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SimonChris
Apr 24, 2008

The Baron's daughter is missing, and you are the man to find her. No problem. With your inexhaustible arsenal of hard-boiled similes, there is nothing you can't handle.
Grimey Drawer
https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3928980

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edogawa rando
Mar 20, 2007

I think my mass effect is broken

Ghost Leviathan posted:

Porn industry has some lovely attitudes about sexuality and consent, surprise surprise

Which reminds me, I'm guessing nothing ever came of the whole thing with James Deen?

DrVenkman
Dec 28, 2005

I think he can hear you, Ray.

Vagabundo posted:

Which reminds me, I'm guessing nothing ever came of the whole thing with James Deen?

Not really no. He was accused, he denied it and then carried on working.

DrVenkman
Dec 28, 2005

I think he can hear you, Ray.
So this is quite the thread

https://twitter.com/elijahdaniel/status/1275786222485377024?s=19

Snowman_McK
Jan 31, 2010

DrVenkman posted:

Not really no. He was accused, he denied it and then carried on working.

he'd shifted away from mainstream sites and mostly did stuff on his own website with newcomers to the industry in faux casting scenes that worked hard to feel verite. You don't need the industry to do that poo poo.

DrVenkman
Dec 28, 2005

I think he can hear you, Ray.

Snowman_McK posted:

he'd shifted away from mainstream sites and mostly did stuff on his own website with newcomers to the industry in faux casting scenes that worked hard to feel verite. You don't need the industry to do that poo poo.

Yeah I guess that's the thing now isn't it. No one is signing contracts to Vivid anymore. If you're a name and you have a camera and editor then you're in luck.

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...
there's a ton of streamers/esports people being called out but it's honestly kind of impossible to follow them all

https://twitter.com/DEADLINE/status/1276415537388519426?s=20

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

Alan Smithee posted:

there's a ton of streamers/esports people being called out but it's honestly kind of impossible to follow them all

https://twitter.com/DEADLINE/status/1276415537388519426?s=20

eSports shockingly in the running to be as or more toxic to their female members then real sports. "Streaming is a real sport!" lol you sure proved that this time.

I thought there were aslo Twitch employees caught out using their access and ability to harass female twitch streamers or covering up for big names who bring in tons of revenue.

John Wick of Dogs
Mar 4, 2017

A real hellraiser


I've heard a ton of bad poo poo about things that happen at Smash Bros tournaments but all that is basically scattered on various forums

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

John Wick of Dogs posted:

I've heard a ton of bad poo poo about things that happen at Smash Bros tournaments but all that is basically scattered on various forums

I'm pretty sure it took more then a few repeated occurrences of some players screaming "I'm going to loving rape you whore" at female players during matches before anyone bothered to do anything about it.

Smash is notorious for the fundamental failings of members of its communities at gatherings/tournaments in terms of basic hygiene and behavior, there's even a massive East/West split over the agreed upon rules for the game that generates insane vitriol towards people and like most male dominated professions any female players/members get the worst of it. I think at one point they had to have spotters/watchers stationed around the female players because guys would keep openly harassing them or groping them and this wasn't like the one creep in a crowded room people turn on it was just "the way things are"

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
There was that famous story of a pro Smash player who a fan put up for the night and he shat the bed.

It's possibly like the reputation Yugioh has for awful players in comparison with Pokemon TCG and MtG. It's big enough to attract a lot of players but doesn't have the existing infrastructure or enough professionalism to deal with bad behaviour properly.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!

Ghost Leviathan posted:

There was that famous story of a pro Smash player who a fan put up for the night and he shat the bed.

It's possibly like the reputation Yugioh has for awful players in comparison with Pokemon TCG and MtG. It's big enough to attract a lot of players but doesn't have the existing infrastructure or enough professionalism to deal with bad behaviour properly.

I had to institute hygiene bans during FNM because certain players would show up and use their stink as a tactical advantage.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


Ghost Leviathan posted:

There was that famous story of a pro Smash player who a fan put up for the night and he shat the bed.

It's possibly like the reputation Yugioh has for awful players in comparison with Pokemon TCG and MtG. It's big enough to attract a lot of players but doesn't have the existing infrastructure or enough professionalism to deal with bad behaviour properly.

Gotta be mew2king.

Desperado Bones
Aug 29, 2009

Cute, adorable, and creepy at the same time!


Alan Smithee posted:

there's a ton of streamers/esports people being called out but it's honestly kind of impossible to follow them all

https://twitter.com/DEADLINE/status/1276415537388519426?s=20

I woke up to see a Twitch/WoW call out in my Twitter. It's some streamer that was in Method (And it seems the people in method knew but didn't do a thing for a couple of years). And it's gross. loving gross. The guy is monster. And some idiots keeps saying "I thought he was acting this whole time~~~"

https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/hfc0ja/poopernoodle_speaks_out_about_what_happened/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x

thrawn527
Mar 27, 2004

Thrawn/Pellaeon
Studying the art of terrorists
To keep you safe

Rhyno posted:

I had to institute hygiene bans during FNM because certain players would show up and use their stink as a tactical advantage.

I don't know what FNM is, but this sounds...horrifying.

Tuxedo Catfish
Mar 17, 2007

You've got guts! Come to my village, I'll buy you lunch.

thrawn527 posted:

I don't know what FNM is, but this sounds...horrifying.

Friday Night Magic. Officially sanctioned local tournaments for MTG, basically.

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

Desperado Bones posted:

I woke up to see a Twitch/WoW call out in my Twitter. It's some streamer that was in Method (And it seems the people in method knew but didn't do a thing for a couple of years). And it's gross. loving gross. The guy is monster. And some idiots keeps saying "I thought he was acting this whole time~~~"

https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/hfc0ja/poopernoodle_speaks_out_about_what_happened/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x

Turns out the real monsters are the ones saying "yeah, no I am a monster the FBI would arrest me if they could see certain folders on my computer this is not a joke"

thrawn527
Mar 27, 2004

Thrawn/Pellaeon
Studying the art of terrorists
To keep you safe

Tuxedo Catfish posted:

Friday Night Magic. Officially sanctioned local tournaments for MTG, basically.

Ah, yeah, not too surprising then. A friend of mine was getting his 13 year old daughter into MTG. Said she was getting really good at it, to the point where she was kicking his rear end. He used to compete in local tournaments many many years ago, so he thought it would be fun to bring her around to some and have her compete now that she had gotten good. Said he realizes now that was a massive mistake. A bunch of dudes who were huge assholes were just the biggest dicks to her, made her feel like poo poo. He chewed them the gently caress out and took her out of there. Didn't seem like the best community.

This is in the Orlando area. No idea what it's like elsewhere.

Tuxedo Catfish
Mar 17, 2007

You've got guts! Come to my village, I'll buy you lunch.
I played competitive magic as a teenager and while I have some nostalgia for it, it's mostly horror stories; lots of adults coming into the store to try to scalp kids in the card trading economy, sketchy bracket seeding / favoritism, and so on. And that's before you even get to the sexism.

Wizards of the Coast is also an astonishingly lovely company from top to bottom and you shouldn't support them if you can help it.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Rhyno posted:

I had to institute hygiene bans during FNM because certain players would show up and use their stink as a tactical advantage.

Ah, the Bacterian strategy.

Air Skwirl
May 13, 2007

Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed shitposting.
When I was that age my dad had to start taking me to magic tournaments because too many men were being gross to my mom when she'd take me.

This was at the official WotC game place in Seattle (that I think no longer exists).

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!
We also had a young kid who's single mother would bring him and good God those fucks were disgusting in her presence.

Vintersorg
Mar 3, 2004

President of
the Brendan Fraser
Fan Club



Desperado Bones posted:

I woke up to see a Twitch/WoW call out in my Twitter. It's some streamer that was in Method (And it seems the people in method knew but didn't do a thing for a couple of years). And it's gross. loving gross. The guy is monster. And some idiots keeps saying "I thought he was acting this whole time~~~"

https://www.reddit.com/r/LivestreamFail/comments/hfc0ja/poopernoodle_speaks_out_about_what_happened/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x

This is the fall of Method - gently caress em all protecting that piece of poo poo JOSH

nonathlon
Jul 9, 2004
And yet, somehow, now it's my fault ...

Rhyno posted:

I had to institute hygiene bans during FNM because certain players would show up and use their stink as a tactical advantage.

I was at a science fiction convention, where the organisers gently suggested people follow the 5-2-1 rule: get at least 5 hours of sleep a night, eat at least twice a day, wash at least once a day.

Massive backlash. People accused them of being ableist, trying to control people, trying to reduce con expenses, "if I want to stay up the whole con, that's what imma gonna do", "I'm too poor to eat twice a day" ...

Macdeo Lurjtux
Jul 5, 2011

BRRREADSTOOORRM!

Vintersorg posted:

This is the fall of Method - gently caress em all protecting that piece of poo poo JOSH

Is that the same guy that was banned from Twitch and so they had to jump through a ton of hoops and back channel stuff to involve him in their Mythic race coverage?

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

nonathlon posted:

I was at a science fiction convention, where the organisers gently suggested people follow the 5-2-1 rule: get at least 5 hours of sleep a night, eat at least twice a day, wash at least once a day.

Massive backlash. People accused them of being ableist, trying to control people, trying to reduce con expenses, "if I want to stay up the whole con, that's what imma gonna do", "I'm too poor to eat twice a day" ...

Conventions are infamous for all the behaviour you'd expect from a large social event for people who don't go to social events, and then some. See also how they had to ban glomping and yaoi paddles.

Vintersorg
Mar 3, 2004

President of
the Brendan Fraser
Fan Club



Macdeo Lurjtux posted:

Is that the same guy that was banned from Twitch and so they had to jump through a ton of hoops and back channel stuff to involve him in their Mythic race coverage?

Exact same guy - he groomed young women too and there's tons of evidence of it. ALL parties in Method are guilty as they knew what kind of person he was but "he put up good numbers" so they kept going cause it made them all tons of money via streaming and sponsorship's.

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012

Ghost Leviathan posted:

Conventions are infamous for all the behaviour you'd expect from a large social event for people who don't go to social events, and then some. See also how they had to ban glomping and yaoi paddles.

When dashcon started falling apart on the first night, they passed a bag and filled it with cash to "pay the hotel" and once they announced they'd made enough money (to people who already spent a ton on con tickets) they started loudly signing "we are the champions" or something similar in a hotel lobby.

Len
Jan 21, 2008

Pouches, bandages, shoulderpad, cyber-eye...

Bitchin'!


pentyne posted:

When dashcon started falling apart on the first night, they passed a bag and filled it with cash to "pay the hotel" and once they announced they'd made enough money (to people who already spent a ton on con tickets) they started loudly signing "we are the champions" or something similar in a hotel lobby.

I thought it was "don't stop believing"

Edit: it was not according to Wikipedia

kaworu
Jul 23, 2004

Oh boy, I feel like I have to chime in here a bit, because I have my own stories about being a part of the MTG community when I was like 11 to 15 years old. Unlike most of you, my parents really did not give much of a poo poo where I was or what I was doing, even though they really should have... I would play M:TG at the card store until like 9 or 10 at night when they closed - sometimes later - playing with men in their 20s and 30s, mostly - I still remember some of 'em. There were plenty of teenagers too, but they were all older than me and generally meaner than the adults. I was actually pretty good, and so the other good players there kinda protected me and let me into their group, even though I was at least 10 years younger than all of them it didn't matter, because I was just as good. I honestly enjoyed being a part of the MTG community - part of it was that I won a lot, but in retrospect they really accepted me, and that's rare.

I have some pretty horrid embarrassing memories from that time period. I remember once, at a PTQ in Boston (I'd go there for entire weekends with adult men my parents barely knew and they were like "great have fun" lol) this rear end in a top hat kid from Boston - I think I beat him a few times in some money drafts that weekend and he was unreasonable angry - actually spied on me in the bathroom while I was peeing, then proceeded to talk loudly to his friends about how I didn't have any pubes. Now, I was a 13-year-old boy going on 14 when that happened, and I recall feeling horrible and embarrassed at the time in part because I did not quite "get it" completely - of course. But in retrospect, y'know, it was really the older 17-18 year old person who did that to me with the real loving issues. Probably other people realized that. Hopefully. I'm a bit more angry than embarrassed, in retrospect, of course.

kaworu fucked around with this message at 21:38 on Jun 26, 2020

pentyne
Nov 7, 2012
"Nerd" conventions have always been a problem people just didn't start addressing it until recently because of the highly visible nature of the hosed up stuff.

"Cosplay is Not Consent" didn't happen as a major thing until 2012. I remember girls in high school who said that the general rule was if you wore a remotely sexy outfit you either needed a fair sized group with you or at least one male friend because if you got caught out on your own the creeps would swarm you ,follow you around relentlessly up to following to the hotel room, and always trying to "get close for a picture" and trying to hug/make constant physical contact.

For example Alec Holowka, a famous indie dev, was a notorious predator to the point where people warned unaware women at conventions to not end up alone in a room with him for their own safety. Meanwhile he kept at his behavior because he was a recognized and highly influential member of a insular community until he was finally outed by Zoe Quinn, the original victim of gamergate and someone for who accusing a famous dev couldn't make her life any more difficult then it already was so she wasn't afraid to finally speak out.

pentyne fucked around with this message at 22:22 on Jun 26, 2020

Name Change
Oct 9, 2005


Magic is basically the reason Wizards of the Coast and gaming stores exist at this point. If there is a tradgames shop in your city it is probably running Magic events almost every night, to the point you will have a hard time using the space for anything else. A lot of stores have a bustling side business in mailing out cards for international orders, and in some cases that will mean over-eager kids getting paid in cards to sell people cards.

WotC has had recent, highly publicized problems with:

- Sexual harassment at their events https://kotaku.com/pro-removed-from-1-million-magic-tournament-accused-of-1833677670
http://epicstream.com/news/KaylaBridges/The-One-Percent

- Magic artists turning out to be creeps and/or Nazis (one particular neo-Nazi artist was well known as such for decades) https://www.resetera.com/threads/magic-the-gathering-artist-noah-bradley-admits-to-sexual-assault-after-accusations-come-out.232294/
http://oldschool-mtg.blogspot.com/2018/02/beware-of-magic-gathering-part-ii.html
https://www.dicebreaker.com/games/m...%20text%2C%20or

- The D&D publishing team working with MRAs/Nazis and doxxing their accusers for them when this came up in the community. Lead designer Mike Mearls should have lost his job over this. D&D attracts less attention than Magic because it just doesn't pull in the same kind of money.

https://www.polygon.com/2019/2/20/18232181/dungeons-dragons-zak-smith-sabbath-abuse-accusations-players-handbook

Basically, change at WotC has been a long time in coming and has still been woefully insufficient. Your average gaming store is going to have all kinds of immature and socially stunted players that you have to wade through and that's not necessarily on WotC, but when it's still occurring at the top level that's unforgivable.

nonathlon
Jul 9, 2004
And yet, somehow, now it's my fault ...
Didn't WOTC start as a fairly hobbyist, ignore-the-rules sort of company? I have a dim memory that their early leadership were poly and/or employed a lot of friends and partners.

Schwarzwald
Jul 27, 2004

Don't Blink

nonathlon posted:

Didn't WOTC start as a fairly hobbyist, ignore-the-rules sort of company? I have a dim memory that their early leadership were poly and/or employed a lot of friends and partners.

My understanding was that they were a very 90s Seattle start up with all that suggested, which stopped after they became large enough that poly leadership and nepotism were becoming a potential legal liability.

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...
https://twitter.com/louisathelast/status/1276015406671695872?s=21

https://twitter.com/milk_slut_/status/1275575505329065986?s=21

https://twitter.com/puneet_garcha/status/1276218857963880449?s=21

https://twitter.com/itreachesout/status/1275868311931293696?s=21

https://twitter.com/thenixonparente/status/1276604990908444672?s=21

https://twitter.com/hyperbali/status/1276188960423702529?s=21

https://twitter.com/ashleytroub/status/1276155104962449413?s=21

https://twitter.com/mollymcisaac/status/1276286170951909376?s=21

https://twitter.com/xangiexdx/status/1275539695989121025?s=21

https://twitter.com/ericashsays/status/1276198591372169220?s=21

Yeesh

Aces High
Mar 26, 2010

Nah! A little chocolate will do




What ended up happening with Zoe Quinn? That's a name I haven't heard in almost 5 years

Air Skwirl
May 13, 2007

Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed shitposting.

Aces High posted:

What ended up happening with Zoe Quinn? That's a name I haven't heard in almost 5 years

They made truthful statements about how men have treated them over the years and the internet acted in a totally responsible manner.

Air Skwirl fucked around with this message at 06:10 on Jun 27, 2020

Aces High
Mar 26, 2010

Nah! A little chocolate will do




I meant is there something I can read that has all of the facts straight, because I remember when it happened you couldn't read anything with her name in it without it being very gross and misogynistic and lots of other horrifying things towards her.

Pirate Jet
May 2, 2010
Off of the top of my head, Gamergate was basically formed around an accusation that they had slept with a writer on Kotaku for a positive review of their old game Depression Quest, but that writer turned out to have only mentioned the game once as an aside in an article about something else, and before they had ever met to boot.

A year or so ago they opened up about numerous sexual assaults and predatory behavior from Alec Holowka, a programmer and soundtrack composer on indie game Night in the Woods - several other women came out against him alongside them, and Alec committed suicide. They had to stay off the Internet for a few weeks after that one, understandably.

Pirate Jet fucked around with this message at 09:42 on Jun 27, 2020

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Polaron
Oct 13, 2010

The Oncoming Storm
Quinn's nonbinary, for the record.

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