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GD_American posted:I am so the gently caress over Seth MacFarlane. I am too, believe me. But...Orville isnt bad. The first few episodes have a bit of family guy bullshit, but they definitely just say "gently caress it, lets be star trek" and do it pretty well from like episode 5 on.
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The second season also has the most realistic sci-fi scenario ever when a character gets addicted to holodeck porn.
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Jun 23, 2020 02:08
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muscles like this! posted:The second season also has the most realistic sci-fi scenario ever when a character gets addicted to holodeck porn. The holodeck will absolutely 100% be society's final invention.
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Jun 23, 2020 04:54
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The treatment of holoprograms is interesting, since in a lot of ways they seemingly accidentally predicted a lot of things about video games (which of course is the best analogue for them) like a ton of the popular ones being porn, well-known children's franchises (though that might just be playing on the whole nostalgia thing which isn't new) and independent developers sharing their own programs like the not-Bond one. Seems possibly that Vic Fontaine is made to be a character aware he's in a holoprogram and okay with that, mostly as being basically in a Game Master role, but also possibly to try to head off another Moriarty or Doctor Chaotica scenario where a primary character gets too into their role when a malfunction happens. And as demonstrated, he can see holo-addiction and actually turn his program off if necessary. It seems like it'd be an especially good feature in a more action-oriented program if he was cast as the recurring antagonist who can break the 'fourth wall' if necessary. While Q's aware of the Holodeck and has had fun with it himself, seems a missed opportunity to have him stumble in while someone is making and editing their own holoprogram and find some amusing similarities to the scenarios he puts the main characters through. (My Little Pony of all things played with that, with totally-not-Q playing totally-not-Dungeons and Dragons (DMed by an actual dragon, just for irony) and having difficulty adjusting to things like having limitations and rules)
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Jun 23, 2020 06:51
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Neo Rasa posted:The holodeck will absolutely 100% be society's final invention. Based on what I've seen of Star Trek, it's also horribly unsafe to the point where no organization at all concerned with health and safety would allow one.
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Jun 23, 2020 11:30
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if I remember right any idiot can just turn the safeties off while the computer asks "are you sure you want to do that?" in a polite-but-slightly-hopeful voice
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Jun 23, 2020 18:21
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I think it makes a lot of sense to consider A: the Enterprise's holodeck is a bleeding-edge model and most of the main cast are the bridge crew with admin status, and 2: said cast are also power users or at least the equivalent of PC gaming goons who'll use mods and gently caress around with overclocking no matter how many times the computer explodes.
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Jun 23, 2020 18:25
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blatman posted:if I remember right any idiot can just turn the safeties off while the computer asks "are you sure you want to do that?" in a polite-but-slightly-hopeful voice It takes two senior officers to turn off the safety limits, or the space whammy of the week  Ghost Leviathan posted:I think it makes a lot of sense to consider A: the Enterprise's holodeck is a bleeding-edge model and most of the main cast are the bridge crew with admin status, and 2: said cast are also power users or at least the equivalent of PC gaming goons who'll use mods and gently caress around with overclocking no matter how many times the computer explodes. Yeah, it's kinda like the transporter where there must be millions of safe uses of it every day but because our crew are out on the frontier getting themselves into trouble all the time they keep running into the unforeseen edge cases that make portals to evil universes and such. McSpanky fucked around with this message at 19:02 on Jun 23, 2020 |
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Jun 23, 2020 19:00
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Neo Rasa posted:The holodeck will absolutely 100% be society's final invention. I remember a early 2000's young adult series called Pendragon where this literally caused the collapse of one of the civilizations he visited because everyone was plugged into VR and everyone outside either was a burnt out because systems were falling apart because lo & behold no one wants to be VR troubleshooter when you can just be in VR and if I remember this planet is his first loss. Another world he visits is actually this planet in the future after VR fails and civilization has collapsed outside a few luddite enclaves.
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Jun 23, 2020 20:36
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Groke posted:Based on what I've seen of Star Trek, it's also horribly unsafe to the point where no organization at all concerned with health and safety would allow one. Most of the engineering on a starship seems to be setup such that every critical system must continue working or it causes an immediately chain of failure in other systems. Star Fleet engineers have never heard of things like redundancy or isolation and without various systems in constant working order the whole thing will literally explode.
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:Most of the engineering on a starship seems to be setup such that every critical system must continue working or it causes an immediately chain of failure in other systems. Star Fleet engineers have never heard of things like redundancy or isolation and without various systems in constant working order the whole thing will literally explode. theres an episode of ds9 where a cardassian scientist is mad that some power relays throughput has been reduced to put in a secondary backup and obrien is like "i dunno, i wouldnt want to be there when the backup fails and you dont have a secondary backup" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaPkSU8DNfY
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Jun 24, 2020 00:04
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 What the gently caress good was this thing for anyways
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Just realised how tiny the screen part of that is, and it's sunken, that must be worse than a first gen computer watch. Though that's exactly what 90s form factors were like. Remember personal organisers?
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It's a triplecorder, it cords thricely.
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Verviticus posted:theres an episode of ds9 where a cardassian scientist is mad that some power relays throughput has been reduced to put in a secondary backup and obrien is like "i dunno, i wouldnt want to be there when the backup fails and you dont have a secondary backup" This always struck me as missing something incredibly obvious - in Star Trek one of the most likely causes of equipment failure is intentional damage. If someone is trying to gently caress up your poo poo, whether by sabotage or weapons fire, it pays off to make it as difficult as possible to actually take a system offline. You'd think a society as militaristic as the Cardassians would get that.
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Jun 25, 2020 15:21
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Self sealing stembolts. Garbage. Worthless garbage. Not technology per se but the idea that the whole universe somehow shares a day/night division. Night shifts on a space ship, people communicating across lightyears and apologizing for "calling in the middle of the night", that sort of thing.
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Jun 25, 2020 19:08
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Meatgrinder posted:Self sealing stembolts. Garbage. Worthless garbage. On a spaceship it would make perfect sense to have day/night shifts when crewed by species with circadian rhythms. That it's shared everywhere is silly though.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:On a spaceship it would make perfect sense to have day/night shifts when crewed by species with circadian rhythms. That it's shared everywhere is silly though. I mean, they have inter-stellar FTL comms, you don't think they have a way of knowing what time it is where they're calling vs where they are so they can make note when the call is inconvenient due to time change? We have that tech NOW.
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Reminded how it comes up every now and again in DS9 that the station runs on Bajoran time, which has 26 hour days.
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Sanguinia posted:I mean, they have inter-stellar FTL comms, you don't think they have a way of knowing what time it is where they're calling vs where they are so they can make note when the call is inconvenient due to time change? We have that tech NOW. I think the unrealistic part is people apologizing for calling in the middle of the night? 
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Reminded how it comes up every now and again in DS9 that the station runs on Bajoran time, which has 26 hour days. Loved this detail, especially the way Brooks put that lilt in his voice whenever he said "twenty-six hours a day". What a smoky honey-cured ham 
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Schadenboner posted:I think the unrealistic part is people apologizing for calling in the middle of the night? one does not casually interrupt the circadian rhythm of a superior
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Statutory Ape posted:one does not casually interrupt the circadian rhythm of a superior I am altering the sleep patterns. Pray I don't alter it any further.
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Schadenboner posted:I think the unrealistic part is people apologizing for calling in the middle of the night? Remember when Dukat called Kira at 3am to tell her he banged her mom
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Jun 26, 2020 15:39
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Remember when Dukat called Kira at 3am to tell her he banged her mom Goddamnit, I've got to get my DS9 re-watch back on track.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Remember when Dukat called Kira at 3am to tell her he banged her mom did he apologize for the houir lmao he probably did and meant it
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Schadenboner posted:I think the unrealistic part is people apologizing for calling in the middle of the night? How so? If you have to call someone and it's currently 2am on their planet, of course you'd apologise.
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Taintrunner posted:
the toy version had three buttons and they each made a different scanning sound effect but it didn't have a spring in the hinge, so you couldn't do the Mr. Tricorder thing data does in generations a massive disappointment
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Animal-Mother posted:a massive disappointment don't sign your posts
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Ghost Leviathan posted:The treatment of holoprograms is interesting, since in a lot of ways they seemingly accidentally predicted a lot of things about video games (which of course is the best analogue for them) Bizarrely if you've seen the first TOS Pilot, then you've seen a plot where a species of hyper-intelligent aliens destroy their civilization because everybody gets addicted to World of Warcraft
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Remember when Dukat called Kira at 3am to tell her he banged her mom If we're talking about DS9 and garbage tech - do those Cardassian emergency contingency system recordings count? On the one hand, they are just a dumb program that when triggered might very well do something catastrophic, like kill everyone on the station. On the other hand, Dukat must have spent hours alone, in his office, recording, getting angry...
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Nebakenezzer posted:If we're talking about DS9 and garbage tech - do those Cardassian emergency contingency system recordings count? On the one hand, they are just a dumb program that when triggered might very well do something catastrophic, like kill everyone on the station. On the other hand, Dukat must have spent hours alone, in his office, recording, getting angry... Definitely getting coked up. Also, everyone loves that episode, it's the closest thing Star Trek gets to a Paranoia session.
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ATTENTION BAJORAN WORKERS
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Sanguinia posted:I mean, they have inter-stellar FTL comms, you don't think they have a way of knowing what time it is where they're calling vs where they are so they can make note when the call is inconvenient due to time change? We have that tech NOW. It's called Swatch Internet Time and it's the future, now.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hovFbHt3L3w
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The "one weird scanner trick" thing (like hiding in the Star Destroyer's trash or whatever) that every goddamn series uses at some point to write their way out of a bind never made any goddamn sense.
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Schadenboner posted:The "one weird scanner trick" thing (like hiding in the Star Destroyer's trash or whatever) that every goddamn series uses at some point to write their way out of a bind never made any goddamn sense. i found this post floating in space
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Schadenboner posted:The "one weird scanner trick" thing (like hiding in the Star Destroyer's trash or whatever) that every goddamn series uses at some point to write their way out of a bind never made any goddamn sense. TBF most of that comes from scifi written by WWII/Cold War vets, when various sensory technologies were in their infancy and "weird tricks" like flying at the sun to fool homing missiles were totally a thing.
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Why would the computer allow a person who's registered onboard as a prisoner to voice-command the ship?
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McSpanky posted:TBF most of that comes from scifi written by WWII/Cold War vets, when various sensory technologies were in their infancy and "weird tricks" like flying at the sun to fool homing missiles were totally a thing. Was gonna say there's a million real world analogies, and Star Wars is VERY WW2. Reminded how apparently in the books, because the Millennium Falcon is such a tricked-out mess that's constantly being rebuilt and repaired, the Empire has three completely different sensor profiles for it over just a few years, which the rebels use to their advantage to lure them.
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I really really liked early Star Wars where Han Solo was just a dirtbag with a ship that was p.deece but that fundamentally amounted to one of the hot rods in American Graffiti and the gift of gab. No, parsec didn't need to be re-defined as a measure of time you loving assholes, he was just fleecing a rube. No every road in the galaxy didn't need to somehow run through Mos Eisley.
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