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GD_American posted:Maybe expecting a nuanced dialogue respecting all viewpoints is a bit much to ask from a pasty Irish gently caress who was raised on John Wayne and war movies Perhaps, but said gently caress's mouthpiece laying his rant out to a boomer's idea of trans representation, smiling and agreeing in their dutiful role as his token friend who absolves him of all criticism, is exactly what I expected.
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Jun 7, 2020 22:41
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Garth Ennis loving sucks, he’s probably just mad they cut out the wacky rapist bulldog.
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Jun 8, 2020 15:39
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Garth Ennis is actually so cool that huge fans of his work are turning them into awesome, weird TV shows 20 years later. Lots of people like Garth Ennis.
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Jun 8, 2020 15:43
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Shows like The Boys, which takes some concepts, plot points and character designs from the comics and happily discards the rest.
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Jun 8, 2020 15:56
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Bust Rodd posted:Garth Ennis is actually so cool that huge fans of his work are turning them into awesome, weird TV shows 20 years later. Lots of people like Garth Ennis. If they adapt Hitman to a series they'll probably do something stupid like make Nat the Hat a woman.
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Jun 8, 2020 15:57
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Bust Rodd posted:Garth Ennis is actually so cool that huge fans of his work are turning them into awesome, weird TV shows 20 years later. Lots of people like Garth Ennis. Happily they're taking out the gratuitous bits, though. Ennis can do that stuff extremely well in side stories - Preacher: The Good Ole Boys being a case in point - but he keeps putting it in his main storylines to their detriment.
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Jun 8, 2020 16:08
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His Punisher run is supposed to be definitive but I couldn't hang with it.
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Jun 8, 2020 16:19
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zoux posted:His Punisher run is supposed to be definitive but I couldn't hang with it. The first storyline, The Slavers, and Valley Forge, Valley Forge are all you really need to read from the MAX run. Welcome Back, Frank is a good mainstream story as well - it's got that Ennis freakshow thing going on, though.
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Jun 8, 2020 16:32
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Ennis is a lot like Justin Roiland and Dan Harmon. Very good when kept on a leash, but let them wander off on their own for too long and there's gonna be poo poo all over the walls and suddenly everyone's a paedophile.
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Jun 8, 2020 17:15
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I'm old enough to remember when Stephen King was the trope namer for Got Too Big To Edit.
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Jun 9, 2020 16:10
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Megillah Gorilla posted:Ennis is a lot like Justin Roiland and Dan Harmon. I don't wanna know how long he had to be off the leash to write the storyline with Mother's Milk's daughter.
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Jun 9, 2020 23:24
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Blaise330 posted:I don't wanna know how long he had to be off the leash to write the storyline with Mother's Milk's daughter. I am afraid to ask
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Jun 9, 2020 23:30
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Bust Rodd posted:please don't insinuate i'm some kind of racist because Trevor Noah's mealy mouth brand of political commentary isn't 1/10th as engaging as Stuart's. It's more than just the host, the writing room has decided to double down on a particular view of the 2016 election and ran with it in spite of none of it really being funny unless you buy into it.
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Jun 13, 2020 05:27
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IDK how much you can lay at Noah's feet, but the zeitgeist (or at least my personal politics if you think I'm being overbroad) has passed their brand of center of the road succ lib humor behind. The bit where he was wringing his hands about antifa breaking a window pretty much closed the coffin on that show for me.
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Jun 13, 2020 05:46
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Koalas March posted:I am afraid to ask It the comics, she's 12 years old but matured much faster because of M.M.'s compound V exposure. In an effort to make him mad, she went and starred in a porno with her mother. By the end of things she lives, but runs away, because Billy showed up to the porn studio and murdered everyone, including her mother right in front of her
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Jun 19, 2020 13:47
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Jesus loving Christ, I'm so glad I stopped reading the comic after the first couple issues or so.
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Jun 19, 2020 14:31
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The art is, uh..... not kind in its depiction of her, either, iirc
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Jun 19, 2020 15:05
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It's kind of amazing they managed to put together a decent show out of the shitshow that is the comics.
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Jun 19, 2020 18:09
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SardonicTyrant posted:It's kind of amazing they managed to put together a decent show out of the shitshow that is the comics. The comics aren't awful in terms of the overarching plot. Ennis just needs someone to enforce brevity and service to the plot on him, because it's when he's allowed free rein to digress that things go to poo poo.
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Jun 19, 2020 18:23
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I read preacher because every time I'd say Garth Ennis loving sucks and wrote boring, regressive shock jock drivel people would tell me to read preacher and it turns out it's boring, regressive shock jock drivel that sucks also.
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Jun 20, 2020 04:12
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luckily the universe balanced everything out by putting rogen and goldberg on this Earth, for the singular purpose of turning ennis' comic trash into tv gold
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Jun 20, 2020 07:10
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Catfishenfuego posted:I read preacher because every time I'd say Garth Ennis loving sucks and wrote boring, regressive shock jock drivel people would tell me to read preacher and it turns out it's boring, regressive shock jock drivel that sucks also. I never read Preacher (outside of that panel about the white supremacists being chinless gorms lol) but I really liked the show. I imagine that's the best way to experience Ennis. Filtered through producers and screenwriters. Koalas March fucked around with this message at 07:39 on Jun 20, 2020 |
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Jun 20, 2020 07:18
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I'm fairly sure they haven't been trying to set Black Noir up as a Homelander Clone who has gone rogue and is trying to also compel Homelander to go rogue by committing horrific sex crimes and pinning them on the original.
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Jun 20, 2020 07:31
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Catfishenfuego posted:I read preacher because every time I'd say Garth Ennis loving sucks and wrote boring, regressive shock jock drivel people would tell me to read preacher and it turns out it's boring, regressive shock jock drivel that sucks also. Nah, sorry you hate cool stuff that is also fun
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Jun 20, 2020 12:12
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Koalas March posted:I never read Preacher (outside of that panel about the white supremacists being chinless gorms lol) but I really liked the show. I imagine that's the best way to experience Ennis. Filtered through producers and screenwriters. The show is a lot different from the comic (even more than The Boys, I would say); the show is better of course from a "lack of unregulated Ennis" content, but I would say I like the comic's pacing a lot better, at least in the first part. The show is a bit of a slow burner, while the start of the comic is a rapid fire series of "wtf is happening" moments - so you go from "this is set in the normal world" to "this is absurd" super fast, and the effect is almost disorientating, but in a good way. S1 of the show is more or less the first comic I would say? So you have 1 volume of content diluted into 10h of TV. It's still good, but I remember being annoyed by the slower pace at first cause it looked more like filler than world building at times. Imagine if the first act of MiB1 was a 10h long miniseries instead of 30mins of a movie and you would have a good idea of what I'm talking about. That Italian Guy fucked around with this message at 12:43 on Jun 20, 2020 |
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Jun 20, 2020 12:41
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The Preacher show is honestly telling a different story than the books. Preacher (comic) is a deep exploration of mid-90’s Americana taken to its most logical conclusions: racist meat hicks and titties and parasitic blood-sucking immigrants and psychedelic cacti and racist swamp witches and oceans of blood and gore all in the search of meaning that doesn’t exist. It says a lot about journeying, about hope, and about fighting for what’s most important to you. Preacher (show) is a much more personal story and a much more personal journey with far more emotional drive to the story. The show is about Jesse and Cassidy and Tulip as real people, not as caricatures the way they needed to be in the comics. Also the ending is just way too sad for me, if I’m being honest. Well done but sad. Also the show recycles some basic plot beats and a few locales but is otherwise like 80% new material.
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Jun 20, 2020 13:29
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One thing I don't like in the show is how The Boys themselves dont really seem to be much of a driving force. In the comic they were superpowered and could stomp most superheroes easy when caught unawares, the shows version of having them be 4/5 human could potentially create a lot more in the way of fun schemes to compensate for their lack of powers, but it doesnt really go that way at all after Translucent.
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Jun 20, 2020 13:30
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That was actually one of the (many) things that grossed me out about the comics, Butcher just jabbing Hughie out of nowhere with a needle and going,"There I gave you superpowers, now let's go kill those assholes with superpowers!" Hughie is understandably upset and Butcher just completely dismisses his concerns, and from memory the thrust of the comic is that somehow Butcher was in the right to do this incredibly invasive and hypocritical thing with zero warning. I far prefer the way the show handled it, with Hughie being an unexpected if often accidental asset and the rest of the crew's bewildered but happy realization that he's actually pretty useful to have around... and indeed, more useful than Butcher by the end of the first season.
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Jun 20, 2020 13:49
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massive spider posted:One thing I don't like in the show is how The Boys themselves dont really seem to be much of a driving force. In the comic they were superpowered and could stomp most superheroes easy when caught unawares, the shows version of having them be 4/5 human could potentially create a lot more in the way of fun schemes to compensate for their lack of powers, but it doesnt really go that way at all after Translucent. Yeah, I'm also hoping for more "how could a regular person beat Superman?" scenarios in Season 2. The best decision the show creators made after sanding off the comic's 2000s edge was taking away The Boys superpowers.
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Jun 20, 2020 13:52
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Preacher The Show is very different to the comics. I really liked it, particularly the show's anthological approach, though I also thought the show made some really weird moves at times. Usually for the best, but sometimes not so much. At it's best it's a clever, but mean, Tarantino pastiche, with a lot of magical realism and weirdness. At its worst it's an omphaloskeptic mess. (Early Season 4, I'm looking at you). Strong ending though. That Italian Guy posted:Imagine if the first act of MiB1 was a 10h long miniseries instead of 30mins of a movie and you would have a good idea of what I'm talking about. That's a shame, tbh. I thought the first season was definitely the best.
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Jun 20, 2020 14:10
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Open Source Idiom posted:omphaloskeptic What the gently caress
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Jun 20, 2020 14:16
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Bust Rodd posted:What the gently caress to be, or have the qualities of, a navel-gazer It's a dumb little word, particularly since it resembles itself, but I kind of like it. I don't particularly love words, but I reckon everyone's got one weird one up their sleeves, and that's mine haha
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Jun 20, 2020 14:26
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Bust Rodd posted:The overwhelming majority of twitter activists are just white people angry posting from the safety and comfort of their homes though. I don’t think Ennis is talking about BLM or like real effort movements there, he’s talking about Millenial Twitter Dems who still watch The Daily Show because they grew up when it was good but lack the critical thinking skills or any sense of self necessary to recognize it sucks now. Agree.
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Jun 20, 2020 14:50
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Open Source Idiom posted:to be, or have the qualities of, a navel-gazer thats fair, mine is "obsiquious" which means "obedient or attentive to an excessive or servile degree", trade ya!
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Jun 20, 2020 14:53
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Ennis has a few big, excellent ideas and thousands of small, horrible ideas the show is what happens when you almost completely excise the latter
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Jun 20, 2020 16:35
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Bust Rodd posted:Nah, sorry you hate cool stuff that is also fun Sorry you find bigoted, astonishingly hateful trash hilarious and can't spell the word obsequious I guess.
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Jun 20, 2020 17:21
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Koalas March posted:I never read Preacher (outside of that panel about the white supremacists being chinless gorms lol) but I really liked the show. I imagine that's the best way to experience Ennis. Filtered through producers and screenwriters. Millar is the same way. Kickass, Wanted, and Kingsman are unreadable.
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Jun 20, 2020 19:08
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Bust Rodd posted:thats fair, mine is "obsiquious" which means "obedient or attentive to an excessive or servile degree", trade ya! Not to be pedantic, but it's spelled obsequious.
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Jun 20, 2020 20:25
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Humbug Scoolbus posted:Millar is the same way. Kickass, Wanted, and Kingsman are unreadable. Millar made The Unfunnies, which makes me hope that there is a hell just so he can go to it.
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Jun 20, 2020 22:43
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Catfishenfuego posted:Sorry you find bigoted, astonishingly hateful trash hilarious and can't spell the word obsequious I guess. Bigoted and astonishly hateful seem like strong words... On an unrelated note, I ordered an old one-off from a vintage comix distributor based on this thread’s recommendation (saying it was ultra-violence done well) and... uh...it came in today 
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