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Slave armies of the Middle East where the elite of the elites, and seized control of several dynasties and sultanates across the Middle east and central Asia. Warrior slaves like the Mameluke where a very expensive investment, not cheap cannon fodder thrown into battle. The slaves where bought as boys and taught how to fight on horseback and without, taught archery and horse archery, how to read and write and they often memorized the quran. They where taught first aid, alchemy and math. They where not riffraff fodder.
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Jun 13, 2020 14:36
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Indian Chela slave-soldiers were treated shittily as the Mughals were primarily a cavalry army. The infantry, while not slaves, were incredibly I'll equipped so I can't imagine how badly treated the Chela were.
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Jun 13, 2020 15:16
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TheAnomaly posted:Oh please, tell me about your historical experiences with slave armies being whipped into combat. Exhibit a: https://youtu.be/YdXQJS3Yv0Y
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Jun 13, 2020 16:40
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Quick reminder that Casey Hollingshead, the head and possibly only writer for Battle Brothers was or is active on RPG Codex, where he posted gems like these: Also, he has a Twitter where he has weighed in on current events: https://twitter.com/Casey_notCasey/status/1270567871194726400?s=20 This is his only tweet related to Black Lives Matter in any way.
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Jun 13, 2020 21:44
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Well, in fairness he also notes in one of those posts that:quote:Black women are the best at sex and it's not even a close competition. I will continue to 'mix' it up until one of their boyfriends jacks me with a pipe or some other aspect of this reality changes. What a cool dude.
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Jun 13, 2020 21:49
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You are free to boycott the game if you like, I personally cannot wait for it. its is I am excited they are adding a middle eastern setting to the south, it is going to make the northern raiders origins very interesting.
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Jun 13, 2020 22:05
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Wizard Styles posted:Quick reminder that Casey Hollingshead, the head and possibly only writer for Battle Brothers was or is active on RPG Codex, where he posted gems like these: I always kind of suspected the writer(s) of the game might lean this direction, just from the tone of the writing itself. I won’t be buying this expansion.
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Jun 14, 2020 00:05
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The BLM movement is international. Statues of slavers and mass murderers are being torn down on almost every continent. Unless you live in China or North Korea or some other country that has an iron grip on the media, you should have heard of it. Hell even then the state media is probably using it to dunk on the USA and Trump. That being said... The slaves in the game sound more like one of the later books in the Game of Thrones series then real life.
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Jun 14, 2020 00:31
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It'd be nice if another merc game existed other than this and Battle Tech, but at least they gave a big middle finger to people who were angry about pronouns.
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Jun 14, 2020 00:40
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Wizard Styles posted:Quick reminder that Casey Hollingshead, the head and possibly only writer for Battle Brothers was or is active on RPG Codex, where he posted gems like these: Arrrrghhh, of course.
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Jun 14, 2020 00:42
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Like c'mon. "You finish throttling the last guard to death with your chains. Stupid of them to get drunk with a gladiator in their care. You and the other five are free now, you guess, but you've got maybe three complete sets of clothing, a bunch of improvised weapons, and prominent slave brands. Might as well head north and see how long you can last..." like it's right there! Why wouldn't you have it!
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Jun 14, 2020 00:54
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I'm trying to imagine the brain of a person who sees a system of brutal repression and immediately relates to the one holding the whip. That's apparently what they were assuming everyone would feel.
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Jun 14, 2020 03:07
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I feel like the "loosely based on historical armies" actually makes it more offensive, just say that it's pure fantasy that has no bearing on reality. It sounds interesting from a gameplay perspective and it's not like the game doesn't already let you do tons of morally reprehensible poo poo. If they included an "escaped slaves" start (which would I guess functionally be a southern version of the northern raiders start) it would be a nice way of showing that the're not weird authoritarians and/or racists (I mean that guy does appear to be very adjacent to a lot of bad opinions so uh not holding my breath)
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Jun 14, 2020 09:52
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Veryslightlymad posted:It'd be nice if another merc game existed other than this and Battle Tech, but at least they gave a big middle finger to people who were angry about pronouns. I'm working on it.
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Jun 14, 2020 14:20
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I think I would be fine without the slavery bit. It might be historical but I don't really need it in my game. I guess I'll figure out what to really think about the game when I see how they've implemented it. Wartime rape is also very historical yet I don't feel like it belongs in a game that I'd play.quote:The BLM movement is international. Statues of slavers and mass murderers are being torn down on almost every continent. Unless you live in China or North Korea or some other country that has an iron grip on the media, you should have heard of it. Hell even then the state media is probably using it to dunk on the USA and Trump. Sure, the BLM movement is international but with regards to race related police brutality here in the Netherlands all you'll get from people here is a big shrug.
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Jun 14, 2020 16:27
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torsoboy posted:Wartime rape is also very historical yet I don't feel like it belongs in a game that I'd play. I’m pretty sure it exists in this game and was discussed a few pages ago.
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Jun 14, 2020 16:35
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You can butcher and slaughter villages and engage in other ISIS level activities yet we draw the line at faux slavery. If you are that disturbed by a video game you are better off at doing something else more productive with your free time.
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Jun 14, 2020 17:45
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Savy Saracen salad posted:You can butcher and slaughter villages and engage in other ISIS level activities yet we draw the line at faux slavery. If you are that disturbed by a video game you are better off at doing something else more productive with your free time. You big, stupid idiot.
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Jun 14, 2020 18:11
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Glenn Quebec posted:You big, stupid idiot. This is truth
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Jun 14, 2020 18:19
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Savy Saracen salad posted:You can butcher and slaughter villages and engage in other ISIS level activities yet we draw the line at faux slavery. No, we accept wholesale murder of villages its incredibly easy to avoid that content by just choosing to... not do it. Slavery is going to be all over their not-Middle-East, and their choices on how to implement it as "historical" show a complete lack of historical understanding, especially considering they claim to have studied up on historical slave armies for inspiration. They're also engaging in revisionist behavior by making slavery something inherent to their Middle Eastern analogue while ignoring it's common practice in their European Analogue, thus perpetuating white elitist bullshit. They are also doing this at a time when POC are taking the spotlight globally and demanding better treatment, which manages to push it into the trifecta of stupid, poorly done, and tone deaf.
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Jun 14, 2020 20:09
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Engage idiots with the same level of energy they engaged you. Nothing you just said will sink in if that's the conclusion he came to already.
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Jun 14, 2020 20:35
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Edit: I am dumb that is not the Netherlands. I was thinking of Belgium. ScottyJSno fucked around with this message at 22:29 on Jun 14, 2020 |
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Jun 14, 2020 22:15
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There were also pushing this last year, to be fair. Regardless, i'm not sure there's gonna be anything stopping you from killing slavers and letting slaves go, if that's what you want to do.
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Jun 14, 2020 22:33
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Was seriously bummed and grossed out to read this blog entry. I mean at the very least this should've been a no-brainer: Benagain posted:Like c'mon. "You finish throttling the last guard to death with your chains. Stupid of them to get drunk with a gladiator in their care. You and the other five are free now, you guess, but you've got maybe three complete sets of clothing, a bunch of improvised weapons, and prominent slave brands. Might as well head north and see how long you can last..." I'd like a game like this where you deck your guys out in sick threads and the battles are you doing breakdance moves at the "enemy" to damage his cool or something, pimping my guys with gear in cool colors is basically all I do. Going to the second hand store between battles to score some sick retro shades.
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Jun 14, 2020 22:49
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I thought they shut down Casey hollinghead after it came out that he was fashy?
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Jun 15, 2020 03:28
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Beefeater1980 posted:I thought they shut down Casey hollinghead after it came out that he was fashy? I looked into this. It appears that he did get in some trouble with Obsidian: https://www.gamerevolution.com/features/347097-pillars-eternity-ii-writer-manchester-bombings-get-prepare The Battle Brothers website still lists him as their one and only writer: http://battlebrothersgame.com/team/ The sser profile on RPG Codex is still active but private and he's removed the "Battle Brothers (writer)" mention from his posts.
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Jun 15, 2020 03:50
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dogstile posted:There were also pushing this last year, to be fair. Regardless, i'm not sure there's gonna be anything stopping you from killing slavers and letting slaves go, if that's what you want to do. Didn't one of the earlier blog posts say that slaves are the basic starter enemy in the south, like bandit thugs or barbarian thralls up north, and that southern armies you fight against will use them as front line cannon fodder? Given how they've been treating the rest of the expansion, I can't imagine they're going to give us a way to fight southern armies without killing a bunch of slaves.
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Jun 15, 2020 04:37
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You guys know that a thrall is literally a slave too right?
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Jun 15, 2020 14:18
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Mazz posted:You guys know that a thrall is literally a slave too right? ITT loudmouth virtue signalers trying to convince themselves they're moral paragons miss the fact that the thing they've been protesting has been ingame all this while due to their limited vocabulary
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Jun 15, 2020 14:26
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Mazz posted:You guys know that a thrall is literally a slave too right? This is what the lore tells us about thralls: quote:Northern barbarians are not born free, but as thralls in servitude to their elders, and ultimately their tribe. They have no say on tribal matters, and they may possess only what they can carry. On occasion, members of other tribes are also accepted into thralldom, either peacefully or after being captured in battle. imo there's a pretty significant difference between "born into a lower caste but with the expectation that success in battle leads to upward mobility and freedom" and "born as chattel slaves who are literally cannon fodder (the blog describing southern slaves in combat says southern armies like to use slaves to get zone-of-control on enemies and then bombard the entire battle with gunpowder weapons) with no hope of freedom and the expectation that they'll be enslaved until an early death". It may be bad that the game gives you no way to resolve a barbarian combat without killing thralls, but it's a lot worse that by all indications it will give you no way to resolve a southern combat without killing slaves.
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Jun 15, 2020 14:27
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vyelkin posted:it will give you no way to resolve a southern combat without killing slaves. It would be pretty cool if there was a moment where instead of fighting slaves, the fight starts off basically by recreating that moment in Braveheart where the Irish and Scottish run at each other roaring bloody murder, then stop and share a laugh before turning on the British. So you end up with a host of rogue slave fighters taking their chance to turn on their masters and you go from being outnumbered to outnumbering the enemy. marshmallow creep fucked around with this message at 14:38 on Jun 15, 2020 |
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Jun 15, 2020 14:33
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vyelkin posted:This is what the lore tells us about thralls: ITT some forms of slavery are acceptable 
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Jun 15, 2020 14:34
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tentacles posted:ITT loudmouth virtue signalers trying to convince themselves they're moral paragons miss the fact that the thing they've been protesting has been ingame all this while due to their limited vocabulary No one is virtue signaling by being grossed out by that chud writers take on RPG codex you doofus
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Jun 15, 2020 14:38
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Glenn Quebec posted:No one is virtue signaling by being grossed out by that chud writers take on RPG codex you doofus Sorry man! Mouthing off is a bad habit, I'll tone it down I'm afraid to Google chud
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Jun 15, 2020 14:39
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vyelkin posted:This is what the lore tells us about thralls: You know that being a slave until you earn your freedom is still being a slave, right?
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Jun 15, 2020 14:45
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dogstile posted:You know that being a slave until you earn your freedom is still being a slave, right? Yes, and it's bad. It's also a good sign of how the game is going to treat the southern slaves, because I have played this game for hundreds of hours and literally never once had a chance to resolve a combat against barbarian thralls without killing them, even when they are the only opponents on the field and therefore theoretically free to just leave and not be slaves anymore. If you want to, you can explain this through the game's lore by saying that the thralls are trying to win the battle to earn their freedom in the culture of the northern barbarians, as explained by their unit description. That is not the case with what we know of the southern slaves.
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Jun 15, 2020 14:50
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vyelkin posted:Yes, and it's bad. It's also a good sign of how the game is going to treat the southern slaves, because I have played this game for hundreds of hours and literally never once had a chance to resolve a combat against barbarian thralls without killing them, even when they are the only opponents on the field and therefore theoretically free to just leave and not be slaves anymore. If you want to, you can explain this through the game's lore by saying that the thralls are trying to win the battle to earn their freedom in the culture of the northern barbarians, as explained by their unit description. That is not the case with what we know of the southern slaves. Technically you had the option to run away mate Xtreme Roleplaying(tm)
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Jun 15, 2020 15:04
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vyelkin posted:Yes, and it's bad. It's also a good sign of how the game is going to treat the southern slaves, because I have played this game for hundreds of hours and literally never once had a chance to resolve a combat against barbarian thralls without killing them, even when they are the only opponents on the field and therefore theoretically free to just leave and not be slaves anymore. If you want to, you can explain this through the game's lore by saying that the thralls are trying to win the battle to earn their freedom in the culture of the northern barbarians, as explained by their unit description. That is not the case with what we know of the southern slaves. My only argument in this is that I don’t feel we know enough to jump to conclusions. There very well could be a whole bunch of slave freeing stuff in this one if you are playing regular starts. Should you hold your breath over that? Definitely no, as you said, and the slavemaster start is in poor taste, no doubt. But until we have more than a few blog posts and the writings of a guy that is possibly not even involved with the game anymore I just can’t agree with the “boycott the DLC” mentality that pops up in this thread at times. If it turns out to be really morally lovely from start to finish then hopefully they deal with appropriate consequences of that, but Im not making the leap now because we don’t know poo poo, and frankly because it’s otherwise a very fun video game that I can freely disconnect from reality. Not trying to be rude with the last part either, I just don’t make that connection in a game set 1000s of years ago in a low fantasy perpetual misery land. Mazz fucked around with this message at 15:16 on Jun 15, 2020 |
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Oh yeah also I forgot the obvious comparison that the "northern raiders" barbarian company start doesn't give you a new mechanic specifically for whipping your thralls into battle to go die for you 
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