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Franchescanado posted:I'm glad you liked it! I think I've rewatched it more than any other movie in the past few years. Such a treat. Sucks that it has a bare bones release because I would love a peak behind the curtain on that production and a commentary. Apparently the divisive response to Spring Breakers taught me nothing because I went to the premiere of Beach Bum and walked out thinking it was going to be a huge hit. I think it's the greatest stoner comedy of all time and it turns out that Harmony Korine still strikes folks the same way he always has.
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Kull the Conqueror posted:Apparently the divisive response to Spring Breakers taught me nothing because I went to the premiere of Beach Bum and walked out thinking it was going to be a huge hit. I think it's the greatest stoner comedy of all time and it turns out that Harmony Korine still strikes folks the same way he always has. I thought it'd be a runaway hit, but it was barely distributed (NEON kinda poo poo the bed on this, and I heard through the grapevine they shifted it's release dates for a lot of indie theaters, so no one knew when they could see it) , and it doesn't get advertised on Hulu. People just don't want to try a hyper-vulgar picaresque stoner tale of hedonism for some reason, unless it has Seth Rogen in it, I guess. Anyway, I will continue to champion how great it is, with the huge caveat that it really isn't for everyone, but if it hits your tastes, it hits hard.
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a shame about Cinemax. It's had some of the best action television in the last 20 years of tv. Strike Back, Quarry, Banshee, Warrior, Jett and The Knick being a great drama. Just great television top to bottom that people should be watching and should've been a lot bigger than they ended up being (Quarry being cancelled after one season is a true crime against television and Warrior only getting two seasons, also a crime).
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Warrior’s second season will be its last? My TV app says it isn’t even airing until October.
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Escobarbarian posted:Warrior’s second season will be its last? My TV app says it isn’t even airing until October. yea it was in production as HBO was making the announcement that Cinemax would be moving away from original programming.
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i will say this, i wouldn't be overly shocked if stuff like Warrior ends up taking a brief hiatus and then showing up on HBO MAX. Cinemax may be moving away from original programming, but it's not like HBO's rights to these shows only allowed them to be aired on Cinemax, and I suspect a lot of why they're doing that to begin with at Cinemax is because HBO MAX is gonna exist.
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Yeah, Cinemax has a lot of really terrific content under its banner but it's gotten so little love from above that not even the Android app has casting capabilities and no Fire or PS4 apps exist so unless I torrent everything or buy Cinemax again through Hulu or Amazon, I have no way to get it on my tv. Really was thinking HBO Max would remedy this because why wouldn't they just throw it in and live fully in the year 2020? But uhhhIsland Nation posted:HBO Zone Savage.
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Kull the Conqueror posted:Apparently the divisive response to Spring Breakers taught me nothing because I went to the premiere of Beach Bum and walked out thinking it was going to be a huge hit. I think it's the greatest stoner comedy of all time and it turns out that Harmony Korine still strikes folks the same way he always has. Franchescanado posted:I thought it'd be a runaway hit, but it was barely distributed (NEON kinda poo poo the bed on this, and I heard through the grapevine they shifted it's release dates for a lot of indie theaters, so no one knew when they could see it) , and it doesn't get advertised on Hulu. People just don't want to try a hyper-vulgar picaresque stoner tale of hedonism for some reason, unless it has Seth Rogen in it, I guess. Here's a different take from someone who's watched all of Korine's stuff and pretty much liked it all; I walked out of The Beach Bum depressed af. Korine is so incredibly smart and sly, and what he slipped to people here is something masquerading aggressively as stoner comedy, but in actuality is brutal political satire. The people depicted in that film are the ones that currently run the world. Korine knows this, and time and again he presents the viewer with scenarios of them getting everything while doing nothing of value, making GBS threads on the poor, burning the world in their wake and getting an honorary degree for it. The Beach Bum is a beautifully shot, wild, and sadistic examination of the psychotic neoliberal market order, where the Branson-esque gangsters of the world feign to empathise with us and are slick enough to have extensive environmental PR campaigns and carbon neutral investment portfolios, yet every breath they take on this earth is a further defilement in our name and on behalf of our species. So I guess what I'm saying is that The Beach Bum was brutally unfunny to me and I would never watch it again. I expect that I'm alone on this because every testimonial I read on it (positive or negative) only ever mentioned how lighthearted, carefree, and quirky it was, lacking in substance and message...and to me the message was a dire prognosis. edit; so I guess I'd say the film is successful BeanpolePeckerwood fucked around with this message at 21:08 on May 27, 2020 |
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BeanpolePeckerwood posted:Here's a different take from someone who's watched all of Korine's stuff and pretty much liked it all; I walked out of The Beach Bum depressed af. Korine is so incredibly smart and sly, and what he slipped to people here is something masquerading aggressively as stoner comedy, but in actuality is brutal political satire. The people depicted in that film are the ones that currently run the world. Korine knows this, and time and again he presents the viewer with scenarios of them getting everything while doing nothing of value, making GBS threads on the poor, burning the world in their wake and getting an honorary degree for it. I completely agree on all these points, and I've mentioned it as such in a few of my write-ups. It's biting satire of hedonism and how money perpetuates the most abhorrent lifestyles and debauchery is what makes it so great, because it makes Moon Dog's actions so appealing on the surface, but really it's why the world is hosed up. And he is a completely miserable person throughout the film. He is creatively bankrupt, he is nostalgic for an era 40 years gone (especially evident in the soundtrack), he is selfish in his romances and ruins the happiness of the people around him, he is destructive to the lives of everyone, he is a disappointment to fans who believe in him, and his money and power fuel the money and power of people even worse than him, and he is greatly rewarded for all of it. But it's also incredibly funny. I don't think it's mutually exclusive in anything it does. In fact, it's so masterful of this, because it handles emotional weight so effortlessly. It goes from funny comedy to sad heartbroken romance to self destructive drama to loneliness to melancholic loss to comedy again in a single scene. The wedding, Moon Dog seeing his wife and Lingerie's affair, Moon Dog realizing his daughter is moving on to a guy he hates, Moon Dog going to the bar to drink away his woes, Moon Dog's wife singing to him, the car accident, Minnie's death, Moon Dog being kicked out of the house; all in the span of 6ish minutes? Incredible. It's absolutely a satirical dark comedy, but it's still a comedy. Korine's just put the acid deeper under the surface of a stoner comedy rather than on the surface like Spring Breakers.
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Franchescanado posted:I completely agree on all these points, and I've mentioned it as such in a few of my write-ups. It's biting satire of hedonism and how money perpetuates the most abhorrent lifestyles and debauchery is what makes it so great, because it makes Moon Dog's actions so appealing on the surface, but really it's why the world is hosed up. And he is a completely miserable person throughout the film. He is creatively bankrupt, he is nostalgic for an era 40 years gone (especially evident in the soundtrack), he is selfish in his romances and ruins the happiness of the people around him, he is destructive to the lives of everyone, he is a disappointment to fans who believe in him, and his money and power fuel the money and power of people even worse than him, and he is greatly rewarded for all of it. Yeah, great post. I guess I didn't watch it in a happy context either. At the time I felt surrounded by people irl and online who saw it as another innocent summer flick and nobody at the time seemed to acknowledge the poo poo that the film was actually saying. Sorry to be a bummer, but it's nice to know I'm not crazy. edit; Like not since Starship Troopers has a film been this misread by all the standard dipshits quote:The Beach Bum somehow manages to be an upbeat, triumphant tale of creativity and free-spiritedness. quote:The Beach Bum is barely a movie; it’s more of a joyous squiggle adorned with a paper cocktail umbrella, a “What did I just see?” dollar-store trinket. But in these dark times, it’s just the ticket.  quote:[McConaughey]’s so entertaining, in fact, that it takes nearly the entirety of “The Beach Bum” to fully absorb how little else there is to the film once the initial high of basking in Moondog’s perma-stoned glory wears off. quote:However, considering who was at the helm, it is not focused enough and winds up with nothing to say. quote:In short, the pursuit of pleasure is not confined to our hero alone but extended to all comers, with a horny democratic good will, and it’s typical of Korine to suggest that, in an era as acrimonious as ours, the true provocation is to harbor no grudges, to forgive us our trespasses, and to drift along, catching the tide of contentment.  BeanpolePeckerwood fucked around with this message at 22:34 on May 27, 2020 |
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BeanpolePeckerwood posted:Yeah, great post. I guess I didn't watch it in a happy context either. At the time I felt surrounded by people irl and online who saw it as another innocent summer flick and nobody at the time seemed to acknowledge the poo poo that the film was actually saying. Sorry to be a bummer, but it's nice to know I'm not crazy. Like I said in an earlier post, I totally know it's not for everybody. But like Starship Troopers and Dr. Strangelove, it's message is bleak and nihilistic, but that's hidden under the veneer of an excellent example of it's genre, in TBB's case a stoner comedy. Doubly ironic, since Moon Dog's perpetual high is a very shallow mask of indulgence. It works on a lot of levels (there's also a pretty strong theme about writer's block that feels genuine to Harmony's own struggles with the writer/filmmaker he used to be vs the writer/filmmaker he is now) and it's why I loved it so much.
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Crosspostin' from the Physical Media thread for Australian Criterion owners:Hedrigall posted:Attention Australian collectors, zavvi.com.au has 2 for $45 on Criterion collection blurays Shipping was $8 to Brisbane, and these are all the UK editions so they're region B.
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https://twitter.com/Criterion/status/1272905953202114561?s=19 September releases Beau Travail The Elephant Man Christ Stopped at Eboli Martin Scorsese's World Cinema Project 3 with Lucia, After the Curfew, Pixote, Dos Monjes, Soleil O, and Downpour Naked City (Blu upgrade) Brute Force (Blu upgrade)
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I'm pretty excited for World Cinema Project Vol. 3. The first two sets were a lot of fun to go through.
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just finished the beach bum. chiming in to say that i too found it dark and nihilistic.
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I come again, hat in hand, and request people to look over the movies leaving on june 30th then tell me what they think I should make sure to watch. I only know a few of these, so don't be afraid to shout out anything, even if it seems obvious.
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Chakan posted:I come again, hat in hand, and request people to look over the movies leaving on june 30th then tell me what they think I should make sure to watch. I only know a few of these, so don't be afraid to shout out anything, even if it seems obvious. Looks like most of the Buñuel is bouncing so I'd rock something like The Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie.
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Chakan posted:I come again, hat in hand, and request people to look over the movies leaving on june 30th then tell me what they think I should make sure to watch. I only know a few of these, so don't be afraid to shout out anything, even if it seems obvious. Well these do seem obvious, but they jumped out at me right away: Mulholland Drive In A Lonely Place Nights of Cambria God Told Me To Dark Star Raging Bull
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Basebf555 posted:Well these do seem obvious, but they jumped out at me right away: God Told Me To rules, such a weird movie. Dark Star does not.
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Chakan posted:I come again, hat in hand, and request people to look over the movies leaving on june 30th then tell me what they think I should make sure to watch. I only know a few of these, so don't be afraid to shout out anything, even if it seems obvious. Mulholland Drive and Raging Bull are the super obvious picks but Nights of Cabiria and In a Lonely Place are fantastic picks too. I would not recommend watching Blind Alley and The Dark Past since they're not particularly good movies but it's an interesting experiment to go through if you wanna see a movie get remade in a near identical way 9 years after it came out. They even use the exact same effects for a flashback sequence!
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Chakan posted:I come again, hat in hand, and request people to look over the movies leaving on june 30th then tell me what they think I should make sure to watch. I only know a few of these, so don't be afraid to shout out anything, even if it seems obvious. I love Baxter, although if you don't like depictions if dog violence you should steer clear. The Preminger movies, Anatomy of a Murder and Bunny Lake is Missing, are more established classics
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Absolutely watch Nights of Cabiria. Great film. I’m due for a rewatch.
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Chakan posted:I come again, hat in hand, and request people to look over the movies leaving on june 30th then tell me what they think I should make sure to watch. I only know a few of these, so don't be afraid to shout out anything, even if it seems obvious. Raging Bull, The Pride of the Yankees, God Told Me To, Death in the Garden, Anatomy of a Murder, The Harder They Fall (underrated Bogart), Mr. Smith Goes to Washington, Mulholland Drive, The Limey (underrated Soderbergh), Sergeant York.
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Cloks posted:God Told Me To rules, such a weird movie. Dark Star does not. Dark Star might be more "important" than actually good but I think it needs to be seen at least once.
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Chakan posted:I come again, hat in hand, and request people to look over the movies leaving on june 30th then tell me what they think I should make sure to watch. I only know a few of these, so don't be afraid to shout out anything, even if it seems obvious. Apart from what’s been mentioned, Phase IV and the big heat
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Dark Star is bizarre and hilarious. Phase IV is trippy. The More the Merrier is a classic screwball comedy. Wadjda is cool and good. And to echo everyone else - Mulholland Dr, Nights of Cabiria, Raging Bull, and Mr Smith Goes to Washington are all essential viewing.
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Absolutely make it a point to see Mulholland Drive before it goes away if you haven’t already. Isn’t June supposed to be the Barnes and Nobel sale month? I’m sure things are tight due to COVID and the general mismanagement of the company by higher ups, but am I mistaken or is that not happening this summer?
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Kart Barfunkel posted:Absolutely make it a point to see Mulholland Drive before it goes away if you haven’t already. It's normally July, but who knows now.
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I watched Mulholland Dr back when it came to the channel in December I think. Otherwise it would be a perfect one for me. Apart from that, I’ll do as many movies from what was recommended as I can, thanks everyone for the suggestions! Whoever noted Oslo, August 31st the last time I did this: thank you, it’s a very good movie.
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Origami Dali posted:It's normally July, but who knows now. Pretty sure last year started in late June because my membership expires in a couple of weeks and I signed up while checking out with the Cassavetes box set and like 4 others. I then went back like twice a week until the sale ended.
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My breakdown... Masterpiece: The Lineup Mulholland Dr. That Obscure Object of Desire The Burglar Nights of Cabiria Very Good: Le quattro volte The Limey The Discreet Charm of the Bourgeoisie In a Lonely Place Dead Reckoning My Name Is Julia Ross Tristana The Sniper The Talk of the Town The More the Merrier Mr. Smith Goes to Washington The Big Heat The Harder They Fall L'age d'or Human Desire Raging Bull Good: Pushover The Devil and Miss Jones Nightfall 5 Against the House You Can't Take It With You The Brothers Rico Johnny O'Clock The Mob Atlantic City Two Friends Drive a Crooked Road Diary of a Chambermaid Anatomy of a Murder Captains Courageous Dark Star Fair: Whirpool Mr. Deeds Goes to Town Foxy Brown Ball of Fire Tight Spot Death in the Garden God Told Me To Affair in Trinidad Shockproof Bad: The Milky Way The Dark Past So Dark the Night The Fountainhead Whew. When I started typing this, I didn't realize there'd be so many. You're welcome.
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The Fountainhead is bad but it's fascinatingly bad. It's got amazing art design and direction by King Vidor, but it's working from a script written by Ayn Rand herself who secured a tight contract that allowed her final approval for even the slightest change of phrasing in the dialogue. Vidor would even hold it over the actors' heads to get them to just get on with scenes: When Gary Cooper would complain about how awful the dialogue is and suggest changes, Vidor would threaten that they need to call Rand and get her to drive down to the studio lot personally to discuss and the prospect of dealing with her was enough to get them to just read the lines as written. If, like me, you're fascinated by ideologically insane storytelling, then it's worth a look.
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FancyMike posted:Death Race 2000 is great, watch that one before it leaves It rules but it's also pretty much always on tubi/pluto
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