 31, 2012



Ugly In The Morning posted:

And it actually had an effect- look at all the pushes for investigating mass graves in Tulsa that popped up when people learned about the massacre for the first time because of the show.
seems like a long lasting societal impact to me

TychoCelchuuu
Jan 2, 2012

This space for Rent.

Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:

So is everyone mad that the show took on the topic of institutional racism or that a tv show couldn't solve institutional racism in the real world in nine episodes?
I mean, I liked the show well enough, but if I were going to get mad about something, it wouldn't be that the show took on institutional racism. It's that it dropped it like a hot potato to have another "supervillian contends with Dr. Manhattan" plot. When people were speculating that Trieu's plan was going to be something about traumatic memories, like maybe disseminating memories and experiences of racism (like her mother's travails) across everyone on Earth or something as a way of solving prejudice, that was interesting. When it turned out her grand plan was "be blue man" that was less interesting.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

I really enjoyed the arch tone and irreverence for the source material, but the ironic distance kind of clashes with the antiracism piece. Like Jeremy Irons and even Trieu are great light absurdities, but they don’t belong in a story that examines white supremacy and generational trauma in a serious way. Dr. Manhattan doesn’t really belong in that story either, even though he fled the holocaust and was a Jew in the 40s.

Sleeveless
Dec 25, 2014

by Pragmatica
I think some people have this expectation that a serialized piece of fiction should be a continuous linear progression of entertainment levels that peaks in the final episode. Saying Watchmen sucked because the character and thematic parts peaked a couple episodes before the finale is like saying Breaking Bad sucked because Ozymandias was the climax and Felina was mostly wrapping everything up.

Nail Rat
Dec 29, 2000

You maniacs! You blew it up! God damn you! God damn you all to hell!!
Watchmen sucked because the show correctly was saying nobody should desire or have the power that Dr Manhattan has, but then Angela does desire it and gain it (Lindoff has pretty much confirmed she doesn't fall into the pool like an idiot). And she's a very violent person who doesn't follow anybody's rules but her own. She absolutely shouldn't have that power.

I loved the show pretty much up until "Cal is actually Dr Manhattan in blackface lol." It ended up being quite the rollercoaster but I don't see myself watching it again.

Sleeveless
Dec 25, 2014

by Pragmatica

Nail Rat posted:

Watchmen sucked because the show correctly was saying nobody should desire or have the power that Dr Manhattan has, but then Angela does desire it and gain it (Lindoff has pretty much confirmed she doesn't fall into the pool like an idiot). And she's a very violent person who doesn't follow anybody's rules but her own. She absolutely shouldn't have that power.

It's true, when a character in a show does something it's because the show thinks that it's good and right and the creators fully endorse it IRL.

Darko
Dec 23, 2004

Nail Rat posted:

Watchmen sucked because the show correctly was saying nobody should desire or have the power that Dr Manhattan has, but then Angela does desire it and gain it (Lindoff has pretty much confirmed she doesn't fall into the pool like an idiot). And she's a very violent person who doesn't follow anybody's rules but her own. She absolutely shouldn't have that power.

I loved the show pretty much up until "Cal is actually Dr Manhattan in blackface lol." It ended up being quite the rollercoaster but I don't see myself watching it again.

Just because something happens doesnt mean it's an endorsement.

Ugly In The Morning
Jul 1, 2010
Pillbug

Sleeveless posted:

It's true, when a character in a show does something it's because the show thinks that it's good and right and the creators fully endorse it IRL.

That’s what drives me nuts about that argument. 90 percent of what Angela does is stuff the show straight up shows is a terrible idea and becoming Dr Manhattan is her completing the journey to being the platonic form of the phrase “the road to hell is paved with good intentions”

Martman
Nov 20, 2006

Honestly, Dr. Manhattan being like "hmm I should try being a black man in America" is extremely accurate to the character; if anything they put too much effort into justifying the decision

Ugly In The Morning
Jul 1, 2010
Pillbug

Martman posted:

Honestly, Dr. Manhattan being like "hmm I should try being a black man in America" is extremely accurate to the character; if anything they put too much effort into justifying the decision

Not just America, Tulsa. It worked well with his whole being tired of being a god thing?Where better to get away from not only having power over people but physics itself than being a black man in Tulsa? He hasn’t been treated as human for 80 years, but now he’s on the opposite end of the spectrum. It was a good twist in the character.

Man Musk
Jan 13, 2010

I haven't watched this show since the 3rd episode, and I'm excited to pick it up again judging by the thousands of posts and thread rating plummeting from Gold to Dooty

Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005

Man Musk posted:

I haven't watched this show since the 3rd episode, and I'm excited to pick it up again judging by the thousands of posts and thread rating plummeting from Gold to Dooty

There are some really good episodes and some kinda lame plot developments but people like to be histrionic ITT and it's fine.

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

𝅘𝅥𝅮 I wanna go home with the armadillo
Good country music from Amarillo and Abilene
Friendliest people and the prettiest women you've ever seen
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Hey, remember that idiot who said the show was irrelevant four months after broadcast? :lol:

KoRMaK
Jul 31, 2012



https://twitter.com/planetlabs/status/1269046985119727616
which ep was this

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KoRMaK
Jul 31, 2012



dont fall for it too hard tho, its a nice gesture by the DC mayor but that same mayor has historically tried to gently caress up the BLM movement

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