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Speaking of Ennis and adaptations, wasn't Crossed supposed to become a TV show at one point? I can't imagine that working, even for HBO or Amazon.
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Bust Rodd posted:Bigoted and astonishly hateful seem like strong words... Well, if you can figure out exactly which 80s action movie it's a parody of, please do tell.
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Jun 21, 2020 00:47
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I wonder if theres any comic book purist that's insanely pissed at EVERYTHING the show changed "What, Starlight only got told to suck ONE dick to keep her job? WTF IS THIS WEAK rear end poo poo!? If they cut out M.M.'s daughter too I'm walkin"
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Jun 21, 2020 10:10
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Ennis' greatest attribute is getting America completely wrong, yet also 100% right.
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Jun 21, 2020 10:12
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Blaise330 posted:I wonder if theres any comic book purist that's insanely pissed at EVERYTHING the show changed There are.
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Jun 21, 2020 10:52
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Jedit posted:The comics aren't awful in terms of the overarching plot. Ennis just needs someone to enforce brevity and service to the plot on him, because it's when he's allowed free rein to digress that things go to poo poo. That also means that when you have a mute character like La Femme, well, obviously you're not going to get a lot of mileage out of her. In the books she's pretty much defined by Frenchie, who's a very unreliable narrator. (As witnessed by his telling of his own origin, which - sadly - I'm 100% sure won't make it into the show, as it has gently caress-all to do with superheroes). They've fleshed her out a bit in the show, which is all for the better. Frenchies telling of her origin is basically him riffing on Aliens and Asterix and blubbering over how misunderstood this little girl is - who BTW likes to pull peoples faces off. Not much to misunderstand there. Anyway, the basic concept of superheroes being celebrities and therefore terrible people is sound, which is why it got tagged for an Amazon show. I'm still dubious about the Billy/Becca plotline in the show, but I assume season 2 will settle that one way or the other.
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Jun 21, 2020 10:58
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Swollen Member posted:That also means that when you have a mute character like La Femme, well, obviously you're not going to get a lot of mileage out of her. In the books she's pretty much defined by Frenchie, who's a very unreliable narrator. (As witnessed by his telling of his own origin, which - sadly - I'm 100% sure won't make it into the show, as it has gently caress-all to do with superheroes). They've fleshed her out a bit in the show, which is all for the better. Frenchies telling of her origin is basically him riffing on Aliens and Asterix and blubbering over how misunderstood this little girl is - who BTW likes to pull peoples faces off. Not much to misunderstand there. In the comics Frenchie is explicitly lying about everything when it comes to the past. It's a meta-commentary about superheroes and origin stories; Hughie feels like he needs to know, so Frenchie tells him something to keep him happy. But the real Frenchie and the Female only come out when the two of them are alone together, most notably in issue 21 where he catches the Female on one of her hit jobs. He says this: "I know it is not for the money. I know it is because you cannot ... not. You think this way is not so bad, because only bad men suffer. But it is not so simple. It keeps a terrible thing alive. [...] And it is bad for you, to do it for no reason. For your heart." And then he buys her off with a bag of chocolate limes. That scene basically sums up everything about the two of them. Frenchie met a horribly damaged person and his heart went out to her, and he's been trying to mend her ever since. The crazy games he plays with her like reverse strip poker aren't because he's crazy like Butcher thinks. It's a deliberate reverse of the relationship between Leon and Matilda in that movie; he's trying to give her childish things to replace the childhood she didn't have. But the other is more memorable, so that's what people take from it.
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Jun 21, 2020 14:03
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My take on that is slightly different, but probably not so different it's worth arguing about. FWIW, I don't believe anything Frenchie tells us in the books, and that includes the story where Billy and he went to Tokio to pick up La Femme from the sewers of a chemical zaibatzu. That thing you quote from ish 21is IMO all Frenchie POV and therefore highly suspect. By that I don't mean that it didn't happen in the story, but rather that Frenchie will project any old story onto the target of his affection, La femme. Potatoes, potatoes. Edit: Writing this, I also realize that Frenchie is a much better character in the show. He's not off-puttingly weird, just slightly loopy. The way they've presented his and La Femme's strange relationship is much more sympathetic, not to mention, a lot less creepy than in the books. Swollen Member fucked around with this message at 14:23 on Jun 21, 2020 |
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Jun 21, 2020 14:15
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I will miss his ultra-French origin story, though. That was one of the better bits from the comics.
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Jun 21, 2020 16:51
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GD_American posted:I will miss his ultra-French origin story, though. That was one of the better bits from the comics. Agreed, the villainous Black Pierre and the tragic death by croissant of Frenchie's dad really underscored that perhaps our Frenchie isn't completely over his FFL-induced PTSD. It would be fun to see how the showrunners would handle that crazy story. But I'm guessing that we won't see that particular arc, nor Herogasm or Love Sausage. 
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Jun 21, 2020 17:24
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I never could figure out if all the terrible French was part of the character or Ennis not bothering to learn any french.
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Jun 21, 2020 18:17
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:I never could figure out if all the terrible French was part of the character or Ennis not bothering to learn any french. It's deliberate. As per his false origin story, he's from a place called Franglais. Let's Parler Franglais is a famous series of humourous articles about speaking a bastardised mishmash where you say the French words you know in a British accent and use English for the rest. For example, Let's Parler Franglais Again! begins thus: LESSON UN: LE SAILING Capitaine: Welcome aboard, vieux chap! C'est votre premiere visit dans un boat?
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Jun 21, 2020 18:46
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Swollen Member posted:Agreed, the villainous Black Pierre and the tragic death by croissant of Frenchie's dad really underscored that perhaps our Frenchie isn't completely over his FFL-induced PTSD. It would be fun to see how the showrunners would handle that crazy story. But I'm guessing that we won't see that particular arc, nor Herogasm or Love Sausage. Pretty sure they said they'd be touching on Herogasm at least, though I doubt it will be quite as hosed up as it was in the comics.
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Jun 21, 2020 22:43
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Chairman Capone posted:Speaking of Ennis and adaptations, wasn't Crossed supposed to become a TV show at one point? I can't imagine that working, even for HBO or Amazon. I thought it was in talks to be made into a movie not long after it came out, but I think that fizzled out altogether. I'm not sure it the Walking Dead being a hit when the first season came out had anything to do with it getting shelved.
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Jun 21, 2020 22:47
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I don't remember this particular version of this being posted: https://i.imgur.com/mi8yJxT.mp4 It's my favorite one and apologies if it's a repost.
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Jun 22, 2020 02:36
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Zazz Razzamatazz posted:I don't remember this particular version of this being posted: Starr's facial expressions are so drat good like even that still photo of him in Vought headquarters that he's X-ray visioning through. It looks like he's wearing a human suit
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Jun 22, 2020 03:03
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The Preacher talk made me gave the tv series a go, and it's alright. I love how Jesse and Cassidy almost immediately become friends because they're losers on the same wavelength Edit: For fucks sake, when Jesse discovers his god power the two of them give excited "WOOOOOAH"s SardonicTyrant fucked around with this message at 04:07 on Jun 22, 2020 |
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Jun 22, 2020 03:12
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Zazz Razzamatazz posted:I don't remember this particular version of this being posted: lmao. It's classic
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Jun 22, 2020 05:35
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SardonicTyrant posted:The Preacher talk made me gave the tv series a go, and it's alright. I love how Jesse and Cassidy almost immediately become friends because they're losers on the same wavelength Legit my favorite showcase of the power but also limitations of The Word in that TV series is the following: Jesse: SING ME SOME JOHNNY CASH Cassidy: ♪ me some Johnny Cash! ♪ And they're both so tickled pink by it 
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Jun 22, 2020 09:24
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Jerusalem posted:Legit my favorite showcase of the power but also limitations of The Word in that TV series is the following: The only bad thing about Cassidy is Gilgun's Irish accent. The funny thing is, Ruth Negga is Irish and plays an American character right next to him and she's excellent.
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Jun 22, 2020 10:16
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SardonicTyrant posted:The Preacher talk made me gave the tv series a go, and it's alright. I love how Jesse and Cassidy almost immediately become friends because they're losers on the same wavelength Season 2 dips in quality but stick with it because season 4 is just incredible and they stuck the landing so loving well They changed a fair bit from how the comic ends, and it's all way better than the comic
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Jun 22, 2020 12:02
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That Italian Guy posted:The only bad thing about Cassidy is Gilgun's Irish accent. The funny thing is, Ruth Negga is Irish and plays an American character right next to him and she's excellent. All 3 of the main characters and all 3 of the main villains (Starr, Hitler, and Saint) doing ridiculous accents is part of the show’s incredible charm. Ruth’s accent is at least as offensive to Americans as Cassidy’s is to the Irish, both are clearly hyper exaggerations of what the other culture thinks they sound like. gently caress I was gonna start DEVS this week but I might rewatch Preacher when I’m done that sex-party fight scene is so amazing, up there with the Old-Boy hallway and the Daredevil single-shot. I also recently watched an old promo interview where Dominic goes on some UK show to promote Preacher with Graham MacTavish and he tells a story about how it was only a few years ago that he was too poor to afford underwear. The other guest is a lesbian comedian and she starts cracking up going “oh well you really need those with all that don’t ya!” and she goes on to tell the audience how she accidentally walked in on him changing before the show and he has a huge dick. UK television is awesome. Bust Rodd fucked around with this message at 13:13 on Jun 22, 2020 |
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Jun 22, 2020 13:10
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Yeah I love Ruth Negga but her default American accent is reeeeeally over the top "well hoot an holler giddyup cheeseburger assault rifle yeehaw!" Jesse also talks that way but slightly more subtly If you like Joe Gilgun you gotta watch This Is England
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Jun 22, 2020 13:15
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seaborgium posted:Pretty sure they said they'd be touching on Herogasm at least, though I doubt it will be quite as hosed up as it was in the comics. IIRC, it did introduce more supers, some of whom would pop up later -Stormfront and Soldier Boy to name a few. And it did deepen the corporate intrigue a bit, but the main thing I took away from Herogasm was that The Boys got a spy inside the president's security squad.
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Jun 22, 2020 13:15
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I read The Boys as it was being released and after the super horny villainess blows herself up by jacking off with a stick of dynamite I think was like “this sucks I’m buying Hellboy next week instead” and never went back. Some of these ideas sound so hosed and gross I WOULD like to read them for myself. Does the Boys have a large anthology or should I just bargain hunt for trades?
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Jun 22, 2020 13:25
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Bust Rodd posted:Some of these ideas sound so hosed and gross I WOULD like to read them for myself. Does the Boys have a large anthology or should I just bargain hunt for trades? You really shouldn't and Herogasm is peak Ennis. We really don't need it at all - nor that I think the show would go that way in any case, the sleazy night club in s1ep1(?) was enough to show that supes have secret vice enclaves and that they are hedonistic shits.
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Jun 22, 2020 13:32
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That Italian Guy posted:You really shouldn't and Herogasm is peak Ennis. We really don't need it at all - nor that I think the show would go that way in any case, the sleazy night club in s1ep1(?) was enough to show that supes have secret vice enclaves and that they are hedonistic shits. Herogasm should have been one issue in the main run. It didn't need its own loving miniseries.
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Jun 22, 2020 13:34
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Jedit posted:Herogasm should have been one issue in the main run. It didn't need its own loving miniseries. Yeah almost nothing of importance happens in it (that it couldn't have happened in a different way). It's just Ennis's masturbatory (eheh) list of "let's really think hard about what hosed up super fetishists would get into" things.
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Jun 22, 2020 13:37
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I like Ennis! I am a big Ennis fan! I want more Ennis is my life! Black Ennis, gross Ennis, dark Ennis, I just need as much Ennis as I’m allowed to have! (Gosh I hope his name is pronounced the way I think it is)
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Jun 22, 2020 13:41
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I like some of his stuff - Preacher, Battlefields, My War Gone By, and of course The Boys. He's certainly a bit of an edgelord, but I can live with that.
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Jun 22, 2020 14:20
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Bust Rodd posted:I like Ennis! I am a big Ennis fan! I want more Ennis is my life! Black Ennis, gross Ennis, dark Ennis, I just need as much Ennis as I’m allowed to have! I've always pronounced it to rhyme with Tennis. No idea if that's the right way though.
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Jun 22, 2020 15:36
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AFewBricksShy posted:I've always pronounced it to rhyme with Tennis. No idea if that's the right way though. It's similar to that, but the sound is a bit more closed. Something like In-nus. ("I" like in Indiana and the "u" is mostly silent in a "NN" sound). In-ns. That Italian Guy fucked around with this message at 15:55 on Jun 22, 2020 |
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Jun 22, 2020 15:53
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It's easy to do an American accent, just pull anything out of your rear end including not changing your accent and you're spot on for somewhere
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Jun 22, 2020 19:21
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The thing that always gives away British actors trying American accents is how hard they punch our rhotic R. Charlie Hunnam is really bad about this.
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Jun 22, 2020 20:18
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As someone who followed and read the comics, the show is way better especially with dialogue and stuff. Went back and tried to read it again after many years and finishing S1, man alive is a lot of the writing terrible. Oh and hot take, both the leads in Preacher are really bad, but all the supporting cast are pitch perfect.
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Jun 22, 2020 20:52
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I’d never seen Dominic Cummings in anything before but I loved his take on Jesse and only really watched because of him.
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Jun 22, 2020 21:01
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Bust Rodd posted:I’d never seen Dominic Cummings in anything before but I loved his take on Jesse and only really watched because of him. *snort* Dominic Cummings is the advisor to British PM-in-name-only Boris Johnson. You're thinking of Dominic Cooper, who plays Howard Stark in the MCU. If you haven't seen him in anything before, I recommend The Devil's Double, in which he plays Uday Hussein and Hussein's body double.
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Jun 22, 2020 21:12
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Listening to Jesse's big sermon in S1: "Folk afraid to hug each other on account of some new disease"  well that was prophetic.
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Jun 22, 2020 22:42
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Jedit posted:*snort* He was also pretty good in Fleming: The Man Who Would Be Bond.
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Zazz Razzamatazz posted:I don't remember this particular version of this being posted:
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