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Clowns Song is such a good fit for this scene.
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I'll have to go over this entire trial once again to confirm for sure, but did Nao try to steer towarda this outcome? It didn't seem like it. Once the final situation arrived she tried to use it out of desperation but before then she quietly carried her cross.
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Jun 15, 2020 19:54
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Mindblast posted:I'll have to go over this entire trial once again to confirm for sure, but did Nao try to steer towarda this outcome? It didn't seem like it. Once the final situation arrived she tried to use it out of desperation but before then she quietly carried her cross. Yeah, I think that Nao was resigned to her fate once she was outed as the Sacrifice and Gashu did cranial surgery on himself rather than allow everyone a do-over. Nao had no way of knowing that Kanna and Shin would end up with three votes each but the moment that Nao did realize as much is when she decided she'd ask Sara to vote for her in order to guarantee a three-way tie. Without that initial 3/3 split Nao is done like dinner since she can only get three votes at the most by that point (her two votes plus Sara's vote) and Shin or Kanna would have at least four votes.
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Jun 15, 2020 21:31
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Jefepato posted:Honestly, killing half a dozen other people just to save one person's life seems like a far deeper commitment than the average marriage proposal. It was to save her own skin, though. I guess we had prior notice that Nao gets really attached by her treatment of Mishimas's detached head.
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Jun 15, 2020 21:57
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wologar posted:It was to save her own skin, though. I guess we had prior notice that Nao gets really attached by her treatment of Mishimas's detached head.
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Jun 15, 2020 21:59
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        "Why?! Why didn't you choose me?!  ".......... "Sara... Before I go... um...   "...Ehehe... You're warm... "Well then... I-I'll... announce the results...  "... "...I see. So this is your answer, Sara... "...Nao... "It's strange... I couldn't stop shaking from fear... "But the moment you decided... that stopped. ... "I'm glad...  "Nao... "Oh... I forgot to mention. The second card trade... was by me... "... So Reko... protected you once, Nao. You were a close friend to Reko. There's no question of that... "Thank you very much... I wanted to finish that painting...Music stops. "W... Well then... I-It's time for the execution... "W... Wait!!       
     
         
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Jun 16, 2020 21:30
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I can't tell if Kanna actually won or if Hydro is just showing us all the options.
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Jun 16, 2020 21:42
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Shin/Sou "won"; I'm just showing the Kanna vote first.
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Jun 16, 2020 21:43
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That was so sad.
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Jun 16, 2020 22:22
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Chatrapati posted:That was so sad. Safalin, play "Creeping Terror".
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Jun 16, 2020 23:28
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This scene is what makes me think that Alice route is the correct route, as the thing with Reko appearing at the end is unique to this path, with no equivalent on the Reko path. Really, I find it annoying how you gain no new knowledge or anything from Reko surviving.
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Jun 17, 2020 00:08
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Oh that's right. They're executed at different times. Sou/Shin is going to go nuts.
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Jun 17, 2020 00:13
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So we're 2 for 3 on floor masters having Sara participate in executions (Sue gave Sara the impossible task of saving Joe, Safalin gave Sara a button that would immediately kill Nao but it never got pressed, Safalin did all of the work in the Massacre ending). Sue might've made Sara a part of Kai's execution if he hadn't spoiled Sue's fun and committed suicide. Gonna hazard a guess that Shin's day is going to get worse when Safalin gets Sara involved with Kanna's execution as well.
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Jun 17, 2020 00:33
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Falconer posted:So we're 2 for 3 on floor masters having Sara participate in executions (Sue gave Sara the impossible task of saving Joe, Safalin gave Sara a button that would immediately kill Nao but it never got pressed, Safalin did all of the work in the Massacre ending). Sue might've made Sara a part of Kai's execution if he hadn't spoiled Sue's fun and committed suicide. Specifically, Sara has been involved whenever the Sacrifice is executed.
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Jun 17, 2020 06:02
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What a needlessly brutal death. If this is some sort of hosed-up training, what kind of monster is it supposed to turn Sara into? E: And what sort of risks are they willing to take? AI(?) Sara had, what, a 17% chance of survival? They put this whole thing together with a 5/6 chance that they'd end up killing their prodigy? David Corbett fucked around with this message at 06:18 on Jun 17, 2020 |
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Jun 17, 2020 06:11
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...The button just makes the crusher go a little faster, doesn't it?
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David Corbett posted:What a needlessly brutal death. If this is some sort of hosed-up training, what kind of monster is it supposed to turn Sara into? Since the numbers all add up to 100%, we can assume that only the successful Sacrifice counts as winning the game, so its very plausible that Sara is a very popular person to spare with the Sacrifice, and would thus have a much higher survival rate than victory rate.
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Tax Evasion posted:Since the numbers all add up to 100%, we can assume that only the successful Sacrifice counts as winning the game, so its very plausible that Sara is a very popular person to spare with the Sacrifice, and would thus have a much higher survival rate than victory rate. Isn't that also assuming the keymaster never gets picked though? Because that's a scenario with no winner. Maybe, improbably, there's an equal number of Sacrifice and Keymaster wins. Or possibly neither count because they aren't "real" conclusions to the game. Who knows?
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Tax Evasion posted:Since the numbers all add up to 100%, we can assume that only the successful Sacrifice counts as winning the game  Arzaac posted:Isn't that also assuming the keymaster never gets picked though? Because that's a scenario with no winner. Edit: I wonder if they rounded the percentages, or if they tested the game exactly 1000 times. girl dick energy fucked around with this message at 09:34 on Jun 17, 2020 |
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Jun 17, 2020 09:24
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Neddy Seagoon posted:...The button just makes the crusher go a little faster, doesn't it? Nah, Safalin said it was instant death and the floor masters aren't allowed to lie. That doesn't make its existence less torturous: Nao has to choose between dying sooner (even if it means one of her friends has to murder her and be scarred by the experience) or dying slowly and painfully, while Sara has to press it quickly or end up with Nao dying slowly like Joe, this time as a result of her inaction. They chose the latter options, which seems like the worse ones, but I don't know if "killing people in order to prevent their suffering, even if it goes against their wishes, is the right choice" is a good idea to plant in Sara's head.
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I mean, I can understand Safalin giving Sara the remote. Either way, the group forced Sara to become the murderer (yeah, yeah, Nao could have voted for someone else) and the least Safalin could do to ease Sara's burden is by letting her make it quick and painless. I mean, Nao, you've forced Sara to be a killer with the choice, the least you could is die quickly so Sara at least makes it a mercy killing.
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Jun 17, 2020 19:01
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David Corbett posted:What a needlessly brutal death. If this is some sort of hosed-up training, what kind of monster is it supposed to turn Sara into? Presumably the game has to be real or the training doesn't work.
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Alternatively, this isn't the only real-life game. They could be raising many other "Sara"s and will repeat until successful.
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Also, seems very clear that Sou will indeed, go berserk if we choose Kanna over him. In the end, even if he was an rear end in a top hat, it seemed he did genuinely come to care about her, even over his own life. It's an interesting thing, Sou entered this game in the worst position of anyone, he was aware that he had no chance of winning, his only way to do so, would be to abandon who he was, and assume another identity, the identity of someone who could manipulate and control the other players to survive. But in the end, I guess Shin Tsukimi won out
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In the end he couldn't escape his better nature. It's tragic and horrible that he gets repaid this way for it, but that's death games for you. 
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 I couldn't push the button... There was no way I could push it... Once again... I couldn't protect them... Urghhh... aaaah...!! W... Wait!! Stop it already!! Please, Safalin...!!Music stops.   ...That's Gashu's... It's futile. Kanna's execution won't be changing.  Ain't you different from Gashu and Miley?! You carried out her execution with such a pained look...!! You don't really want this, do ya?! ........... You don't understand, do you... 
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That went roughly as expected. Sparing Sou does not give us a logical ally, it gives us someone that already hated Sara, now with even more hatred. It was a blatantly wrong choice and I'm glad we didn't go for it. The fake AI Joe was not expected though, and I don't think Sou could've pulled that one out so quickly, so this is likely from whatever Floor Master we meet next, if not Safalin herself. Safalin's bad attempts at looking kind completely broke down here too, not like I trusted her after the mind-mushing bad end.
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It's kind of funny to see Q-Taro now and compare it to him killing everyone to escape.
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Blaze Dragon posted:That went roughly as expected. Sparing Sou does not give us a logical ally, it gives us someone that already hated Sara, now with even more hatred. It was a blatantly wrong choice and I'm glad we didn't go for it. Eh, you could say she wanted to be shot and was disappointed that the gun was empty.
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All her actions have been sadistic: preying on the mind-wiped Sara, giving Rio a sense of empathy before he died for good, lying about Kanna's execution... Safalin's gimmick is "being sad." People mistook this for her feeling remorse, instead of just being part of her gimmick.
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StillFullyTerrible posted:All her actions have been sadistic: preying on the mind-wiped Sara, giving Rio a sense of empathy before he died for good, lying about Kanna's execution... She seems to honestly believe she's helping people, she lacks the ability to understand that what she's doing is wrong.
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StillFullyTerrible posted:All her actions have been sadistic: preying on the mind-wiped Sara, giving Rio a sense of empathy before he died for good, lying about Kanna's execution... Yeah, I don't think Safallin is human in a way of being able to be empathetic, she is, as she states, our enemy and always has been. she helped us because that's what she was ordered to do, not out of an empathic desire to understand our situation. If you ordered her to give us all cake she'd still be teary about it. EDIT: I just had a thought, that was, what if Keiji is working for the villains. It's a long short theory, but when I think about the First Trials we're aware of, Keiji's is one of the only ones that didn't put HIM in any danger. He was instead, given the choice to execute his superior officer. That could have been like a test, to see if he was willing to take on the role as a mole within the players (That we have no reason to believe exists). It might also explain why he cares so deeply for Sara, like it's one thing to elect her leader, but he's beyond anything willing to keep her safe and alive, excluding the Sacrifice moment, then again, I doubt if he was being tested at the start, he wanted to die. Onmi fucked around with this message at 09:54 on Jun 19, 2020 |
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Onmi posted:when I think about the First Trials we're aware of, Keiji's is one of the only ones that didn't put HIM in any danger. It's possible it was something like Joe and Sara's First Trial. Both Joe and Sara were strapped to the murder beds at first, but Joe found the key in his pocket. Keiji might have been in danger, freed himself and then been in a position to help Megumi, just as Joe found himself in a position to help Sara.
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Rith posted:It's possible it was something like Joe and Sara's First Trial. Both Joe and Sara were strapped to the murder beds at first, but Joe found the key in his pocket. Keiji might have been in danger, freed himself and then been in a position to help Megumi, just as Joe found himself in a position to help Sara. Speaking of, isn't the setup of the first trial for Sara and Joe kind of weird? Joe was a tagalong. Of the four tagalongs we're familiar with, three had the same trial, but while Kugie and Nao were the ones that needed to be saved by the actual candidate (who was in little danger), Sara was left at the mercy of Joe being able to solve the puzzle. Despite the fact that Sara is ostensibly the most important participant, and Joe is a relative unknown? Why risk it?
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Tenebrais posted:Speaking of, isn't the setup of the first trial for Sara and Joe kind of weird? Joe was a tagalong. Of the four tagalongs we're familiar with, three had the same trial, but while Kugie and Nao were the ones that needed to be saved by the actual candidate (who was in little danger), Sara was left at the mercy of Joe being able to solve the puzzle. Perhaps for the same reason Sara's been involved with the Sacrifices, to 'harden' her. Or perhaps to make her work for her 15% victory chance.
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Tenebrais posted:Speaking of, isn't the setup of the first trial for Sara and Joe kind of weird? Joe was a tagalong. Of the four tagalongs we're familiar with, three had the same trial, but while Kugie and Nao were the ones that needed to be saved by the actual candidate (who was in little danger), Sara was left at the mercy of Joe being able to solve the puzzle. iirc, according to Mishima, Nao was the one who saved him. Also, while I'm not sure how it'd work, I think the announcer voice said that they would choose who would solve the puzzle to rescue the other. It's been a while, though.
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mycelia posted:I'm not going to vote, but I'm curious to hear your thoughts on Keiji, OP. I couldn't quite get a grasp on him through 2-2. I think Keiji may have somehow put the idea of taking Sara's Sacrifice into Kanna's head. When Sara first gets the Sacrifice, Keiji is sweating when he tries to comfort her.  It's possible that like Kanna, Keiji guessed that Sara had become the Sacrifice by Sara's reaction; he's also still the Sage at this point, and could easily confirm that Sara was no longer the Keymaster. Keiji and Kanna can later be seen together in the Ruined Corridor:  When Sara asks Keiji to go to the Lobby for their escape plan, Keiji replies that he'll go as soon as he's done whatever it is he's doing. Sara notes that Keiji is "kinda in high spirits" ahead of the preliminary vote (which confirmed Sara wasn't the Sacrifice):  Keiji is then very quick to try dissuade the others from discussing the fifth trade:  HydroSphere posted:
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"You're exactly right. There are still mysteries remaining. In the fifth trade... Why did someone trade for the Sacrifice I had? And the other party was a Commoner... This isn't a problem we can ignore!
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Hmmm. Perhaps Keiji thought that Kanna and Sou were best gotten rid of together?
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That's a very interesting read on Keiji I hadn't really considered, it definitely makes sense considering I was thinking it seemed uncharacteristically dumb for Keiji to not even want to talk about the Sacrifice; if he was 100% sure Kanna traded it, he would be certain that Sou would be safe to vote for. Besides, he ended up voting for Kanna. He's clearly okay with letting her die in favour of Sara's life or whatever the gently caress he saw in Sou.
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