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brugroffil posted:west Texas is a huge loving area, though yeah dumb typo, oops
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dex_sda posted:how do you not have a hospital for what must be dozens or even hundreds of miles 
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FAUXTON posted:
Honestly very surprised we're already seeing states putting restrictions back in place. I didn't think we'd see any states actually do that. https://twitter.com/CNBCnow/status/1276515725159665664 Gives me hope that Illinois will move back to Phase 3 in a few weeks after it becomes too obvious to deny that we rushed to Phase 4 despite not meeting the requirements we set out at the start.
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dex_sda posted:how do you not have a hospital for what must be dozens or even hundreds of miles west texas has counties the size of rhode island with a population of 30 e: hm apparently im wrong and loving county has grown from 60 people to over 100 now, but still yeah Sheng-Ji Yang has issued a correction as of 15:09 on Jun 26, 2020 |
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Flesh Forge posted:yeah dumb typo, oops oh I figured you meant west instead of east, but all of that space west of San Antonio to El Paso is larger than most states east of the Mississippi and is empty as gently caress.
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brugroffil posted:Honestly very surprised we're already seeing states putting restrictions back in place. I didn't think we'd see any states actually do that. There's no other choice. The real option here isn't between opening the economy up and locking down, it's between having a restricted but semi-functional economy and non-existent one. If the news is full of reports that hospitals are overflowing and people are dying, then people won't just stop going to bars and restaurants. They'll stop going shopping or leaving the house at all. The true gently caress-up here is the total loss of confidence this is going to cause. You really need people to trust state officials when they give the all-clear if you ever want things to go back to normal.
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Flesh Forge posted:NB: most of rural Texas doesn't have any ICU capacity in the first place, some of it has no hospitals period One thing to note, the vast majority of the grey counties are places where no one lives. Oldham County in the Texas panhandle, for example, has 2k people and a population density of 1.4 persons per square mile. There simply aren't enough people there to justify a full on hospital. e:f;b: Sheng-Ji Yang posted:west texas has counties the size of rhode island with a population of 30 yup
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Paradoxish posted:There's no other choice. The real option here isn't between opening the economy up and locking down, it's between having a restricted but semi-functional economy and non-existent one. If the news is full of reports that hospitals are overflowing and people are dying, then people won't just stop going to bars and restaurants. They'll stop going shopping or leaving the house at all. I figured every governor would just say "WE'RE OPEN FOR BUSINESS" and a bunch of bullshit about "trusting responsible adults to make the right choices for themselves"
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brugroffil posted:Honestly very surprised we're already seeing states putting restrictions back in place. I didn't think we'd see any states actually do that. What requirements did Illinois miss?
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lmao can't wait til people not only can't access the comforts of modern society but are also jobless and the 'rona unemployment checks stop rolling in Gonna be a very chill time
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So is this the mythical second wave or is this just the first wave fighting back for attention because we ignored it
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mastershakeman posted:What requirements did Illinois miss? where the gently caress is our contact tracing? we're also at 600-800 new cases every single day and trending back up don't give a poo poo about low positivity rates if the total number of new cases is still high and we have no means of containing outbreaks.
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brugroffil posted:where the gently caress is our contact tracing? We announced we would hire contact tracing by labor day! It definitely won't be a do nothing job for connected people's cousins!
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C-SPAN Caller posted:So is this the mythical second wave or is this just the first wave fighting back for attention because we ignored it First wave is over in the places that got hit really hard in March/April, I think. This is now high endemic levels throughout the country and growing with resurgence in some places like CA that had tamped it down initially. Really just semantics though.
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C-SPAN Caller posted:So is this the mythical second wave or is this just the first wave fighting back for attention because we ignored it i think its best described as the first wave in most of the country because quarantine was put in before it really happened, and now its actually here. really the only place that legit had a first wave was NY and NJ and louisiana
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Mr. Nice! posted:One thing to note, the vast majority of the grey counties are places where no one lives. Oldham County in the Texas panhandle, for example, has 2k people and a population density of 1.4 persons per square mile. There simply aren't enough people there to justify a full on hospital. completely fair, and even if they're not empty they're at lower risk overall due to lower pop density. incidentally the state publishes some information on ICU capacity, current and total, no idea how trustworthy it is tho https://gov.texas.gov/uploads/files/press/PPT_6.16.20.pdf e:  Flesh Forge has issued a correction as of 15:17 on Jun 26, 2020 |
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mastershakeman posted:We announced we would hire contact tracing by labor day! It definitely won't be a do nothing job for connected people's cousins! Exactly. This poo poo was supposed to be a requirement for moving to Phase 4. Something like being able to trace 90% of contacts within 72 hours. Instead we can trace 0% of contacts because there's no actual system in place. It's entirely reliant on people who test positive informing people they may have been in contact with if they can figure it out and feel like it. I have no idea why nobody anywhere is pressing the Gov/IDPH on completely ignoring this self-imposed requirement which is pretty loving important.
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mastershakeman posted:We announced we would hire contact tracing by labor day! It definitely won't be a do nothing job for connected people's cousins! I thought every CVS, Walmart, and Target would have instant COVID testing by April!
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C-SPAN Caller posted:So is this the mythical second wave or is this just the first wave fighting back for attention because we ignored it The first wave never stopped. The obvious dumb thing happened, which is that New York and NJ's case growth slowed because of strict measures and at the time that represented the majority of cases so people were duped into thinking the virus had passed everywhere. This was obvious to every person at the time in C-SPAM and was the outward facing justification for opening up.
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C-SPAN Caller posted:So is this the mythical second wave or is this just the first wave fighting back for attention because we ignored it Idk Nationally it’s probably more like the second wave, wherein non metro areas/lovely metro areas see a spike up because they loosened up too fast. All this really means is that the Fall/Winter wave will be a third wave wherein everyone deals with having to be cooped up indoors with recirculating air and schools open back up. I guess that means Spring/Summer ‘21 is the first chance of not existential dread, so buckle up
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Penisaurus Sex posted:The first wave never stopped. Yeah, it sorta plateau'd for a bit, and now it's back to going up up up!
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Crazyweasel posted:I guess that means Spring/Summer ‘21 is the first chance of not existential dread, so buckle up Yeah, I figure I'll be a weird loner until at least the fall of 21
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brugroffil posted:I figured every governor would just say "WE'RE OPEN FOR BUSINESS" and a bunch of bullshit about "trusting responsible adults to make the right choices for themselves" Even idiots like Abbot can see what's happening in states that are spiking. Workers at Disney are already starting to demand that the July 11th reopening be delayed, and there's a non-zero chance that Disney ends up caving since they've already postponed Disneyland's reopening. You really can't force things to reopen in a situation like this, which is something that even the dumbest governors are going to figure out sooner or later. People will just stay home and businesses will shut down so they can furlough their employees.
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Penisaurus Sex posted:The first wave never stopped. You take a graph of US cases with New York / New Jersey excluded and the trendline has been upward without any real drops since the start lol
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the reason Illinois and others are rushing to whatever phase allows them to open schools is because they know we can't even pretend to have a functional economy come August/September if nobody knows what to do with their kids 
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Paradoxish posted:There's no other choice. The real option here isn't between opening the economy up and locking down, it's between having a restricted but semi-functional economy and non-existent one. If the news is full of reports that hospitals are overflowing and people are dying, then people won't just stop going to bars and restaurants. They'll stop going shopping or leaving the house at all.
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Paradoxish posted:Even idiots like Abbot can see what's happening in states that are spiking. Workers at Disney are already starting to demand that the July 11th reopening be delayed, and there's a non-zero chance that Disney ends up caving since they've already postponed Disneyland's reopening. They already realized this, I think. Every decision made since late March in the US has been a hail Mary that the virus isn't actually all that bad/will be gone by Summer/will die in heat/will be obviated by a miracle vaccine/etc. This is because there is no adequate response to this within the ideological bounds of capitalism and neoliberalism. There will be no solution to this crisis until our government reforms or we have a revolution of some kind.
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well not to worry, the Supreme Court is gonna strike down the ACA pre-existing conditions clauses just in time
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Paradoxish posted:There's no other choice. The real option here isn't between opening the economy up and locking down, it's between having a restricted but semi-functional economy and non-existent one. If the news is full of reports that hospitals are overflowing and people are dying, then people won't just stop going to bars and restaurants. They'll stop going shopping or leaving the house at all. just stop reporting about the mass death. bing bong so simple
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Flesh Forge posted:well not to worry, the Supreme Court is gonna strike down the ACA pre-existing conditions clauses just in time Gonna be real cool when 200-280 million Americans cannot have access to healthcare for the rest of their lives because of covid19. That'll work out great, I'm sure.
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lol I never would have guessed Texas would be the first to say whoopsiedoodle
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this is interesting. american media is saying covid toes not likely covid, because antigen tests are negative, and then this spanish paper comes out the same day: https://www.aa.com.tr/en/europe/spanish-researchers-isolate-coronavirus-in-covid-toes/1890247 Spanish researchers isolate coronavirus in 'COVID toes' Scientists detect virus on swollen toes of pediatric patients who tested negative for disease "In this study, all seven patients, aged 11-17, whose skin was analyzed, tested negative for COVID-19 in a PCR test. The researchers later detected viral particles within the inner layer of the blood vessels found in their skin samples." My toe is still pink 3 months later...not normal.
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Penisaurus Sex posted:They already realized this, I think. a huge portion of this is caused directly by trump's mental illness, he demands that everybody accept his delusions are true, and the rest of the GOP is like "ok you're the boss"
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Flesh Forge posted:well not to worry, the Supreme Court is gonna strike down the ACA pre-existing conditions clauses just in time oh cool so the ground glass in my lungs will end up killing me after all!
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C-SPAN Caller posted:So is this the mythical second wave or is this just the first wave fighting back for attention because we ignored it america shouted 'za warudo', paused the first wave, then did virtually nothing in paused time and now the wave can resume
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BeefThief posted:We could have tested everybody coming into the country starting in February 
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fosborb posted:lol I never would have guessed Texas would be the first to say whoopsiedoodle what do u mean they';re gonna reopen the stadiums!!!11   https://twitter.com/TexasTribune/status/1276291108000194560?s=20
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Flesh Forge posted:a huge portion of this is caused directly by trump's mental illness, he demands that everybody accept his delusions are true, and the rest of the GOP is like "ok you're the boss" Replace Trump with Obama and the response to this is materially the same. The adequate response to this is shutting down the US economy for 2 months, direct cash transfers to people, nationalizing key industries, commodity boards, a national eviction and rent moratorium, etc. None of that gets done by Obama, it doesn't get done by Clinton (either of them), it doesn't get done by Bernie. Obama would've given some nice somber speeches, but that's about it.
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