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teagone posted:The hero characterization in TLJ is some of the strongest in the franchise imo. Iconoclast Luke? Amazing path to take the character that I thought was executed perfectly. Radicalized revolutionary Finn? That's such an inspired storyline: defected stormtrooper, turned resistance fighter, now knows the truth behind the war he was raised to fight in and it burns his soul. Love that. Rose being emblematic of the oppressed/impoverished struggle? Her character simply existing opened the door to perfectly embellish a strong narrative through-line in the SW universe; the embodiment of working class folk in the form of a space mechanic (Rose) and a space janitor (Finn) being primed to lead a galaxy-wide revolution against a fascist regime owns something fierce. Such a shame that was never realized. Poe's arc is probably the weakest relative to everyone else's in TLJ, but I have no issues with how his story was handled. Cocky and arrogant pilot who romanticizes war and heroism is brought back down to earth works well enough for me. Someone upthread said something about how liking or disliking the film on personal grounds and because of its technical merits are two separate things. You can dislike a film while acknowledging it's still a good film. My go to example is Shazam. Hate it, but it's a fun campy superhero film that's well made. I dislike TLJ on both personal and technical levels. Personal, because I strongly dislike the direction they took Luke in. I think it's deeply unsatisfying that not only did the ST effectively undo the big victory at Endor, it turned the old heroes into the equivalent of alcoholic has beens, losers and child murderers. But fine, it's a valid choice to go that routek even if i personally hate it. Where it falls down, for me, is that the movie is also poorly executed. The core of the movie is the Luke-Rey-Kylo conflict. All that other poo poo about casinos and mysoginist admirals is just padding out the time, really. You can tell because this is the only part of the film that kinda works, the Luke-Rey bit in particular. The problem is that the parts that don't work are like 2/3ds of the film. Poe's conflict with Holdo is dumb. They're being massacred and the Captains response is to do nothing? Oh but it turns out she actually had a plan, and if Poe had only followed orders things would have worked out just fine, he should have trusted the leadership, because they know what they're doing! But the captain couldn't just say that they had a plan or were working on a solution or anything though, because of...reasons? The "your leaders know best and you should shut up and follow orders" theme is reinforced by Leia and Holdo being angry at Poe for...saving all their lives by destroying that super-ship? The problem with the Casino thing is that the whole point of it seems to be to say "Rich people want the war to keep going because they profit" and then....they don't loving do anything with it? The smuggler doesn't think picking a side matters because it's the illusion of choice, it's all the same, but guess what, our brave plucky heroes say, centrist liberalism status quo is better...than fascism. woooah, really blew our minds there, RJ! It's such an utterly stupid plot point because it's never going to go anywhere interesting. Disney isn't going to follow that up with a movie where Finn organises a revolution that kills the rich and uses their assets for the betterment of the galaxy or whatever. It's half baked, poorly thought out and a clear indicator they had no idea what to do with FN, and I really dislike it. Oh, they also have enslaved sentient horses and slave children. Our heroes take a stand against slavery by freeing the horses. gently caress them kids though. You can tell Finn is a force sensitive because screwing kids over is a proud jedi tradition. Then they have Rose stop Finn from his suicide run while also having Holdo make a suicide run. Ok, sure, why not. The movie lacks conviction. Just when you think something interesting might happen, it pulls back to comfortable and boring
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Cease to Hope posted:Yeah. The half of the plot with Finn and Poe and Rose doesn't make a lot of sense; it's a series of evocative images and characters explaining to you what you're supposed to feel about those images strung together without any real consideration for making a coherent story. It's basically the same sort of problem that made people dislike ROTJ, but to an even greater degree. Most of the Casino stuff is pretty dumb and ham-handed, and the "Why didn't they just save the kids rather than use the symbolism of freeing the animals to inspire the kids?" is a classic Fridge Logic moment that show TLJ could have used one or two more script revisions That being said, the DJ sub-plot is very dear to me. Del Toro knocks it out of the park with that character, and he's written as a really fresh take on the classic Star Wars Rogue archetype, not because of the twist that he sells out of the heroes rather than being won over by them, but because of how he expresses the world view that leads him there. The scene where he reveals that the rich fucks on this planet are rich because they've been selling weapons to both sides of the war is retrospectively a great motivation for why someone who seems to be a good person despite being overwhelmingly jaded would ultimately Look Out For Number One to the point of selling out freedom fighters to Nazis: in his experience, there's no real difference at the end of the day, ideals are just puppet strings for the powerful to send the weak into the meat grinder. What's the point of doing the right thing when there is no right thing? This cynicism-leads-to-enabling-evil thing is obviously supposed to be the thing that pushes Finn to pick a side when he spent the whole movie only caring about his personal needs (Rey) rather than ANY cause, the thing that makes Rose's shiny idealism finally crack through his defenses. Indeed, the most brilliant part of the whole thing is the line that DJ leaves on: when Rose spouts her platitudes and faith in good's ultimate victory while on her knees before a firing squad that DJ handed her to, DJ replies "...maybe." Even a bastard like that has some part of him that wants to believe, not enough to risk his life in a fight he sees as pointless, but enough that if there was something to inspire him maybe he could change. And thus Finn, despite having no reason to think he's even going to survive the next few minutes, finally goes all in on being "Rebel Scum." This moment is then taken from the micro to the macro scale by the ending: the Rebels old allies who fought off an Empire cower when they're called for help. They've lost all faith in a better world and won't stick their necks out like they did in the past to save Leia. But when Luke returns and becomes a legend, inspires them to believe again despite all logic, those dying embers fan back to life across the entire galaxy. The stories of Finn, Rey and Luke come together in a single message, that the Rebellion and the Jedi (and Star Wars itself from the meta perspective) were never about being saviors, but about letting people believe that they could win and make the world better no matter how impossible their lived experience makes that seem. Obviously its not perfect. Like I said the script needed a few more trips to the oven. But the heart of that movie SHINES even in its worst parts.
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TLJ has ideological things it says and then the actions that are occurring or leading up to them do not support what the character says. I assume the films core treatise is liberals and fascists are liars of the same caliber, but it makes a pretty poor space man shooty bang bang film in how it approaches making that statement
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Sanguinia posted:Obviously its not perfect. Like I said the script needed a few more trips to the oven. But the heart of that movie SHINES even in its worst parts. It's storyboard-driven writing. It feels like padding, like McCloud says here... McCloud posted:All that other poo poo about casinos and mysoginist admirals is just padding out the time, really. You can tell because this is the only part of the film that kinda works, the Luke-Rey bit in particular. The problem is that the parts that don't work are like 2/3ds of the film. ...because it is, in a lot of ways. There are these evocative single images and interactions, but it's easy to lose track of them or just not even appreciate them because the logic and story connecting them is so uneven.
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Cease to Hope posted:It's storyboard-driven writing. It feels like padding, like McCloud says here... I don't agree that Finn's story is padding, they reflect Luke and Rey's story deeply. The connective tissue of Finn's story, like you say, has some iffy logic stringing it together and it doesn't hit its big beats as hard as it should. It needed revisions. Poe's story is arguably padding, although it has a clear relation to the main story, ie "Poe can be an inspirational leader, but he needs to learn that swashbuckling isn't the solution to every problem." Remember, the message of the finale is that Luke's big heroic battle was an illusion, he didn't DO anything, but the image and story and the inspiration that came from it would inspire an entire galaxy to believe. Poe's story parallels that central tenant nicely and it serves a function in that regard, but it doesn't really do so in a very smart way and the movie probably would have been significantly better if they'd scrapped it and just had Poe go on a better-written version of the Casino Adventure with Finn and learn his lesson as part of getting betrayed by DJ as a direct result of his impulsive need to DO THINGS.
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To be serious... The sequel trilogy as a whole is a series of interesting moments strung together by corporate slop. It's virtually the opposite of the prequels, where you could say it's a a peculiar trilogy that came from the ideas of one man. In fact, it was the sequel trilogy that made me appreciate the prequels. But I came out of TLJ just as disappointed as I did coming out of Attack of the Clones. It isn't that TLJ is bad in every way - that'd be too easy. It's the fact that it has glimmers of an interesting story constrained by the needs of the Disney machine. TFA is the same way. TRoS is what you get when the product is just bad from start to finish, and I'm glad that it took the crown of worst Star Wars film. Consider Luke. Iconoclast Luke is a great take on the character. I have no problem with this as a concept. Where it falls apart is that there's a big flaw in the overall storytelling. Well, two flaws that are part of the same problem. 1. The story of Luke's rise and fall doesn't engage with the climax of Return of the Jedi in any real way. We don't even know what Luke is famous for. Did he tell everyone he killed Vader and Sheev? Did people put that on him? Did Luke try to explain that Vader saved his life and was his father? Or did he carry that inside him? 2. Luke's Jedi Academy is perhaps the most important part of the sequel trilogy and it's relegated to confusing exposition. Did Luke begin it out of obligation, or because he thought he was Luke Skywalker, Sith Slayer? What was the darkness inside Kylo? Prophecies - which is what Luke basically got from him - are frequently cheap tricks to justify a plot, and TLJ's was. How did Snoke reach out to Kylo and corrupt him? What really happened on that fateful night? (Turns out Kylo Ren didn't even burn down the temple, if you happen to read the EU, so, that's fun.) Sometimes ambiguity can be great, but it has to serve a purpose. Ambiguity of ambiguity's sake is a big problem in a lot of modern blockbusters. Both of these read like things that the writers couldn't figure out, because they're virtually whole stories in and of themselves. Instead, it's skipped over. Daisy Ridley was great as Rey and I'm even down with Rey as this 'Force vessel' with a ton of raw power. But that kind of character needs to do more than just conquer problems and fail upward. For all the people who talk about how great the sequel trilogy is for being a feminist power story or whatever, they neglect to notice that the film is hardly Rey's story - it's Kylo Ren's. Honestly, I'm not sure I have a single bad thing to say about Kylo. Adam Driver carried the films. The character is great but the films never knew how to handle him. TFA paints him as a powerful child, TLJ paints him as a furious warlord, TRoS makes him Emperor but also stupid. They never figured out what to do with Poe after he survived the crash, even in TFA. Having him re-enact a poor man's Battlestar Galactica in TLJ just felt weird and depends on serious tortured storytelling logic. On the other hand, it seems like Disney actively worked to minimize Finn because he's a black man. The way Rian talks about breaking up Finn and Poe's adventure to Canto Bight makes it pretty clear that there was executive meddling involved. That or he's a bad writer. Neither one reflects well. Hux was never necessary, and neither was Phasma. The films suffered from having way too many characters, and the fact they kept adding to the cast in every film was part of the reason the stories are so weird and disjointed. Snoke was a joke, always intended to be Darth Plagueis until fans guessed it and/or Rian killed him. Rose was squandered even in TLJ. The first two films have moments that I'd say rank up there as great Star Wars moments. Say, Rey and Ren duelling in the snow forest, for example. But the prequels also have great moments and have a unified vision to go with it. And that's not even going into some of the more odious stuff that Abrams did over the sequel trilogy. The 'I'll Put My Friend in Star Wars!' stuff. Sometimes I feel like an issue with the ST is that every person they brought on got giddy with the idea of making their mark on Star Wars. And what the gently caress is up with Palpatine's return? Again, it's obviously coporate bullshit that they had to put in the trailer to try and retain fans after the terrible reception of TLJ. But you know how that might've been more interesting? Have the first scene be Kylo ruling the galaxy with a petulant, wrathful iron fist - and then Sheev kicks in the throne room doors and says, hey, that's my chair, idiot! Oh no, Kylo has to form an alliance of convenience with Rey! Maybe that's generic but generic is better than a disasterpiece. I probably wouldn't have liked Lucas' original outline or Trevorrow's take on Episode 9, but I'd say they'd both be more interesting. Ultimately, the issue I have with the sequels is - and to use a Plinkett bit here, as is anti-prequel custom - "They can never be undone." Fisher is dead. Ford came back because she's dead. Hamill fundamentally disagreed with what happened to Luke and shares 'what could've been' memes on Twitter. There can never be another ST featuring the original cast. That's all there will be. Three janky-at-best films, a film where Han gets the name Solo because he's alone, and Rogue One... which is maybe the only interesting film but even that has some serious issues. I think Rian Johnson could actually do an interesting Star Wars film. His trilogy could've been good, I think. But, hey, that's dead too.
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Right. Barudak nailed it when he says that what the movie tells and what it shows are two different things., And that's where the unevenness comes from. I feel that if they'd cut the Poe plot they could have fleshed out Finns story a lot better Oh hey, the above post is fantastic and is like a better structured checklist of my issues with the ST. Great post McCloud fucked around with this message at 09:40 on Jun 18, 2020 |
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Milkfred E. Moore posted:Daisy Ridley was great as Rey and I'm even down with Rey as this 'Force vessel' with a ton of raw power. But that kind of character needs to do more than just conquer problems and fail upward. For all the people who talk about how great the sequel trilogy is for being a feminist power story or whatever, they neglect to notice that the film is hardly Rey's story - it's Kylo Ren's. I really struggle to understand the concept that the Sequel Trilogy are Kylo Ren's stories and not Rey's. Their stories are absolutely inexorably linked, at least in TLJ and Rise, and at least somewhat in TFA even if its not as clear or front-and-center as it would become. Rey and Kylo's stuff is 90% of what's redeemable about Rise. I suppose you could argue that Kylo's story can stand on its own without the Rey parts whereas Rey's story can't, but I wouldn't find such an argument very credulous. Their influence on each other is what the whole story is built around, not just her influence on Kylo in a one-sided fashion like Han.
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Sanguinia posted:I suppose you could argue that Kylo's story can stand on its own without the Rey parts whereas Rey's story can't, but I wouldn't find such an argument very credulous. Well, buddy, that's basically how the argument works so not finding it credulous reflects more on that you don't like the result than the process. Rey is a supporting character to Ren's story. She provides some additional context but, ultimately, you could follow Ren for the whole time and have Rey just show up and wreck poo poo as she does from his perspective and lose very little. Hell, it'd probably be more interesting. Who is this girl who shows up and ruins him time and time again? Is she a Skywalker? No, she's just a simple peasant girl and she's ruining your noble bloodline. Following Rey gives us, what, fun parts of TFA and the Luke stuff? Okay it's fun, but it's also the source of some of TLJ's bigger storytellling problems. But then TLJ's problems rest on the setup of TFA, too, so... Sanguinia posted:...and the movie probably would have been significantly better if they'd scrapped it and just had Poe go on a better-written version of the Casino Adventure with Finn and learn his lesson as part of getting betrayed by DJ as a direct result of his impulsive need to DO THINGS. Funnily enough, this was the original take on the story. But Rian Johnson claims that he felt Finn and Poe were too similar and therefore replaced Poe with Rose. Can you imagine how different the film would've been without the weird mutiny subplot? Anyway, another thing I found interesting about Star Wars is how my fiance responded to them. She basically missed out on Star Wars growing up and never actually saw the films before TFA came out, and that was the only one she saw in a cinema. She can't even name the titles and if you ask her to describe any of the films you get a weird mash-up of prequel and original trilogy elements. Then one day, she decided to sit down and watch them all. A New Hope and Empire she felt were great but RotJ wasn't nearly as good. The prequels she thought were overall weird but she liked a lot of their visual designs which I think is what kept her watching. She didn't like TFA or Rogue One, even if the latter had Donnie Yen. She stopped watching Last Jedi during Canto Bight, and she was bewildered by Rise of Skywalker right from the start. Inexplicably, the only film beyond ANH and ESB that she seemed to like as a whole was Solo. Yeah, I don't get it either. Milkfred E. Moore fucked around with this message at 09:43 on Jun 18, 2020 |
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Milkfred E. Moore posted:Inexplicably, the only film beyond ANH and ESB that she seemed to like as a whole was Solo. Yeah, I don't get it either. I think Solo is a pretty underrated film even if I wouldn't call it "great," so I'd probably agree with her, but that's a whole other giant argument I'm sure.
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Sanguinia posted:I think Solo is a pretty underrated film even if I wouldn't call it "great," so I'd probably agree with her, but that's a whole other giant argument I'm sure. Solo has a lot of interesting parts that should've been part of the ST. Droid rights, L3, droid liberation? Chuck that in the sequel trilogy! God knows she'd have been more interesting than BB-8.
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Milkfred E. Moore posted:Solo has a lot of interesting parts that should've been part of the ST. Droid rights, L3, droid liberation? Chuck that in the sequel trilogy! God knows she'd have been more interesting than BB-8. I think of Solo as three really enjoyable short films/episodes rather than a single movie. The whole is less than the sum of its parts, but I love those parts.
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Sanguinia posted:I think of Solo as three really enjoyable short films/episodes rather than a single movie. The whole is less than the sum of its parts, but I love those parts. I sometimes wonder what Solo would have been like if LucasFilm had a modicum of faith in Lord and Miller’s vision for it and didn’t fire them the second it looked like Solo might be developing an actual identity as a film. The fact that they rebounded from it to make Into the Spider-Verse is just beautiful schadenfreude.
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Jun 18, 2020 09:52
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Milkfred E. Moore posted:The prequels she thought were overall weird but she liked a lot of their visual designs which I think is what kept her watching. The prequels just have great designs in general. Like how the Trade Federation has its own visual language that doesn't echo anything from the OT, yet still feels like part of the same universe. Or the fantastic detail that the Jedi star-fighters have elements of the TIE fighters in them; the Jedi are already part of the Imperial machine, they just never noticed. The closest thing to an original design the ST comes up with is "Star Destroyers, but with a bigger gun" or "A casino, but there's aliens there."
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Milkfred E. Moore posted:I think Rian Johnson could actually do an interesting Star Wars film. His trilogy could've been good, I think. But, hey, that's dead too. You just made me realize that I would 100% completely, unironically, love to see a Rian Johnson version of the prequels.
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Angry Salami posted:The closest thing to an original design the ST comes up with is "Star Destroyers, but with a bigger gun" or "A casino, but there's aliens there." The tracking shot establishing the casino is a great scene, even if you recognize what movie it's paying homage to.
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Angry Salami posted:The prequels just have great designs in general. Like how the Trade Federation has its own visual language that doesn't echo anything from the OT, yet still feels like part of the same universe. Or the fantastic detail that the Jedi star-fighters have elements of the TIE fighters in them; the Jedi are already part of the Imperial machine, they just never noticed. I do actually like the design of the new Star Destroyer in TFA. It's weird and asymmetrical and the bare scaffolding/structural bars or whatever evokes a skeleton. It's like a weird, skeletal version of a familiar ship. Sounds about right for the First Order! But just about the rest of the designs suck, vehicle and alien. The Dreadnaught is awful and Snoke's ship is just a squished and widened Executor.
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nine-gear crow posted:I sometimes wonder what Solo would have been like if LucasFilm had a modicum of faith in Lord and Miller’s vision for it and didn’t fire them the second it looked like Solo might be developing an actual identity as a film. The fact that they rebounded from it to make Into the Spider-Verse is just beautiful schadenfreude. I do wonder why that one film was such a drat bugbear for them. Disney has taken at least some degree of risk with Marvel and it produced some of the franchise's best AND most lucrative outings: Winter Soldier, Guardians 1, Black Panther, Thor 3 and Infinity War didn't BREAK the mold exactly but they certainly pushed the envelope a fair bit. Why so nervous with taking risks with Star Wars? Like, they had to have seen Last Jedi as at least a nominally risky film, they let that go through and it made a billion dollars. Why hound Solo so much at the same time that was happening on their Mainline Trilogy Film? Come to think of it, I heard that Rogue One got a lot of late changes and reshoots compared to an original version that was significantly darker. Maybe the fact that they interfered with that movie to make it more "Mainstream Star Wars," and it ALSO made a billion dollars influenced the decision to stick their fingers into Solo's cookpot.
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There was absolutely no risk in Black Panther or infinity war, and the only envelope being pushed was the one with all the money it made for being very much not risky.
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Sanguinia posted:I do wonder why that one film was such a drat bugbear for them. Disney has taken at least some degree of risk with Marvel and it produced some of the franchise's best AND most lucrative outings: Winter Soldier, Guardians 1, Black Panther, Thor 3 and Infinity War didn't BREAK the mold exactly but they certainly pushed the envelope a fair bit. Why so nervous with taking risks with Star Wars? You can quibble about whether "risk" is the right word to describe pouring an extremely lucrative franchise into a slightly different genre container, but the answer to this question is that Disney isn't a monolith, and the Star Wars films have different producers and executive producers. e: Quibbling about whether "risk" is the right word to describe pouring an extremely lucrative franchise into a slightly different genre container would be intensely boring even if this were a thread about Marvel movies, which it isn't. Cease to Hope fucked around with this message at 10:29 on Jun 18, 2020 |
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I believe they interfered with Solo because Lawrence Kasdan felt Lord and Miller weren't respecting the Han Solo character and kicked up a fuss about it.
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McCloud posted:There was absolutely no risk in Black Panther or infinity war, and the only envelope being pushed was the one with all the money it made for being very much not risky. It was a “risk” in the sense that it was surrounded by months and months of thinkpiece speculation of “will mainstream audiences go see a Marvel movie that stars mostly *gasp* BLACK PEOPLE?! Set in *even bigger gasp* AFRICA?!” And of course the answer was a smashing billion dollar “Uh... yes.” Same thing with Captain Marvel and “will mainstream audiences go see a Marvel movie that stars a *gasp* woman?” Again, billion dollar “Yes.”
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Roth posted:If you want to argue about prequels then go to prequeldome  There ain't no Prequeldome and there never was! 
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McCloud posted:There was absolutely no risk in Black Panther or infinity war, and the only envelope being pushed was the one with all the money it made for being very much not risky. I think saying Black Panther's heavily real-world-politics influenced story, Michael B Jordan's portrayal of Killmonger, and the first really mainstream application of the Afro-Futurist aesthetic as the core of the film's art design were all risk-less is kind of an overstatement. Infinity War maybe is a bit of a stretch of me to claim as risky in retrospect, regardless of how surprisingly dark they went with the ending and the whole "Thanos is the de facto protagonist," story structure. Those are only risks if you ascribe to a pretty antiquated underestimation of the Movie Going Public's intelligence. But this isn't a marvel thread so I'll shut up.
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Black Panther took the controversial position that fictional magic Africans are good, while African-Americans are bad.
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Dare I encourage a superhero thread here?
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Milkfred E. Moore posted:I do actually like the design of the new Star Destroyer in TFA. It's weird and asymmetrical and the bare scaffolding/structural bars or whatever evokes a skeleton. It's like a weird, skeletal version of a familiar ship. Sounds about right for the First Order! But just about the rest of the designs suck, vehicle and alien. The Dreadnaught is awful and Snoke's ship is just a squished and widened Executor. Designs/Locations I like in the ST: the TLJ bombers, the busted old speeders in the rebel base, the Super AT-AT's, the salt flat planet, the Starkiller as a location, just all of it (as a vehicle/super weapon not so much), Kylo's broadsword lightsaber, pretty much everything about Luke's exile planet including the green milk seal and the darkside water cave, the Porgs (I don't care how engineered to be toys they are, its loving Star Wars), Snoke's Throneroom and his Royal Guards, Palpatine's Sith Colosseum and his Sith Magi-Science Lab, the big gross riding beast on Rey's planet, TR-8R's Stun Baton thing, Phasma's outfit, the occupied city Poe's ex-girlfriend lived in and her armor, the little droid-repair alien, and the dumb alien horses on the Casino Planet. Also lots of stuff from Solo and Rogue One.
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Starkiller base might have been cool as a moving planet that can just unload an entire planet of military forces after exiting hyperspace
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Roth posted:Dare I encourage a superhero thread here? Be careful - you'd be tangling with a force even more deadly than prequel-hate. 
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josh04 posted:Be careful - you'd be tangling with a force even more deadly than prequel-hate. Trade secret: I joined SA primarily because BSS was one of the only places not tolerating comicsgate, and I wanted to talk about how cool and good Superman is without having to justify why black people should be in comics.
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It is nice that we can discuss TLJ here without the headaches trying to have this conversation anywhere else would entail.
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I'm an sjw boogeyman and will just eject anyone trying to start that up
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Social justice warrior Mod forcing his robust socialist agenda down our throats
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Cease to Hope posted:It is nice that we can discuss TLJ here without the headaches trying to have this conversation anywhere else would entail. Hell, I wouldn't even want to talk about Last Jedi in any other thread on Something Awful. My days posting in CD are not fond memories.
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Roth posted:her* See?! Again with the subversive feminist agenda slapping me in the face!
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More like McTERF
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