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Inspector Gesicht posted:Hollywood has the tendency to learn nothing from it's mistakes. In this case it's botching would-be franchises in the first installment. Artemis Fowl is yet another dead YA property to throw onto the pile. What else am I missing? Beautiful Creatures and Vampire Academy both come to mind. I was going to say Warm Bodies but looking it up now that seems like it was an original idea. After all this time, are Harry Potter, Twilight, and Hunger Games the only successful examples?
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I feel like the problem is they go into it expecting the reader base to show up and carry a series, rathe than just making a good movie.
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Jun 12, 2020 23:11
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Blows my mind how successful the "live action" remakes are. they're rear end.
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Jun 13, 2020 00:23
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I liked warm bodies
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The Clowner posted:I liked warm bodies Warm Bodies was surprisingly excellent.
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Golden compass
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Alan Smithee posted:Golden compass Has HBO’s attempt at that franchise fared any better?
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Bridge to Terabithia The House With a Clock in its Walls I Am Number Four Edit: poo poo am I wrong about that first one. My memory is that it came and went, but apparently it made over $130 million on a $25mil budget? Phanatic fucked around with this message at 01:57 on Jun 13, 2020 |
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Jun 13, 2020 01:40
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Phanatic posted:Bridge to Terabithia Everyone going nuts over what the movie was really about was hilarious because it was required reading when I was growing up.
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That reminds me: good job Netflix on carrying on with the Kangaroo Jack bullshit marketing.
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LIVE AMMO COSPLAY posted:That reminds me: good job Netflix on carrying on with the Kangaroo Jack bullshit marketing. To be fair the bullshit marketing is more memorable than the movie.
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quote:Worst of all, Artemis Fowl has no faith in its audience’s ability to handle a protagonist who’s not out to save the world. It doesn’t even trust its audience to follow its story without endless, draggy exposition. The film is narrated by the tragically inescapable Josh Gad, who plays a dwarf named Mulch Diggums who can tunnel by unhinging his jaw and expelling the dirt he’s eating out of his rear end in a top hat at an intense velocity (as spectacles go, it’s … haunting). Might have to watch this.
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Haunting? I read another review which said that was the best part of the movie.
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Unkempt posted:Might have to watch this. the most insane thing is, that's directly from the books yes, including him launching the dirt back out his rear end at cannon velocity those books got loving weird really, really fast
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Gonna need a Mulch Diggums mod for Deep Rock Galactic.
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WeedlordGoku69 posted:the most insane thing is, that's directly from the books The whole tone of the book is something I figured Hollywood wouldn't know what to do with- it's got a goofy sense of humour, what with 'LEP recon' and all, while the characters take things seriously as fairies fly around on mechanical wings with laser guns and the cigar-smoking chief chews out the hotshot rookie. Speaking of, Holly is more of the protagonist for most of the book I thought, though she spends most of it kidnapped. The author did the Hitchhiker's Guide final book based on the author's notes iirc.
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I've never read the books, but from the bits I've heard about it over the years its essentially "Fantasy Lupin III for kids", is that about right?
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Safety Factor posted:Gonna need a Mulch Diggums mod for Deep Rock Galactic. He is more than likely already in Dwarf Fortress
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Yeah I read the first book and it's nothing like the movie describes, it's more a kid who's a criminal genius who gets involved with weird magic poo poo.
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Yeah Artemis Fowl is a pretty poor adaptation of the book. The movie feels like there’s a half hour chunk of movie missing.
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The whole premise is literally a genius pre-teen kid of an Irish crime lord discovers that fairies are real, with the opener being him and his bodyguard locating a drunken homeless fairy and bribing her to get to take photos of her book of magic, and using that to capture a fairy who's trying to recharge her magic and hold her for ransom. Most of the book is the resulting standoff between the preteen criminal mastermind and his badass bodyguard, and the fairy police in a nearly unprecedented situation for them.
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Chairman Capone posted:Beautiful Creatures and Vampire Academy both come to mind. I was going to say Warm Bodies but looking it up now that seems like it was an original idea. Maze runner for to limp to completion.
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I wouldn't be surprised if there was a strong correlation between a YA movie's success and the success of its source material. I'm not in the target demo for these things, but my cousins and such were way into Hunger Games but Percy Jackson or Vampire's Assistant or whatever barely made an impact. Twilight, like Hunger Games, had a lot of fans both in and out of the demo, and I'd guess based on the fact that four (?) of them got released, Divergent was probably a bit hit, too.
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Mywhatacleanturtle posted:Has HBO’s attempt at that franchise fared any better? I've never read the books or seen the other adaptation but I liked it. With one big huge exception it has a good cast.
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From what I remember of the book, the entire motivation of Artemis Fowl is that he's ultimately doing everything to heal his sick mother. And from what I've read about the movie, they switch it so that his motivation is to rescue his kidnapped father, and his mother is killed off before the movie begins. Another great writing move from the progressive ally Disney!
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Rochallor posted:I wouldn't be surprised if there was a strong correlation between a YA movie's success and the success of its source material. I'm not in the target demo for these things, but my cousins and such were way into Hunger Games but Percy Jackson or Vampire's Assistant or whatever barely made an impact. Twilight, like Hunger Games, had a lot of fans both in and out of the demo, and I'd guess based on the fact that four (?) of them got released, Divergent was probably a bit hit, too. Pretty much every series they've made movies out of were super successful as books. I worked as the receiving manager at a bookstore during the boom. It especially sucked when the Hunger Games movies came out because they shipped us several hundred copies of each book so the boxes took up at least 1/4 of our already not large enough stock room for months. Honey most of the kids that wanted the book already bought it before the movie.
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I don't remember much of the first Artemis Fowl book but the movie isn't that bad? He's still a genius rear end in a top hat child and not the "happy go lucky kid" that the old greenlit thread decided he was. Instead of being part of a family of organized crime his family still stole things but they were fairy artifacts. His mom being dead instead of just severely ill is a bit lovely but Disney movies can't have two parents for reasons That said i haven't finished the thing so maybe there's a major drop in quality at some point but this is a perfectly average movie
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Artemis Fowl in the books is a weird genius kid who has to make an effort to act more kiddy so he doesn't creep most people out, and he's flat out looking for money to rebuild his family's criminal empire- curing his mother's mental illness is basically a last-minute bonus he trades half the ransom for to show he's not just greedy. Things get complicated in later books after he does rescue his father, and his parents want to go straight so he has to hide his criminal and supernatural dealings from them. It sounds like the movie does the typical modern thing of simplifying things that didn't need to be and removing moral complexity even when it was the whole point that made things interesting.
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Len posted:I don't remember much of the first Artemis Fowl book but the movie isn't that bad? He's still a genius rear end in a top hat child and not the "happy go lucky kid" that the old greenlit thread decided he was. Instead of being part of a family of organized crime his family still stole things but they were fairy artifacts. His mom being dead instead of just severely ill is a bit lovely but Disney movies can't have two parents for reasons He doesn't have two parents in the books. If I remember correctly, his mom is alive but severely ill in the first book, whereas his father is completely MIA and presumed dead (and finding out WTF happened to him is, iirc, part of the second book's plot, along with elves fighting the Russian mafia). Honestly, it's kind of hilarious, because for all the effort they put into making it a potential franchise, nearly every change they made from the book ends up dicking over some aspect of the later books. It's like they knew they were doing it too late and actively tried to shoot themselves in the foot, knowing there was no chance in hell they were getting sequels anyways. Also, Josh Gad is terrible casting for Mulch, and I say that as someone who doesn't hate Gad as much as most (he's fine in the right roles). Charlie Day would have actually been my pick. e: I have a huge soft spot for these books on account of "they're basically what would happen if Lupin III got in a teleporter accident with Shadowrun." They're not high literature, even factoring in that they're for kids, but they've got a drat good hook and a really fun cast of characters, and that carries them a long way. WeedlordGoku69 fucked around with this message at 16:15 on Jun 13, 2020 |
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Phanatic posted:Bridge to Terabithia The fact that you included in this list speaks to the marketing campaign. From what I can remember, the movie came out in a lull between Harry Potter and Chronicle of Narnia releases and sold itself as a straight fantasy adventure along the same lines.The trailer is a bunch of CGI-heavy scenes that, in the movie, are a few seconds long. The commercials doubled down further, putting special emphasis on the troll and pixies. My parents took my siblings I out to see it when it came out, expecting a light evening of family fun. Instead, we left the theater bawling and had a sobering conversation about death on the ride home.
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QuoProQuid posted:The fact that you included in this list speaks to the marketing campaign. From what I can remember, the movie came out in a lull between Harry Potter and Chronicle of Narnia releases and sold itself as a straight fantasy adventure along the same lines.The trailer is a bunch of CGI-heavy scenes that, in the movie, are a few seconds long. The commercials doubled down further, putting special emphasis on the troll and pixies. I've heard more than one story about people watching it with family after a death in the family thinking it was a light-hearted romp.
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For some reason I always just assumed Artemis Fowl was about a talking chicken detective. I'm pretty disappointed now.
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From the trailer I thought AF was Boys in Black
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Seems like YA novel adaptations are having almost the problem of video games or maybe anime adaptations, even not even considering how difficult the material may be to film; they make a bunch of baffling changes for no apparent reason, obviously building up to a franchise but making decisions that gently caress over even theoretical future movies, and general seem to have no idea what people liked about the original material while failing to hold up as a movie on its own merits either.
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Jun 14, 2020 16:48
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Josh Gad is the one who won the contest to be in the Artemis Fowl movie, when he was a kid.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Seems like YA novel adaptations are having almost the problem of video games or maybe anime adaptations, even not even considering how difficult the material may be to film; they make a bunch of baffling changes for no apparent reason, obviously building up to a franchise but making decisions that gently caress over even theoretical future movies, and general seem to have no idea what people liked about the original material while failing to hold up as a movie on its own merits either. Isn't this just the case with novel adaptions in general? The difference in length between a novel and a film means you have to make a lot of cuts and adjustments. It might just be that with a YA adaption, the studio feels more pressure to not make too many changes because there's a percieved need to appease the fans of the novel, and also (in some cases) because some bits of the story are required to set up parts of the next story, and so on. There's plenty of poo poo novel adaptions where you can tell what is tripping the film up is the adaptation process. I think Harry Potter ended up working quite well in this respect because the first three books are very standalone (and thus allow for more liberal editing), but you can see the same issues appear as the series go on and the films get longer and longer until the last one got split in two to fit everything in. And even the early ones feel a bit odd at times because each 2 hour film is based on a book that spans an entire school year.
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the problem, imho, is two-fold: the first is a matter of scale. what constitutes success in literature is several magnitudes smaller than what constitutes success in film. even if we assume every artemis fowl book sale translates to a movie ticket, that's still only 21 million tickets, which is somewhere below Madagascar 3 in terms of tickets sold and probably a huge flop for an intended franchise. the other problem is the usual one of the studio having whack ideas about what audiences do and do not consider palatable and making a lot of decisions by committee that muddle whatever was compelling about the source material. i personally haven't read artemis fowl but "child supervillain defrauds the magical world" sounds a lot more interesting than the warmed-over harry potter aesthetic disney seems to go for in every original live action movie it puts out. e: in artemis fowl's case, it also probably doesn't help that this movie is coming out almost two decades after the book series was last relevant QuoProQuid fucked around with this message at 19:11 on Jun 14, 2020 |
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Jun 14, 2020 17:25
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Didn't the Golden Compass movie make some change that would've made adapting the other books virtually impossible.
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The Josh Gad extreme amount of voice over starts as soon as the movie begins and rarely lets up. I can’t believe they thought that voice was anything but awful. Real “Little Nicky” levels of “who the gently caress told him to speak that way and why in the world did you make him do it the entire film?”
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QuoProQuid posted:The fact that you included in this list speaks to the marketing campaign. From what I can remember, the movie came out in a lull between Harry Potter and Chronicle of Narnia releases and sold itself as a straight fantasy adventure along the same lines.The trailer is a bunch of CGI-heavy scenes that, in the movie, are a few seconds long. The commercials doubled down further, putting special emphasis on the troll and pixies. The book blindsides people too. I vaguely remember the male protagonist comes across as a complete rear end in a top hat on the book, to go with the child death.
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