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Admiral Joeslop posted:Who's the biggest name that started off as absolute bottom tier garbage but eventually became huge? Someone's gotta have gone from David Flair to any WWE headliner level. From a technical standpoint or do you mean jobber to main eventer?
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Lamuella posted:If you mean in terms of quality in the ring, Trish Stratus was absolutely awful when she started. Just the drizzling shits. But she tried hard and got better and eventually became a very good wrestler who could put on main event quality matches when given the chance. This is a good answer. Trish started off as arm candy and was generally awful; she worked her rear end off to improve. Her growth is amazing, considering she didn’t have a deep women’s division to learn from and be carried by. Thinking back, she probably had Luna, Molly, Jazz, and... I’m not sure who else. Maybe Tori and Ivory?
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Jun 20, 2020 19:43
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Trish got to an average level of ability, she wasn't ever "very good". All the very good women were in Japan at the time.
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Jun 20, 2020 19:47
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Rusty Shackelford posted:From a technical standpoint or do you mean jobber to main eventer? In actual technical ability to wrestle. There have been lots of people that can't wrestle who are able to fake it enough to make it to the top. Trish is a good answer!
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Jun 20, 2020 19:49
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Randaconda posted:Trish got to an average level of ability, she wasn't ever "very good". All the very good women were in Japan at the time. For a “division” centered around bra and panties matches, Trish became very good. Compared to Japan or current women, she’s average, but you have to consider where she started, and the environment at the time. Considering she had no incentive to improve in the ring if she could just do T&A gimmick matches, her work is fantastic.
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Jun 20, 2020 19:53
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nah, she was just average, just made to look better by bad opponents. That doesn't make her great.
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Jun 20, 2020 19:58
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Randaconda posted:nah, she was just average, just made to look better by bad opponents. That doesn't make her great. Agree to disagree, but I think someone whose resume was bikini model previous to wrestling deserves some credit for their work when it wasn’t required. That said, I do wonder if Owen Hart would be a reasonable person for this question, given where he started.
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Jun 20, 2020 20:04
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I am giving her credit! Going from terrible to perfectly fine is a nice accomplishment, I'm just not gonna say she's great, because she wasn't.
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Jun 20, 2020 20:06
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Owen's career kinda fell off the end, so it's hard to judge (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Jun 20, 2020 20:06
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Admiral Joeslop posted:Who's the biggest name that started off as absolute bottom tier garbage but eventually became huge? Someone's gotta have gone from David Flair to any WWE headliner level. The Rock going from getting "die Rocky die" chants to being one of the biggest stars in the entire history of the sport
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Jun 20, 2020 20:07
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Randaconda posted:I am giving her credit! Going from terrible to perfectly fine is a nice accomplishment, I'm just not gonna say she's great, because she wasn't. Ha! Fair enough.
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Jun 20, 2020 20:07
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Purple Monkey posted:The Rock going from getting "die Rocky die" chants to being one of the biggest stars in the entire history of the sport Going back, the "die Rocky die" thing is overstated. The crowds turned on Cena and especially Reigns much worse
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Jun 20, 2020 20:07
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Purple Monkey posted:The Rock going from getting "die Rocky die" chants to being one of the biggest stars in the entire history of the sport Yeahhh, but - Vince was going to repackage and repush Rocky every 6 months until he got over.
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Jun 20, 2020 20:08
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Red posted:Yeahhh, but - Vince was going to repackage and repush Rocky every 6 months until he got over. He should have repackaged Reigns, instead of killing off the entire main event scene for his failed push, which the effects can still be seen today
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Jun 20, 2020 20:10
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go the gently caress away
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Jun 20, 2020 20:16
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Randaconda posted:Trish got to an average level of ability, she wasn't ever "very good". All the very good women were in Japan at the time. For early to mid 2000s WWE she was very good. And that's the context she was in. No point comparing her to Manami Toyota when Manami Toyota wasn't there.
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Jun 20, 2020 20:25
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Lamuella posted:For early to mid 2000s WWE she was very good. And that's the context she was in. No point comparing her to Manami Toyota when Manami Toyota wasn't there. They were in the same industry, so they are easily comparable.
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Jun 20, 2020 20:32
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Admiral Joeslop posted:Who's the biggest name that started off as absolute bottom tier garbage but eventually became huge? Someone's gotta have gone from David Flair to any WWE headliner level. If reports are correct Nigel McGuinness was one if the worst wrestlers anyone had ever seen for his first few years. Like below jobber level.
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Admiral Joeslop posted:Who's the biggest name that started off as absolute bottom tier garbage but eventually became huge? Someone's gotta have gone from David Flair to any WWE headliner level. Strowman. His first year on the main roster was ROUGH.
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Lid posted:If reports are correct Nigel McGuinness was one if the worst wrestlers anyone had ever seen for his first few years. Like below jobber level. People legit claimed he was the most improved wrestler of all time.
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Jun 20, 2020 20:45
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Also, Jeff Hardy started out as an underage jobber and made it pretty far
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Jun 20, 2020 20:46
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Alaois posted:go the gently caress away are you talking to me?
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Admiral Joeslop posted:Who's the biggest name that started off as absolute bottom tier garbage but eventually became huge? Someone's gotta have gone from David Flair to any WWE headliner level. Nigel McGuinness was really awful when he started and ended up as one of the best wrestlers on Earth. It wasn't even that gradual, he was just bad for a few years, then fine but really boring and then suddenly he's just the best.
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Jun 20, 2020 20:48
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Cavauro posted:are you talking to me? i think it was to me
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Jun 20, 2020 20:52
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Dustin Rhodes got REALLY good after a couple of rough years with some weirdly unrealistic expectations. Cody absolutely wasn't ready for WWE tv when he got called by his own admission and has gotten good, he just needs some restraint when booking himself (like father like son I guess) Apparently Samoa Joe was the drizzling shits in his first few years but improved greatly once UPW started booking him. Chris Hero was every complaint you've ever heard about the bad habits of overindulgent indy workers and became an absolutely fantastic wrestler. One of the reasons Miz was briefly a darling of this sub forum was going from embarrassingly lovely to passable in the ring while becoming strong on the mic. He's still not great, and god help you if you call a spot where you dive on him, but I'd trust him to walk a greenhorn through a match. Chris Masters is also a great example of "Called up before he was ready, but persevered and improved" to the point where CM Punk, one of the most miserable pricks in the business when it comes to assessing his peers (and in general), singled him out for praise when cutting down John Lauranitis for the way WWE discards talent haphazardly.
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Jun 20, 2020 21:24
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yeah, Chris Masters was way better when he came back, Trips buried him about being way smaller, then welp
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Jun 20, 2020 21:29
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Any excuse to post this pic of the Korakuen Hall stairway, which is all graffitied up. While I was snapping the shot a scottish guy looked at me, looked at it and laughed "well, THAT's not ever happening"
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Sami Zayn has come a long way from his early IWS stuff, can't imagine how rough his rural quebec/mcfly stuff was. Joey Janela is another one, you can find his first match on youtube.
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Jun 20, 2020 22:25
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Mark Henry has to be considered.
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big daddy yum yum
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everyone knows ric flair sucked and tried to be a dusty rhodes ripoff until 1974 so that's a good one to say. You can say it
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I know "Roman Reigns is a good wrestler" isn't a popular opinion, but even at his dumbest booking he's a million times better than when he was Leakee in FCW.
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Davros1 posted:Mark Henry has to be considered. Yeah but some of the others mentioned went from a 1 to a 9-10 whereas Mark Henry went from 1 to like 4.
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Benne posted:I know "Roman Reigns is a good wrestler" isn't a popular opinion, but even at his dumbest booking he's a million times better than when he was Leakee in FCW. Reigns is a good wrestler, no one will admit it here but even his last man standing with Corbin was awesome, especially when the Usos got involved. He's purely WWE style and if you think it's impossible for that to be good than you wouldn't like him but if you think the style works sometimes he's one of the best at it to ever do it in my opinion.
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Jun 21, 2020 08:08
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Reigns is a very good wrestler
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being a bit facetious, doesn't basically every wrestler who is any good get better between their first appearances and their prime?
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Roman Reigns is a perfectly good wrestler who could be one of the biggest stars in the business were it not for WWE loving him up over and over again.
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Cerebral Bore posted:Roman Reigns is a perfectly good wrestler who could be one of the biggest stars in the business were it not for WWE loving him up over and over again. Roman is legit really loving good when they play to his strengths as a no-nonsense badass who's not afraid to work stiff (his matches with Styles and Bryan are a great example of this -- even the first match with Brock, where he got dumped on his head a dozen times and came up laughing and bleeding from the mouth, made him look cool as gently caress). So of course WWE makes him work like a WWE Top Babyface, where you gotta sell for like 90% of the match before hitting 2 moves and winning, and that formula is where he suffers. In a better universe he fucks off from that company and goes in the G1 to slap beef with Ishii/Shingo/Goto. Benne fucked around with this message at 10:19 on Jun 21, 2020 |
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Reigns has never done much of anything for me except as a tag wrestler but he's also "WWE Style" personified and I HATE "WWE Style" so whatcha gonna do? I think the same goes for Trish Stratus. To say she was "great" has always struck me as a silly exaggeration from a broader perspective. To deny that she greatly improved from where she started would be an insult to her. It usually comes down to "she was great for the WWE Style of the time" which might well be true but is a large caveat for a lot of people. ESPECIALLY in the case of "Divas wrestling".
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STAC Goat posted:Reigns has never done much of anything for me except as a tag wrestler but he's also "WWE Style" personified and I HATE "WWE Style" so whatcha gonna do? I was saying that earlier, but I was informed she was the HBK of women's wrestling.
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